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<havenwood>
here's a little spike showing how to write a little macOS assembly library and call it from Ruby via Fiddle: https://github.com/havenwood/assembly
<havenwood>
it's not much code once you get the incantations down
<havenwood>
i'd appreciate any criticism of my assembly
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<havenwood>
baweaver: I wish frozen_string_literal was just enabled by default in 2.7, but it isn't afaik
<havenwood>
please tell me I'm wrong :)
<havenwood>
I do like the handful of #to_s methods that now return frozen strings. Ones like NilClass#to_s and Symbol#to_s really matter.
<havenwood>
all those nil.to_s'es
<havenwood>
#{nil}
<xco>
havenwood I read somewhere that frozen_string_literal would be default from Ruby 3 and now I'm seeing that in 2.7 strings are frozen. I'm confused
<havenwood>
xco: Frozen string literal isn't enabled in 2.7 and it's not clear it will be in 3.0. The verdict is out on what all will be frozen in 3.0.
<xco>
havenwood ah ok
<havenwood>
xco: In 2.7 there are things like true.to_s, false.to_s, nil.to_s, Symbol#to_s, etc that now return frozen strings rather than new strings each time they're called.
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<baweaver>
havenwood: You're wrong :)
<havenwood>
baweaver: I was hoping so... Just not committed yet?
<baweaver>
(...and I'm lying, though Charles and a few others are dead set on it)
<baweaver>
It won't surprise me if it happens, but String mutation is broken in the preview
<havenwood>
baweaver: in what context? a different type of validations than dry-validation? new gem?
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<baweaver>
the gem we'd mentioned earlier today
<baweaver>
They made a huge singleton validator which passes around a crap ton of state and uses ArgErrors everywhere to bail out
<xco>
havenwood yeah that makes sense to me now :)...
<havenwood>
baweaver: ahhhh, right. makes sense now! long day...
<baweaver>
Fair fair
<baweaver>
I already rewrote most of it
<baweaver>
and dang it was a mess
<havenwood>
haha, yeah, a lot to unscramble
<xco>
havenwood you'd get the same "FrozenError: can't modify frozen String: "xco" in 2.6 with frozen_string_literal as magic comment then? right?
<havenwood>
unscramble my eggs back into nice, pristine shells please.
<baweaver>
Don't like the current variant of it
<baweaver>
Will have to think about it
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<baweaver>
Bright side I feel a bit more alive again
<havenwood>
xco: nope, it doesn't freeze all strings, just literals
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<havenwood>
xco: the 2.7 changes are freezing non-string-literal things.
<havenwood>
baweaver: phew!
<havenwood>
frozen_string_literal will freeze "xco", 'xco', %(xco), and so on but not String.new('xco'), nil.to_s, :xco.to_s, etc.
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<xco>
havenwood this line right here "frozen_string_literal will freeze "xco", 'xco', %(xco), and so on but not String.new('xco'), nil.to_s, :xco.to_s, etc." is a huge eye-opener :P. all this while i thought frozen_string_literal froze nil.to_s too. Shit! there's a "literal" in it's name for a reason hahahaha
<havenwood>
xco: haha
<xco>
havenwood i could spin up small article on all the talk on string here in a mini article, would you review for me if i added "please"? :D
<havenwood>
xco: yeah, sure - i'd be happy to
<xco>
havenwood :D awesome!!!
<xco>
this is mainly to summarise the new surprised i've gotten here today. i'm sure there are a ton of other neophytes like me out there
<havenwood>
xco: (character literals and heredocs)
<havenwood>
they're effected by frozen_string_literal too, since they're string literals!
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<havenwood>
xco: Module#name is the other one that's now frozen
<xco>
havenwood awesome! i'll summarise what i learned today this week in a blog post!
<havenwood>
From NEWS:
<havenwood>
Module#name now always returns a frozen String. The returned String is always the same for a given Module. This change is experimental. [Feature #16150]
<xco>
havenwood "Module#name is the other one that's now frozen" > we're talking about 2.7 right?
<havenwood>
Symbol#to_s now always returns a frozen String. The returned String is always the same for a given Symbol. This change is experimental. [Feature #16150]
<havenwood>
xco: It shipped in ruby-2.7.0-preview2 and will be in the stable release of 2.7 on Christmas.
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<xco>
havenwood but they said "Module#name now always returns a frozen String. The returned String is always the same for a given Module. This change is experimental." which means it's not finalised it. it could be scraped all together like they did with the pipeline operator
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<xco>
yet*
<havenwood>
xco: Yup, as long as it's experimental it could be yanked. Most experimental things aren't yanked, but it's signaling it's possible.
<xco>
right
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<anoob>
You are right, phaul_
<anoob>
It does work if you defined it first
<anoob>
But it does not work if you do not define it first...
<NL3limin4t0r>
anoob: As far as I can remember it never worked without definging it first. You might be conflicted with Rails with auto generates the non-existing classes/modules.
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<anoob>
I see, NL3limin4t0r...
<anoob>
Maybe this is the real reason....
<NL3limin4t0r>
I'll look up the documentation regarding that behaviour
<NL3limin4t0r>
Keep in mind that this is the guide Autoloading and Reloading Constants "Classic Mode" and not "Zeitwerk Mode". Zeitwerk Mode is relatively new and might be used by Rails 6, but I'm not 100% sure about that (I'm still running 5.x).
<anoob>
Thanks
<anoob>
So do I NL3limin4t0r
<anoob>
I still need to learn this new Zeitwerk Mode thing...
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<jacargentina>
hi!
<jacargentina>
trying to bundle install on Fedora 31, i'm getting an error building gpgme 0.2.18
<jacargentina>
how can i somehow workaround this problem? not having any experience with ruby/bundler, etc
<jacargentina>
i'm trying to fix my gitlab installation (was working on Fedora 30) and i just upgraded to F31
<adam12>
havenwood: Too hard to follow the JA news, but for the English speaking parts, it's really hard to not notice all the work that Jeremy Evans has been doing to close out bugs, and the work that Aaron is doing on the compacting GC too. And the continuous work on jRuby by that team. I love it.
<havenwood>
ytti: chruby, since it's a few lines of code. no code is fast, easy to maintain and debug.
<havenwood>
ytti: If you're using asdf for other things, maybe that makes sense for you? I wouldn't use it *just* for Ruby since there are lighter weight options.
<havenwood>
ytti: What feature of RVM are you looking for that chruby/ruby-install don't provide? Just curious.
<ytti>
havenwood, nothing in particular, i probably should consider chruby as well
<havenwood>
ytti: I'm one of the maintainers of both. RVM is tens of thousands of lines of shell and chruby is hundreds.
<ytti>
it's damn shame LCD is bash/zsh in unixy world
<ytti>
problems of open garden, moving forward is difficult
<ytti>
something like powershell as LCD would be so much better
<havenwood>
ytti: RVM is great for old systems and old Rubies where patches and domain knowledge are needed. RVM actually ships with MRVM, providing chruby support for quicker switching. I'd suggest just using chruby if you're on a modern system, reasonable shell and using modern Rubies.
<havenwood>
ytti: In other news, chruby 1.0.0 may be around the corner. :) No need to wait though.
<NL3limin4t0r>
I personally like RVM, but that may be because I never tried any other Ruby version manager. Learned Ruby at my first programming job, they worked with RVM and I sticked with it.
<NL3limin4t0r>
Never had issues with it though.
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<havenwood>
NL3limin4t0r: When it *just works*, hard to complain.
<NL3limin4t0r>
My current employer also insists on using RVM, so no need to change.
<adam12>
havenwood: Does chruby still have that weird version sorting bug? I can't remember the details exactly but it bit me before, where I think it could pick .1 vs .10 when specifying just the major/mnor.
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<Swyper>
hi
<Swyper>
how come p "0 \n 1 \n 2 \n 3 \n 4"
<Swyper>
"0 \n 1 \n 2 \n 3 \n 4" is the output
<Swyper>
shouldent \n make a new line
<havenwood>
adam12: Yeah, it's amazing how difficult it is to just sort numerically. I was just revisiting my old PR around that since 1.0 is coming up and Bash 3 is on the way out. BBIAB--meeting
<adam12>
havenwood: Yeah. It actually almost made me re-write it in a non-bash way. Also, FreeBSD doesn't ship with bash so it's an extra dependency to install.
<NL3limin4t0r>
Swyper: `p` uses the `inspect` method, whereas `puts` uses `to_s`. `inspect` is the same you'll see in irb as return value. The newline characteters are replaced with the literal `\` and `n` characters.
<havenwood>
adam12: It's so easy in zsh... <3 zsh.
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<havenwood>
adam12: That's ^ my zsh solution, which would be perfect except for that pesky lack of any bash equivalent.
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<havenwood>
adam12: We're thinking of even writing an upstream bash library to then use. There's just no good solution, frustratingly.
<havenwood>
I've written a solution using gnu commands and another in shell, but they're annoyingly complex for being a tailored use.
<adam12>
havenwood: It's a jank world.
<havenwood>
Yuuup
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<adam12>
havenwood: I started writing my replacement in C but then shuttered it. Figured I'd just write it in something that compiled to portable C.
<adam12>
havenwood: But lately I just use direnv.
<adam12>
bbiaf. lunch.
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<davidw>
Anyone want to chat about a segfault? I've started narrowing it down to a spot in thread.c
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<havenwood>
davidw: Share the logs/error output?
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<davidw>
havenwood, it's complicated... basically I have narrowed it down to where it tries to reference main_th in thread_start_func_2, but it's already null
<davidw>
the concurrent ruby gem has some stuff where it launches a new Thread inside an objectspace finalizer. My theory is that things are blowing up because that thread is outliving the main thread and doing bad things somehow...
<havenwood>
davidw: what version of Ruby? forking involved?
<davidw>
ah... not using that... kind of curious to try and track down the actual bug
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<CableNinja>
I know theres a way but I cant seem to get google to give me anything... I want to take the args from a function and get them as a hash within that function...
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<leftylink>
hmm. well I know that one could do def foo(*args) and/or def foo(**kwargs). but then to give the args other names, one would need to do another assignment
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<CableNinja>
AHAH! I knew there was a thing
<CableNinja>
wait.. that doesnt give the actual values too dammit
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<jfhbrook>
hello everyone! I'm a relatively experienced python/js dev trying to learn some ruby. What's the ruby idiom for creating separable environments a la node_modules or virtualenvs? is that a Gemfile + bundler?
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<wilkir>
jfhbrook: you can use rbenv (or rvm) for different ruby versions and bundler for project specific gems.
<jfhbrook>
I see. If I install a cli tool as a project specific gem, how do I run that tool? similar question about getting a repl that can import those gems
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<wilkir>
you can use `irb` for a repl and type `require 'gemname'` while in the repl. All gems will be available if you are in the same rbenv/rvm environment.
<jfhbrook>
is the loading of project gems based on path? ie if I have a random gem in my rails app and I want to require it, do I simply `cd ./project-directory && irb` ?
<jfhbrook>
I know these are really basic questions and I apologize
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<wilkir>
When you install a gem with either `gem install x` or `bundle install` it will be available in any folder. If you only want to load the gems in a gemfile, you can call `bundle exec 'command'`
<wilkir>
given that you are in the same environment.
<jfhbrook>
so I should think of bundler more like I do pip and requirements.txt files
<jfhbrook>
it runs install specs in whatever environment you happen to be in
<jfhbrook>
which for me right now is the "global" environment because I haven't set up rbenv yet
<wilkir>
bundler is similar to pip, yes.
<jfhbrook>
ok cool, this is making more sense
<jfhbrook>
how often do minor ruby updates break old code?
<jfhbrook>
I'm looking at a project that wants 2.5 but I'm on 2.6 and it's breaking right now in a "egregious bug" looking way and so now I'm wondering
<phaul>
I would have tought 2.6 should be able to run 2.5 code. not the other way around though
<phaul>
a quick suggestion to try. in /home/josh/.gem/ruby/2.6.0/gems/iruby-0.4.0/lib/iruby/session_adapter/pyzmq_adapter.rb whenever you see PyCall stick a double colon in front like ::PyCall
<phaul>
might or might not fix it. donno. Im just going by the error message
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<jfhbrook>
not what I meant
<jfhbrook>
iruby is a jupyter kernel, and in python I can create a separate kernel/backend for each of my virtualenvs
<jfhbrook>
so I can use the "cool django project" kernel
<jfhbrook>
but that only works because the ipykernel installer takes cli args for names
<jfhbrook>
iruby register does not, as far as I can tell
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<jfhbrook>
yet, anyway. will likely submit a patch once I can figure out how this all works haha
<phaul>
jfhbrook: can you try my suggestion ? ^^
<jfhbrook>
I tried it in the one spot and didn't see a change, but the file itself is interesting
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<trinaldi>
Hi, guys. Quick question. I haven't use Ruby since 2016. I remember there was a gem(?) or a method that, given an initial value and a disered one, it returned a list of possible methods.. For example 2 and 3 it would return .next as an option
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<jfhbrook>
very similar stack if I do the :: throughout
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<phaul>
an other one, even easier... try moving require 'pycall' to the top of the file. before module Iruby
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<jfhbrook>
so I actually have bigger problems
<jfhbrook>
and am going to back up and get rbenv working
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<jfhbrook>
and then come back if I still have the same issue
<jfhbrook>
I suspect that arch system ruby has some promblems
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<jfhbrook>
ok so good news and bad news: the good news is that by using rbenv I was able to get that error to go away and I can now run iruby in a repl; but the bad news is that iruby's default register hook doesn't seem to support bundler-managed iruby
<jfhbrook>
womp womp
<jfhbrook>
still, I feel enlightened
<jfhbrook>
ipykernel register hook*
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