#ruby on 2018-02-28 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:14 <havenwood> Sammitch: When something has already been required it returns `false`.

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00:16 <Sammitch> havenwood: yes that does seem to be the case. =_=;

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00:32 <rapha> hi!

00:32 <havenwood> rapha: hi!

00:32 <rapha> is there any way to make something like '"x#{3.times {"a"}}y"' output "xaaay" instead of "x3y"?

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00:33 <havenwood> rapha: Consider the following:

00:33 <lupine> 3.times.map { "a" } returns ["a", "a", "a"]

00:33 <havenwood> >> 3.times { 'a' }

00:33 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => 3 (https://eval.in/963909)

00:33 <lupine> it's abit weird though

00:33 <havenwood> >> 3.times.map { 'a' }

00:33 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => ["a", "a", "a"] (https://eval.in/963910)

00:33 <rapha> hmm

00:34 <rapha> i had a hunch map() would be involved

00:34 * rapha hates map(), it's like magic

00:34 <havenwood> rapha: There's no magic. It's worth learning.

00:34 <havenwood> rapha: There are also many other ways to get three A's.

00:34 <rapha> easier said than done

00:35 <havenwood> >> 'a' * 3

00:35 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => "aaa" (https://eval.in/963913)

00:35 <rapha> is it possible that it's name is misleading? or that my understanding of the english word "map" ("to map" in the sense of "to map something onto something"?) is erroneous?

00:35 <havenwood> >> "x#{'a' * 3}rapha"

00:35 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => "xaaarapha" (https://eval.in/963914)

00:36 <rapha> well, the 'a'*3 thing at least is easy to understand and intuitive :)

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00:36 <havenwood> rapha: In Ruby we have #map (from Lisp) and the lesser-used #collect alias (from Smalltalk).

00:36 <mistym> havenwood: Oh, that's what the etymology is! I'd wondered.

00:36 <havenwood> rapha: Most modern language (ahem, Go >.>) have adopted map.

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00:37 <rapha> hmm

00:37 <havenwood> rapha: The Lispy terms have won. Similarly #inject is from Smalltalk and #reduce is from Lisp.

00:37 <rapha> interesting, i didn't realize programming languages were that much like real languages

00:37 <havenwood> rapha: We map/reduce instead of collect/inject ;-).

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00:38 <lupine> if you don't give `times` a block, it returns an Enumerator

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00:38 <havenwood> mistym: Most of the Smalltalk terms seem to be disappearing.

00:38 <lupine> that's the only magic worth mentioning

00:38 <mistym> havenwood: :'(

00:38 <talntid> I have an app that was written in ruby.. it's a webapp with Sinatra/Mongo ... it was working perfect until yesterday, where it just stopped working, and started complaining that gems were missing... I reinstalled the gems, and now I get errors that I suspect are from gem versions being off.... anyone want to fix it today? or help me fix it? It mostly works, but there are some small issues right

00:38 <talntid> now. I'd be willing to pay for your time.

00:38 <havenwood> Ruby is the Smalltalk that won. :-O

00:38 <lupine> lol

00:38 <rapha> i wonder what'll happen if i /join #smalltalk and declare "ruby is t he smalltalk that won"

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00:39 <havenwood> talntid: Prefix your command with `bundle exec`. Donate what you'd have paid me to the EFF. ;-)

00:39 <havenwood> rapha: Good luck!!

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00:39 <havenwood> rapha: And please don't quote me, hahaha.

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00:39 <lupine> I learned about wolf pack programming from a smalltalk veteran

00:39 <rapha> (will they send me to /join #go-lang to learn that "go is the ruby that won"?)

00:39 <lupine> worthy of respect innit

00:39 <havenwood> rapha: Matz does like Go.

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00:40 <talntid> havenwood, i had tried that earlier today. threw a bunch of errors about versions, so I manually installed all the gems in the gemfile, and the app works, but basically a few things are wonky...

00:41 <havenwood> talntid: Same Ruby version as before?

00:41 <rapha> seriously? "[wolf pack programming] depends on a shared (web-based) editor that several developers use at once to develop code for the same tasks"? i'd go crazy!

00:41 <talntid> negative. I upgraded ruby version afterwards in an attempt to get it working.

00:42 <havenwood> talntid: I'm curious if `bundle exec` would have sufficed and the Ruby upgrade is the cause of the new compatibility issues. I suppose it's nice to fix those issues and get on the shiny new Ruby.

00:42 <talntid> it started by saying thin wasn't available, so i did bundler install, and it said that eventmachine wasn't compatible with version of ruby, so i upgraded ruby, and then it said that mongo's "wire line" was version 0, but needed to be version 2, so i upgraded mongo, and now the app works, but.... when it returns ids, it is returning them as objects instead of stringsd

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00:43 <havenwood> talntid: Can you just .to_s the objects or something else is awry? I don't follow Mongo close enough to know what might have gone wrong in the version bump.

00:43 <talntid> so I did this: https://github.com/nesquena/rabl/issues/337

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00:44 <talntid> and now the app loads and everything, but... when i click something that used to work:

00:44 <talntid> https://puu.sh/zx9Ou/dfcbfd6a7c.png

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00:45 <talntid> so basically, i assume the view is trying to show info on an "appointment" object, that it can't find, because ruby is looking for appointment(id) where id is an object instead of a string

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01:03 <arahael> Where is the documentation for writing files?

01:04 <arahael> I'm looking at: https://ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.4/File.html <-- However, it appears that the 'write' method is not documented there.

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01:06 <havenwood> &ri IO.write

01:06 <_derpy> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.4.1/IO.html#method-c-write

01:06 <havenwood> arahael: ^

01:06 <havenwood> arahael: You can ask Ruby where the method comes from, by the way!

01:06 <havenwood> >> File.method(:write).owner

01:06 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => #<Class:IO> (https://eval.in/963941)

01:06 <arahael> havenwood: Hmm, what I was really after, was how to figure that out for myself. How should I know that it's part of IO.write?

01:06 <arahael> Ah, you read my mind.

01:06 <havenwood> >> File.method(:write).source_location

01:06 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => nil (https://eval.in/963942)

01:07 <havenwood> (C methods don't show source location yet, unfortunately.)

01:07 <arahael> It will do - thans.

01:07 <arahael> *thanks

01:07 <havenwood> arahael: you're welcome, happy coding!

01:07 <arahael> np

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02:22 <weaksauce> possible to read binary data from stdin?

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02:24 <weaksauce> i guess so using unpack if stdin is just an io data

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02:34 <Radar> weaksauce: cat binaryfile | ruby program.rb

02:34 <Radar> I guess it'd be the same?

02:35 <weaksauce> Radar i actually meant from ruby not how to pipe binary

02:35 <Radar> ah ok

02:35 <weaksauce> just use read(somenumberofbytes).unpack(whatever_the_correct_unpack_string_is)

02:35 <weaksauce> ?

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02:37 <Radar> Yeah I think so. Been a while since I've done that.

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02:57 <talntid> ruby returning stuff to me like ["value"], i expected a string of "value" instead. ideas?

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02:57 <Radar> ?code

02:57 <ruby[bot]> We can't help you without your code, please post it to https://gist.github.com

02:58 <talntid> whats the best way to post code from many pages?

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04:52 <havenwood> ?gist talntid

04:52 <ruby[bot]> talntid: https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited

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05:04 <Vashy> anyone know how I can check if something is installed from a ruby script? e.g. if I want to write a script that checks to see if postgres is installed

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05:04 <Vashy> I want to write a script that will help me set up projects easily, so it will do some set up like check if postgres is installed, create a rails app, set the db credentials properly, etc

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05:05 <Vashy> my machines are running ubuntu and macos so I'll have terminal commands to work with

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05:32 <havenwood> Vashy: Chef or Puppet do those sorts of things.

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05:35 <Vashy> ok I'll read into those tools

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08:02 <terens> If you used version.match(/^\d\.\d\.\d/) would you change it with Gem::Version.corrent?(data) ?

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09:34 <Matt2843> hey =) any good gems for getting my current longitude / latitude location?

09:35 <Matt2843> or services in general

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10:23 <morfin60> hello

10:24 <morfin60> any clue why can connection reset by peer happen in Net::HTTP with this message: "Internal Server Error: Connection reset by peer <internal:prelude>:78:in `__read_nonblock'"?

10:24 <morfin60> i perform first request using Faraday and then performing second and get this error

10:25 <trautwein> Matt2843: http://www.rubygeocoder.com/ might be what you're looking for

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10:25 <Bish> if i want to cache a function that does HugeString ⇒ EvenMoreHugeBinaryData

10:25 <Bish> would i use a hash function to index HugeString?

10:26 <Bish> (both are in kB) region, and i want to cache a function

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10:33 <morfin60> weird

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10:41 <dminuoso> Bish: Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = expensive_computation[k] }

10:41 <dminuoso> Bish: As a poor mans memoization solution.

10:43 <dminuoso> Bish: Note that this does not offer cache eviction though.

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10:48 <dminuoso> >> ex = -> e { e * 1000 }; memoized_ex = Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = ex[k] }; a = memoized_ex[100]; p memoized_ex

10:48 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => {100=>100000} ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964264)

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10:49 <dminuoso> >> memoize -> f { Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = f[k] } }; expensive = -> e { e * 2000 }; cheap = memoize[expensive]; cheap[1000]; cheap[1000]; cheap[1000]

10:49 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => undefined method `memoize' for main:Object (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964269)

10:50 <dminuoso> >> memoize = -> f { Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = f[k] } }; expensive = -> e { e * 2000 }; cheap = memoize[expensive]; cheap[1000]; cheap[1000]; cheap[1000]

10:50 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => 2000000 (https://eval.in/964270)

10:50 <dminuoso> Bish: ^-

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10:52 <Bish> dminuoso: yeah but "k" is pretty bug

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10:52 <Bish> like a 10k String

10:52 <Bish> and i want to cache it, should i make a hash out of it?

10:52 <Bish> like.. i dunno md5

10:53 <dminuoso> Bish: md5 is fairly expensive to calculate.

10:53 <dminuoso> Bish: Also Hash does exactly that.

10:53 <dminuoso> Bish: Hash is basically a hash table

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10:54 <dminuoso> Bish: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/hash.c#L849-L857

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11:33 <thedotre> would you be interested on the srcy programming language? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ROir4bfmSOdV0vQrSMHKcyjnenYGjfnX

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12:05 <dminuoso> baweaver: https://eval.in/964387

12:06 <dminuoso> I actually wrote it because I dont know how else to tell a caller about problems..

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12:07 <dminuoso> I mean the canonical way would be to throw an exception (which incidentally models the same thing) - but the entire code path in between catching and throwing is unaware of this.

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12:09 <dminuoso> If I extend this with bind, it allows me to securely transport error conditions while _forcing_ callers to deal with them

12:10 <dminuoso> How else does one do this in Ruby?

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12:24 <Bish> dminuoso: i figured, thanks

12:24 <Bish> so ruby does use the .hash method on values

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12:35 <darix> Everytime i talk to my perl devs here, I am happy to be a ruby dev.

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12:36 <zmo> hi o/

12:37 <zmo> little question : I got a function from an external module (https://github.com/utsavkesharwani/hypertrack-ruby/blob/master/lib/hypertrack/api_operations/common/nearby.rb) which I want to modify (and ultimately offer a PR), but for the sake of experimenting my changes before submitting a PR, I'd like to monkey patch that method with one of my own from my own code

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12:38 <zmo> basically, replacing that method in that module with one I write in the context of where I use it

12:38 <apeiros> zmo: all you have to do is load your code after theirs

12:38 <zmo> I've seen many methods of monkey patching in ruby which offer a wild variety of monkey patching, but how can I replace a Module's method with another one, binding that method to its context ?

12:38 <apeiros> last definition wins

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12:39 <apeiros> also we barely have any functions in ruby. it's mostly all methods.

12:39 <zmo> so I just add on top of my own module a module X / module Y / module Z / module T / def foobar end / end / end / end, and X::Y::Z::T.foobar will be replaced ?

12:39 <apeiros> and `result = []; something.each do; result.push(x); end; result` is better done by: `result = something.map { x }`

12:40 <apeiros> yes @ replaced. but as said, make sure you load their code first.

12:40 <zmo> of course, I'm doing rails, so I feel like the entire world is loaded before my code runs anyway :)

12:41 <apeiros> you're wrong then. especially in dev mode in rails. a lot of things are lazy loaded there.

12:41 <zmo> ah ok

12:41 <zmo> I'm struggling with knowing what's in the env at any moment in rails

12:41 <apeiros> and you can break lazy loading with the kind of code above.

12:41 <zmo> (it's actually killing me)

12:42 <apeiros> yeah, the way they implemented lazy loading is IMO terrible.

12:42 <zmo> well, it's still only an experiment

12:42 <zmo> if I get it right, I'll submit a PR anyway

12:42 <zmo> and I'll point the gem to my fork

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12:43 <apeiros> alternatively, instead of monkey patching: clone the repo. edit the method there. change your gemfile to use your local gem version (see `path` option in Gemfile config spec)

12:44 <zmo> yup, but I'm running in docker-compose, and it's more painful to shut it down, rebuild, re-up etc. just for a gem change

12:45 <apeiros> well, you choose your pains ;-p

12:45 <zmo> (and actually doing it again if my guess is wrong)

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12:45 <zmo> with monkey patching, I'd only do it once

12:45 <zmo> thanks again :)

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13:30 <Bish> what's a good lib to scale pngs?

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13:32 <dminuoso> Bish: magick?

13:32 <dminuoso> that is rmagick

13:32 <Bish> i don't know, i'd like no C stuff

13:33 <dminuoso> Bish: It's a ruby wrapper around limagic

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13:33 <dminuoso> *libmagick

13:33 <dminuoso> Bish: alternatively you can use minimagick.

13:33 <apeiros> imagescience, oilypng and chunkypng (not sure which of those are still maintained)

13:34 <stormpack> probably ChunkyPNG can deal with that

13:34 <apeiros> rmagick is annoying in several regards. often causes trouble. still can't use imagemagick 7 :<

13:34 <Bish> chunkypng looks good

13:34 <dminuoso> chunkpng is raw access to png itself

13:35 <dminuoso> apeiros: Ah yeah. I used minimagick at the end, but that was annoying for other reasons.

13:35 <dminuoso> Things that invoke command line tools tend to be brittle.

13:35 <Bish> but it doesn't seam to be able

13:35 <Bish> to scale

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13:36 <tbuehlmann> http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/#scale :D

13:37 <dminuoso> tbuehlmann: think he was talking about chunkpng ;)

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13:38 <apeiros> https://github.com/seattlerb/image_science does not look maintained :<

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13:40 <Bish> i don't want to install so much software, rahhh

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13:40 <Bish> *codes scaling himself*

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13:41 <stormpack> Bish, there is a resize method. not sure it does what you want though

13:41 <ccooke> Chunkypng isn't bad. Although admittedly I've only used to to write a terminal png viewer

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13:42 <Bish> stormpack: in chunkypng?

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13:43 <dminuoso> Bish: https://gist.github.com/jeffkreeftmeijer/951528

13:43 <dminuoso> 7 year old gists, ondocumented API

13:44 <Bish> "api"

13:44 <Bish> dminuoso: thanks, as usual!

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13:52 <stormpack> Bish, resample_nearest_neighbor resample_bilinear

13:52 <breakfast1> hello

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13:53 <breakfast1> so adding instance methods in a class adds up methods to all instances

13:54 <breakfast1> while adding them in a metaclass adds them up to a single instance

13:54 <breakfast1> I can't seem to really understand what metaclasses are for

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13:56 <phaul> ruby uses metaclasses to emulate java / c++ static ie class methods

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13:57 <phaul> breakfast1: ^^

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13:57 <breakfast1> the problem is i never used java nor cpp

13:58 <breakfast1> but thanks for replying

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14:00 <phaul> breakfast1: ok, sorry. so that example is when the method does not operate / belong to any induvidual object but belongs to the class itself. for instance Array.new . .new is not called on any array object but the class itself.

14:00 <apeiros> breakfast1: examples: Date.civil(year, month, day), Date.commercial(year, week, day_of_week), Date.ordinal(year, day_of_year)

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14:01 <apeiros> those are 3 methods which are in Date's metaclass and provide convenience constructors (wrappers around new)

14:01 <Bish> oh there it is

14:01 <Bish> didn't see that

14:01 <apeiros> phaul: though .new is not in the metaclass. it's the instance method from Class (usually)

14:01 <Bish> stormpack:thanks

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14:03 <breakfast1> okay thanks

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14:03 <phaul> apeiros: I thought that was the case I wanted to give the method that list all symbols allocated in the Symbol metaclass (if there is one) but could 't remember the name

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14:04 <apeiros> all_symbols?

14:04 <phaul> probably :)

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14:04 <apeiros> :D

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14:06 <Bish> does

14:06 <Bish> h[k] ||= SomeExpensiveCalculation work?

14:07 <Bish> so that this expression yields h[k] if it's set and SomeExpensiveCalculation if it isnt?

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14:07 <apeiros> yes

14:08 <apeiros> `h[k] ||= expr` expands to `h[k] || h[k] = expr`, with || shortcutting as usual

14:08 <Bish> makes sense

14:08 <Bish> but not really

14:08 <Bish> since

14:08 <Bish> if i do

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14:08 <Bish> x += 1

14:08 <apeiros> it's slightly unexpected since other <op>= have a different expansion

14:08 <Bish> it doesexpand to x = x + 1

14:08 <apeiros> &&= and ||= are the odd-ones

14:08 <Bish> okay, thanks

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14:09 <apeiros> everything expands the same as +=, i.e. `a <op>= b` expands to `a = a <op> b`

14:09 <apeiros> everything *else* :)

14:09 <Bish> it's like irregulars in german language

14:10 <Bish> it's pretty simple, except for: <insert 1 million things>

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14:11 <apeiros> calling irregular things in german language irregular evokes the patently wrong idea that anything in german was regular to begin with…

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14:12 <apeiros> use lojban if you want a language which at least tries to have sensible rules :D

14:12 <Bish> when i tried to learn japanese, it was really cool to see it's design

14:12 <Bish> but then i came to counting thigns, man that shit is funny

14:13 <Bish> you have different "numbers" for things that are: flat, books, can jump, are flying

14:13 <Bish> and some others

14:13 <Bish> and insects that jump.. will get counted like flying things

14:13 <Bish> which is very logical, ofcourse

14:14 <Bish> and i think bunnies count as flying to, because they jump so efficiently, but don't quote me on that

14:14 <Burgestrand> Now I'm curious, how would you count a made-up being?

14:14 <Bish> Burgestrand: there is some "neutral" counting-strategy, which you use for all otehrs

14:14 <Burgestrand> Ah, a fallback

14:14 <Bish> which is mostly this well known ichi, ni, san, chi

14:14 <Burgestrand> Aye

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14:15 <Burgestrand> I recently came back from the land of ninja katana samurai, and was surprised when my friend ordered fudatsu bieru as opposed to ni bieru…

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14:16 <Bish> yeah that country is funny

14:16 <Burgestrand> Then again, to be fair, danes count kinda weird too…

14:16 <Bish> especially funny fact is.. if you skip the "u" at bieru

14:16 <Bish> they won't understand at all what you're saying

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14:16 <Bish> they will just hear "bie"

14:17 <Bish> learned that the hard way, when ordering a "big mac"

14:17 <Burgestrand> The l/r split is indeed hilarious

14:17 <Bish> i didn.t even mean the l/r stuff

14:17 <Burgestrand> Ah, yeah

14:17 <Bish> i meant consonants? at the end

14:17 <Burgestrand> The phonetics

14:17 <Bish> i said big mac, and they heard bi ma

14:17 <Burgestrand> hah

14:18 <Bish> so you have to say bigu macu(or something oike that?).. and i felt incredibly stupid doing that

14:18 <Bish> because.. i really can't speak japanese

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14:20 <Burgestrand> Bish upside of being scandinavian, works rather well with most sounds so it translates quite well as long as you can figure out what it says :)

14:20 <Burgestrand> Bish (also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K12l63BcMRc)

14:20 <apeiros> dudes & dudettes, would you please move that to #ruby-offtopic? :D

14:20 <Burgestrand> Yes, very true, sorry!

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14:32 <arup_r> I am parsing a csv file with `foreach` method. Is there a neat way to skip say first 4 lines always?

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14:34 <apeiros> arup_r: if foreach returns an enumerator without a block, use that. else use enum_for

14:34 <apeiros> then on the enumerator, call .next four times

14:35 <arup_r> apeiros: is this a good approach https://stackoverflow.com/a/29954414/2767755 ?

14:35 <arup_r> apeiros: ok I will check what you said

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14:39 <apeiros> arup_r: that's not the same

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14:40 <apeiros> skipping 3 csv rows != skipping 3 lines

14:41 <apeiros> though, you said 4 lines. yeah, if it's indeed 4 lines and not 4 rows, then opening the IO, reading 4 lines, and then passing that to CSV to parse it is a solution.

14:42 <arup_r> ok can u tell me the difference between 4 lines and 4 rows in CSV? Just want to teach myself what they mean. :)

14:43 <apeiros> a csv row can span multiple lines.

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14:43 <arup_r> hm

14:43 <apeiros> "foo\nbar","baz\nquuz" # <-- 1 csv row (containing 2 cells), spanning 3 lines

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14:44 <apeiros> >> require 'csv'; CSV.parse(%{"foo\nbar","baz\nquuz"})

14:44 <ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => [["foo\nbar", "baz\nquuz"]] (https://eval.in/964496)

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14:45 <arup_r> yea got your point

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14:50 <arup_r> yes foreach returns enumerator

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14:54 <arup_r> apeiros: ok I fixed it https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/afdfcdd14257c5b0259ed7bb8f23342b

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18:16 <starseed0000> Does devise not sign users automatically when they sign up?

18:16 <havenwood> ?rails starseed0000

18:16 <ruby[bot]> starseed0000: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP

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18:36 <havenwood> "Today, everyone knows Ruby's Hash is a OrderedHash." ~Matz

18:36 <campbecf> https://repl.it/repls/UsableLopsidedFactorial is this working as intended? Why does the method get overridden with nil?

18:38 <eam> campbecf: the assignment creates a local variable, which shadows the method

18:38 <havenwood> campbecf: The variable's shadow is pounching.

18:38 <eam> jinx

18:39 <havenwood> eam: o/

18:39 <havenwood> campbecf: puts "some_external_value #=> #{self.some_external_value}"

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18:39 <eam> related: I wish ruby's conditionals were proper blocks with scope. In perl, the variable would be scoped to the conditional

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18:41 <eam> or puts "some_external_value #=> #{some_external_value()}" :)

18:41 <eam> I like rigid syntax differentiation between values and methods

18:42 <campbecf> Thanks all

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20:13 <memo1> how i find the ruby irc log

20:14 <dminuoso> memo1: Check the topic.

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20:16 <memo1> dminuoso: :)

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20:57 <rubycoder38> hi

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21:33 <FrostCandy> Is this now how you use strip? row["fluffybunny"].strip It gives me a noMethodError but the ruby docs sho " hello ".strip #=> "hello"

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21:33 <dminuoso> FrostCandy: Read the NoMethodError closely

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21:34 <havenwood> >> row = {}; row["fluffybunny"]&.strip

21:34 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => nil (https://eval.in/964667)

21:35 <dminuoso> > 1.strip

21:35 <dminuoso> > nil.strip

21:35 <dminuoso> >> 1.strip

21:35 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => undefined method `strip' for 1:Fixnum (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964668)

21:35 <dminuoso> >> nil.strip

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21:35 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => undefined method `strip' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964669)

21:35 <dminuoso> >> Class.strip

21:35 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => undefined method `strip' for Class:Class (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964670)

21:36 <dminuoso> FrostCandy: As you can see, NoMethodError generally means "I can not find a matching method in the class/hierarchy of the thing you called it on"

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21:36 <dminuoso> FrostCandy: That means either "the method does not exist", or "the thing you call it on, is something else". THe last thing can be checked, as the exception message tells you the exact class.

21:36 <dminuoso> undefined method `strip' for **Class:Class**

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21:36 <dminuoso> undefined method `strip' for **nil:NilClass**

21:36 <dminuoso> undefined method `strip' for **1:Fixnum**

21:37 <FrostCandy> oh ok dminuoso thanks i'll look

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21:37 <FrostCandy> so you are right it was nil :D

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21:37 <FrostCandy> easy mistake, sorry to bother

21:38 <d9867eb> hi, I am using the latest available Ruby on debian stretch. when running bundle install i get: /usr/local/bin/bundle:23:in `load': cannot load such file -- /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1/exe/bundle (LoadError)

21:38 <d9867eb> from /usr/local/bin/bundle:23:in `<main>'

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21:38 <d9867eb> from /usr/local/bin/bundle:23:in `<main>'

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21:48 <darix> d9867eb: check if you have a file with a suffix in /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1/exe/bundle

21:48 <darix> and then rename it back to just /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1/exe/bundle

21:49 <darix> it seems sometimes rubygems applies the binary suffix also to files in the /exe/ subdirectory.

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21:50 <d9867eb> darix: /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1/exe/bundle doesnt exist on my machine. should create that?

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21:51 <darix> d9867eb: just run ls /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1/exe/

21:51 <d9867eb> ok

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21:53 <d9867eb> darix, i ran ls /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/ and i got bundler-1.16.0 rdoc-4.2.1

21:53 <d9867eb> however i got bundler 1.16.1

21:54 <darix> so why does your /usr/local/bin/bundle think you had 1.16.1 ?

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21:56 <d9867eb> darix, i dont know. anyway i ran sudo mv /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.0 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems/bundler-1.16.1 and i t works now

21:56 <d9867eb> thanks

21:56 <apeiros> that's not really a good idea

21:57 <apeiros> but it might show how you got to the current problem in the first place. randomly moving managed stuff around is a recipe for troubles.

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21:58 <dminuoso> apeiros: I regularly move things around on my coworkers desk when he's not there.

21:58 <dminuoso> So I can confirm: It's a recipe for trouble

21:58 <apeiros> dminuoso: got wireless keyboards? swapping those is always good fun.

21:58 <d9867eb> apeiros, but really I dont use bundler 1.16.

21:58 <dminuoso> apeiros: I did one better: Another coworker dropped in with his macbook. While they were out grabbing coffee, I switched the macbooks.

21:59 <apeiros> d9867eb: but it's really still a bad idea to randomly move managed stuff around

21:59 <apeiros> dminuoso: hah

21:59 <d9867eb> apeiros, then what should i do?

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21:59 <dminuoso> apeiros: For about 10 minutes he stared in disbelief after the 3rd time it woudnt accept his password. The rest of the time he was totally confused "since when does Apple have air logon to nearby macbooks..."

21:59 <apeiros> dminuoso: :D

22:00 <d9867eb> a dir for bundle was missing

22:00 <apeiros> d9867eb: if moving things around which you shouldn't is a habit - no idea. you might have broken an arbitrary number of things.

22:01 <dminuoso> apeiros: And if you have a coworker you _dont_ like, take some transparent adhesive tape, and stick it on the maglock right inside on the 4 pins.

22:01 <apeiros> I'd say just reinstalling/updating bundler would be the better approach. but hey, you said it works. so: good luck, I guess?

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22:01 <dminuoso> Watch him claw his eyes out when his battery runs out of juice, trying to figure out why "yet another power cord is broken"

22:01 <apeiros> dminuoso: only tb3 macbooks here anymore :-| (also I like my coworkers)

22:02 <eam> if you really, *really* don't like them, use foil tape

22:02 <d9867eb> apeiros, i jsut I ran gem update --system and then bundle wouldnt run. I am not sure about how I would have broken something.

22:02 <dminuoso> eam: Haha!

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22:02 <eam> I spilled water on a yubikey in my usb port once and it shorted the 5v pins and melted it into my port

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22:03 <dminuoso> eam: Ever since the width of your notebook increased by 3cm?

22:04 <eam> thankfully the battery was fine

22:05 <eam> I burnt out the data pins though. The port could charge, but inactive data pins

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22:06 <eam> about 6mo later I worked on a project with a usb protocol analyzer and I found a whole bunch of garbage noise on the *other* usb port that still did work, so I swapped out the laptop and all was well

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22:07 <shalok> What's the right way to return a block from a function? https://ideone.com/7U3FyS

22:07 <dminuoso> shalok: a block is just a Proc without the Proc.

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22:07 <dminuoso> shalok: So just reify it with Proc/proc/lambda

22:09 <shalok> got it thanks

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22:11 <d9867eb> darix, is it better to use sass or just plain css?

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22:17 <darix> d9867eb: what ever makes you happy.

22:17 <darix> there is also less.

22:17 <d9867eb> darix, what do you suggest?

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22:18 <d9867eb> darix, what is the best way source sass?

22:19 * darix is not a web developer

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22:20 <d9867eb> darix, ok thanks anyway

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22:22 <shalok> I was a little surprised that this seems to work: https://ideone.com/7U3FyS

22:22 <shalok> Do local variables in ruby have lifetime that exceeds the scope?

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22:23 <eam> shalok: this is called a closure, the proc retains access to the scope

22:23 <eam> the scope isn't exceeded per se, it persists in the proc

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22:25 <shalok> Is there any difference between myvar and @myvar when I'm not in a class?

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22:26 <eam> when are you not in a class?

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22:27 <eam> (the answer is that yes, local and instance variables are always different, but there's a larger question here)

22:27 <starseed0000> I feel like sass and less make people lazy and end up with ridiculous style heirarchy

22:27 <dminuoso> >> class A; def initialize; @a = 1; end; def f; -> { @a } end; end; puts A.new.f[]

22:27 <ruby[bot]> dminuoso: # => 1 ...check link for more (https://eval.in/964683)

22:28 <dminuoso> shalok: ^- A closure is a closure.

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22:40 <shalok> eam: Like if not inside 'class' statement. e.g. https://ideone.com/7U3FyS

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22:54 <eam> shalok: you are always inside a class. At the toplevel, self is "main"

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23:03 <havenwood> >> class << self; remove_method :inspect end; self

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23:03 <ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => #<Object:0x4143934c> (https://eval.in/964696)

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23:08 <darix> We can also reopen havenwood and attach more methods to him

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23:09 <darix> easy way to teach new behavior, or overwrite undesirable behavior!

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23:25 <parsnip0> trying `s3_website push` gives `connect': SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv2/v3 read server hello A: tlsv1 alert protocol version (OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError)

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23:50 <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day

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