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<quazimodo> hi all
<quazimodo> I have a Time instance, want to either change it or create a new Time instance at 12:00 on the same date, is there a quick way?
<quazimodo> nvm looks like rails has it :/
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<purplepuppet> I'm pretty comfortable with ruby, but would like to do some more advanced things, namely parallel programming. The only thing is that I don't know much about parallel programming/multithreading/coprocessing/etc in general, and how they differ, and particularly what the specifics of how that works in ruby. Is there a good article/book that goes over
<purplepuppet> this from a ruby point fo view?
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<Iambchop> purplepuppet: I've seen but not read either: "Working with Ruby Threads" and "The dRuby Book"
<purplepuppet> thanks
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<travishunter> Can anyone help me with a sample command to run a benchmark yml file in ruby/ruby?
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<travishunter> Iambchop I was just running 'benchmark-driver benchmark/my_file.yml' but i'm not sure how to compare my branch to master
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<cjohnson> Is there any harm to prepending every command I execute with `bundle exec`? It seems to work with non-ruby stuff just fine i.e. bundle exec ping google.com
<cjohnson> I want to set `bundle exec` in the entrypoint to my ruby container so I don't have to add it to every command
<cjohnson> Also, any harm in `bundle exec bundle exec`?
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<adam12> cjohnson: I think it just sets up a few environment variables and then creates a subshell. Should be fine.
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<adam12> cjohnson: That said, you should be probably using binstubs and adding bin/ to $PATH.
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<cjohnson> Is it guaranteed that every command has a corresponding binstub? Is that something bundler enforces?
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<cjohnson> I seem to be missing a rubocop binstub for instance
<cjohnson> And rspec
<havenwood> cjohnson: Are you running?: bundle install --binstubs
<havenwood> cjohnson: Is this a Rails app that had pre-existing binstubs?
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<cjohnson> No, yes
<havenwood> cjohnson: In a vanilla Ruby project, there aren't any binstubs unless you make them. Most folk don't make them. Rails ships with some as a nicety. I see some folk use them.
<cjohnson> The only stubs I have are the ones rails added
<cjohnson> So I ought to bundle install --binstubs and then add bin to $PATH?
<cjohnson> That's a better approach than putting `bundle exec` in my container entrypoint?
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<havenwood> cjohnson: You certainly can do that. It gets ugly when there are multiple Ruby apps. so people use `bin/rails` from the app or `bundle exec rails`.
<cjohnson> This is inside a container so always one ruby app
<havenwood> cjohnson: Usually binstubs are used without putting them in path.
<havenwood> cjohnson: Ah, that makes sense.
<cjohnson> So I can either make the container run inside a `bundle exec` or I can add binstubs
<cjohnson> Or I can just run `bundle exec rubocop` every time
<cjohnson> What would your vote be?
<havenwood> cjohnson: Often, in prod, folk use `bundle install --deployment` for vendored gems. You could then add their binstubs to PATH too. TIMTOWTDI.
<havenwood> cjohnson: With `--deployment`, the bundle is "locked" (so you can't bundle locally) and the `--path` dir is set to `./vendor`.
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<cjohnson> I would probably not want to do that, since the same image is used in development if possible
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<havenwood> You can disable it with `--no-deployment` or just do the `--path` part without the locking part.
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<cjohnson> I just do `bundle install`. Since it's in a container I don't need to worry about doing that sort of packaging/isolation
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<havenwood> cjohnson: Then you probably don't need binstubs either, since you can put $(gem env gemdir)/bin in $PATH.
<havenwood> Just don't run `gem update` globally. :P
<havenwood> Though, I'd still use the bundle, just to be sure newer gems don't somehow slip by.
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<havenwood> I'm already hooked on .: so I hope that is something that graduates from "experimental" category after 2.7! https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2019/10/22/ruby-2-7-0-preview2-released/
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<cjohnson> havenwood: Cool yeah if anybody did `gem update` that would be an error on their part
<cjohnson> Can you specify what you mean by "use the bundle"?
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<cjohnson> What exactly is the bundle beyond putting $(gem env gemdir)/bin in $PATH?
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<cjohnson> .: looks pretty neat
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<havenwood> cjohnson: It's just also pinning the version. If you really have no other versions installed, that's a no-op.
<havenwood> (And no need for Bundler at all.)
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<havenwood> Other than installing the right versions from the Gemfile.lock in the first place.
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<havenwood> `bundle exec` and binstubs don't actually do anything if only the right versions are installed. (other than act as a sanity check that this really is the case.)
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<cjohnson> Perfect
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<vova> Hi all . Could someone help me to start the application when
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<vova> Bundler could not find compatible versions for gem "rubygems":
<vova> In Gemfile: rubygems (= 3.0.3)
<vova> but needs rubygems (~> 2.0)
<vova> Is it any why to fix it. Sorry I'm new in ruby
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<RougeRR> hey
<adam12> RougeRR: hey
<RougeRR> heya
* RougeRR has a strong feeling he has been too clever
<RougeRR> wrote some what i think is good code
<RougeRR> i suspect manager will rebuke it though
<RougeRR> was fun to do regardless
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<RougeRR> i think ill prepare a different branch without the recursion or metaprogramming
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<leftylink> we could get very philosophical with the definition of good!!!
<RougeRR> haha true
<leftylink> but I am not ready to discuss philosophy :(
<RougeRR> idk i could share
<RougeRR> there is no business logic in there at all
<RougeRR> ill sanitize it for sure first
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<baweaver> the thing about metaprogramming and clever code is sometimes you need to experiment to find the best solutions to things
<baweaver> The more you program in Ruby the more those become natural inclinations
<RougeRR> yeah
<RougeRR> i find that
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<RougeRR> my boss is .net based
<RougeRR> and often doesnt like the ruby way
<RougeRR> thats the code
<RougeRR> ive sanitized it ofc
<baweaver> I'd have to take a bit to read it though, interview coming up
<RougeRR> ahh no worries
<RougeRR> essentially a long controller using same method sigs for all the storage/db types
<baweaver> * Noted I'm the one giving said interview, so no havenwood, I'm not leaving XD
<RougeRR> log controller*
<RougeRR> haha
<havenwood> haha
<phaul> are you both ate the same place ? :)
<baweaver> First impression though is that inheritance or some type of Loggable module would be easier to maintain
<havenwood> phaul: Yeah, we're both at Square.
<baweaver> Yep
<phaul> cool
<baweaver> eam is over here too, but tends to be fairly quiet
<baweaver> Think of it like Enumerable. Define an each and it gives you the rest.
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<phaul> now that I work, I could I s'ppose hint that ppl should join #ruby
<RougeRR> baweaver, yeah i did it with inheritance originally
<RougeRR> got rejected on PR
<havenwood> RougeRR: I'd one-liner lines 5-7 since I think it reads easier:
<havenwood> @active_storage = setup_driver_for(Setting.active_log_storage&.upcase)
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<RougeRR> yeah i keep looking at that bit havenwood
<havenwood> RougeRR: Consider using kwargs liberally if you have more than one argument (even if you only have one).
<RougeRR> its annoying me
<phaul> RougeRR: were there good arguments against inheritance?
<RougeRR> yeah also agreed
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<RougeRR> phaul, it wasnt really extensible if we wanted to add additional log storages
<RougeRR> we only have 2
<havenwood> RougeRR: Maybe it's an artifact of sanitizing, but line 57 references an ivar that doesn't exist.
<RougeRR> havenwood, yep thats sanitizing
<RougeRR> that setup_driver_for bit was most of sanitizing
<havenwood> RougeRR: If you're going to have #check_active_storage set @active_storage, I'd call it and use it in the initializer.
<havenwood> (Don't have `Setting.active_log_storage&.upcase` twice.)
<RougeRR> havenwood, this class object can persist while the active storage is changed
<havenwood> RougeRR: Lines 51 to 53 seem like you should extract a Hash constant.
<RougeRR> yeah havenwood i agree
<RougeRR> its a bit of errr...mocking up
<havenwood> RougeRR: I mean that if you're going to have this helper method, use it, since you do this same code at initialization.
<RougeRR> as i only actually have 2 log types
<havenwood> RougeRR: I'd recommend using #public_send in place of #send (line 41) unless you really mean to access the private interface.
<RougeRR> oh?
<RougeRR> i always just use send
<RougeRR> i can guess what pub send does
<havenwood> RougeRR: I'd rather #send was public only and there was a #private_send, but not so for historical reasons
<RougeRR> yeah i actually agree with that
<phaul> &>> class X; private def foo; end; end; X.new.public_send(:foo)
<rubydoc> stderr: -e:4:in `public_send': private method `foo' called for #<X:0x000055be55f965c8> (NoMethodError)... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7uu1)
<RougeRR> would make more sense
<havenwood> RougeRR: I think keyword arguments would make this nicer.
<RougeRR> havenwood, yeah i think that might be a good way to go
<RougeRR> i ussually use them all the time lol
<RougeRR> what do you think of the way ive done it?
<RougeRR> mostly the where/process/recall
<havenwood> RougeRR: In Ruby I usually don't use recursion, since tail-call optimization isn't enabled by default. I think you should extract some duplication, but otherwise this looks good to me with eyes blurred.
<RougeRR> duplication in the helpers mostly
<RougeRR> and no me neither, i dont usually use recursion either
<havenwood> #process/#where
<RougeRR> it felt like it made sense
<RougeRR> ah yeah i can see what you mean
<RougeRR> might be a way to dry it up
<havenwood> You can enable TCO if there's a chance you'll overflow.
<havenwood> I'd push for DRY in those.
<havenwood> It'll highlight where they differ.
<RougeRR> there is a little input manipulation ive excluded between methods
<havenwood> RougeRR: How do you use #progname?
<RougeRR> which is part of sanitization.
* havenwood nods
<RougeRR> havenwood its used in the loggers
<RougeRR> i.e
<RougeRR> PRODUCT.WORKER
<RougeRR> or
<RougeRR> PRODUCT.API
<RougeRR> Petc
<RougeRR> etc
<havenwood> How often do you check for active storage? What triggers that?
<RougeRR> manual check
<RougeRR> manual change*
<RougeRR> we only want to change the active storage if something has gone wrong really
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<RougeRR> but it needs to be checked at the beginning of each method
<RougeRR> hmmm
<RougeRR> i could add a helper method to reinstantiate the loggers
<RougeRR> when the active storage is changed
<RougeRR> which would mean they reinitialize with the new active storage type
<havenwood> What does #storage do?
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<RougeRR> storage ||=
<RougeRR> ?
<havenwood> oh, local?
<RougeRR> no
<havenwood> Can you not store storage state as an instance variable?
<RougeRR> its the active storage on first call
<RougeRR> active_storage?
<RougeRR> i could
<RougeRR> but this controller persists for the lifetime of the application
<havenwood> I just want any memoization to be in the helper method.
<RougeRR> and the active_storage needs to be able to change without restarting app
<havenwood> RougeRR: Should you have one method to fetch or create the storage with memoization and another to update it?
<RougeRR> already got an update method in the API
<RougeRR> which just updates any setting you feed it
<havenwood> RougeRR: I think you should be able to call #storage and get the storage.
<RougeRR> mmmm
<havenwood> RougeRR: have #storage memoize
<RougeRR> sounds like an idea
<RougeRR> sorry i g2g its super late just noticed hahah
<havenwood> I just don't like seeing repeated memoization against a local var.
<havenwood> RougeRR: later!
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<RougeRR> ikwym :)
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<baweaver> The flip-flop syntax deprecation is reverted. [Feature #5400]
<baweaver> Heh
<havenwood> Yes, too dang usefule.
<baweaver> Argument forwarding by ... is introduced. [Feature #16253]
<leftylink> lol
<havenwood> baweaver: Super rare, but I can't come up with an alternative for the examples given either.
<phaul> it's nature of flip flopping to go between states
<bougyman> are there any downsides to enabling tail call optimization?
<bougyman> I mean, I was wondering why it's _not_ enabled by default.
<havenwood> bougyman: Only disabling stack trace.
<bougyman> ah rihjt
<havenwood> bougyman: It's an either/or.
<bougyman> Dat sucks.
<havenwood> bougyman: You can compile Ruby with TCO in leu of stack trace or enable one or the other at the instruction sequence level.
<havenwood> bougyman: For example, this is #require_relative with TCO: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/3c5a5e1476c811460992
<havenwood> bougyman: At least we can enable TCO at will. I've thought about proposing kwargs for #require, #require_relative and #load to enable TCO.
<bougyman> That'd be nice. I like that #require_relative for it.
<bougyman> as opposed to making it VM-wider
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<havenwood> bougyman: Yeah, I could see: require_relative 'foo', tail_call: true
<havenwood> Or something like that.
<havenwood> It's not hard to implement.
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<baweaver> havenwood: Going to write on forwarding later tonight
<bougyman> It'd really be nice as a per-method thing.
<baweaver> I mean one could stash it in a prepended module and wrap it in TCO
<havenwood> baweaver: Nice. After playing with it a bit, I like it, but really want to be able to use it along with arguments.
<baweaver> that way it'd just be `tco def something ... end`
<havenwood> baweaver: true, I like that too
<havenwood> baweaver: and should we `tco` or `tail_call` or other?
<baweaver> tco just being a placeholder name
* havenwood agrees
<baweaver> so it could be gemified pretty easily
<havenwood> yeah, it can be for the whole shebang
<havenwood> we should probably gemify the method prefix and loading kwargs then propose.
<havenwood> whatcha doing this weekend?
<havenwood> :P
<havenwood> A single gem with options to enable both, one or the other?
<havenwood> I can see use for both.
<havenwood> Or two gems?
<havenwood> Then naming is a good question.
<havenwood> #tco, #tail_call_optimize, #tail_call, #tail_not_stack, #recursion
<havenwood> You're disabling trace instructions in favor of tail-call optimization
<havenwood> Likely, for the sake of recursion
<havenwood> #tails_not_traces
<havenwood> Objective-C style: #enable_tailcall_optimization_and_disable_trace_instruction
<havenwood> tails_not_traces def foo
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<bougyman> tco def foo
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<havenwood> yeah, tco isn't so bad. unfortunately, Total Cost of Ownership is a thing.
<bougyman> eh.
<bougyman> unfortunately
<havenwood> it makes search tough.
<havenwood> then again, "Ruby TCO" works. Probably good enough.
<havenwood> require 'foo', tco: true
<havenwood> tco def foo
<havenwood> It's short!
<bougyman> tco { def foo; end def bar; end }, too!
<havenwood> mmm
<havenwood> klass.tco { def foo ... }
<bougyman> sure.
<havenwood> tco_eval
<havenwood> eco_exec
<havenwood> tco**
<bougyman> recursify
<havenwood> disable_trace
<havenwood> it's a packed thing - disabling one thing and enabling another
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<psilly0> hello, once i do a `def call` of something
<psilly0> how do i call it later in the script
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<havenwood> psilly0: call()
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<Frankenstein> &>> def foo puts "hi" end; foo()
<rubydoc> stderr: -e:4: syntax error, unexpected tSTRING_BEG, expecting ';' or '\n'... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7uuq)
<Frankenstein> &>> def foo puts "hi"; end; foo()
<rubydoc> stderr: -e:4: syntax error, unexpected tSTRING_BEG, expecting ';' or '\n'... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7uur)
<Frankenstein> oh well, right idea wrong format
<psilly0> havenwood
<psilly0> that doesn’t seem to work
<havenwood> &>> def foo; puts "hi" end; foo()
<rubydoc> # => hi... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7uus)
<Frankenstein> ah, so close
<havenwood> psilly0: Show your code?
<psilly0> def call
<psilly0> Ruhroh.rescue!(component: 'Hello-Michael', severity: 'critical', name: 'crons') do
<psilly0> service.encabulate!
<psilly0> end
<psilly0> end
<havenwood> psilly0: And what's the problem you run into calling that method?
<havenwood> psilly0: Show the code you're running and the error?
<havenwood> psilly0: Nothing is wrong with the method definition you've shown.
<havenwood> I have to relocate, but if someone else doesn't weigh in I will when I get back.
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<psilly0> there is no error
<psilly0> it just runs
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<leftylink> so that means we are all good here, right
<psilly0> no
<leftylink> why not
<psilly0> it runs, but it doesn’t notify pager duty
<adam12> psilly0: It's probably erroring, but being rescued by that Ruhruh.rescue! call.
<adam12> psilly0: And then the error/exception is being silently eaten.
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<leftylink> hey, I was just here to solve the "how to call a function" problem. I see that problem has been solved satisfactorily, so I take my leave and wish luck on solving the "not notifying pagerduty" problem
* leftylink waves
<psilly0> :(
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<psilly0> sorry
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