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<TrufflePump> Is there a ractor tutorial? I'm trying to build a pipeline and trying to close the output when the input is closed, but without dropping anything along the way. Currently I'm catching my read fail and doing Ractor.current.close_outgoing which cascades to the next. But unclaimed outgoing messages can't be read after this.
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<havenwood> TrufflePump: Possibly of interest https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/17310
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<TrufflePump> havenwood: Thanks.
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<akem> Hey, is there a simple command line tool to compile simple ruby code(no external libs or gem) to executable binary on linux? I've seen ruby2exe and allinoneruby, but they are gems and it looks weird<
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<akem> Or maybe ruby2C translator would be good.
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<akem> What is ':i:Symbol' ?
<leftylink> that's not valid Ruby syntax.
<leftylink> :i is a Symbol.
<leftylink> &>> :i
<rubydoc> # => :i (https://carc.in/#/r/aldw)
<leftylink> &>> :i.asdf
<rubydoc> # => -e:4:in `<main>': undefined method `asdf' for :i:Symbol (NoMethodError)... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/aldx)
<leftylink> :i is a Symbol.
<akem> Lefty, i see, never heard of Symbol before.
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<akem> Ok. Thanks leftylink.
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<sarna> hey, how do I init a project with bundler that should be just an application, not a gem? something like `bundle gem` but.. not for gems
<sarna> if there are any articles on that I'd be really thankful
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<akem> I wonder why ruby is so slow, for loading a text file of 2000 lines, modifying newlines, like inserting \r\n at each lines and displaying it, it takes 10 times more than the C version.
<akem> Without doing anything fancy.
<akem> Maybe 'Turbo Ruby' would be a good idea, like there was 'Turbo C' and all back in the days ;P
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<adam12> akem: Hard to say without comparables.
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<adam12> akem: Ruby is probably doing more tho. ie. Garbage Collection.
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<akem> adam12: yeah...and maybe untyped variables when moving/copying memory..
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<adam12> akem: All those strings in Ruby are objects too; not just small allocations of memory. So there are some tradeoffs naturally.
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<adam12> I think there’s some ways to bypass it, but just turning off the GC for that block might be OK if you know you’re not going to be memory constrained.
<akem> adam12: Yeah. Much bigger, and side logic 'in background' for the object oriented model.
<akem> But my ruby to C test doesn't work good, even if i'm not using libs etc, some ruby 'nodes' are not implemented, and it bugged out. Only work for very simple ruby code.
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<akem> Looks like i was wrong, my last test is very fast, there must be something weird going on in my other program.
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<akem> I got an array a=[]; and it is filling it by using a += [1]; for 30000 times that takes so long.
<adam12> That makes sense in some ways, since the Array has to be re-allocated every X times to fit more elements.
<akem> adam12: But using a.append(1) is instant! just try both methods it's crazy.
<adam12> Oooh! I see
<adam12> You’re re-assigning with +=, and mutating with .append
<adam12> When you re-assign, you’re creating a new Array each time, with the elements of the previous + the new one.
<akem> Yeah, i didn't know, i always favor operators instead of methods when i can, looks like i shouldn't :P
<adam12> It likely depends, since << is probably just as fast as append.
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<akem> I never use << but now i fixed my problem completly! it's as fast as the C version ;P You know i was looking for a compiler because of that, i thought it was because the object language etc, you ruby is known to be slower than others.
<akem> +know
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<momoruby> hi
<momoruby> I am working with REXML
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<momoruby> If I handle an Element (<head>text</head>) I tried Element.name to get "head" and Element.text to get "text"
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<momoruby> However I end up with a data structure that I construct which has occurences like these: &5 !ruby/object:REXML::Element
<momoruby> I am traversing an xml document and want to write it into a hash.
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<momoruby> unfortunately the hash entries end up like this: https://dpaste.com/45GAP4W2T
<momoruby> the code looks like this: https://dpaste.com/29DGDNG2U
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<momoruby> so Element.name gives me a weird datatype back and not "head" as I would expect.
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<adam12> momoruby: Can you make something reproducible? Your example is hard to follow.
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<adam12> momoruby: My guess is that you’re calling `name` on something that’s not a `REXML::Element` instance. Maybe try guarding against that and see if I’m right. raise “#{node} is not an Element, but a #{node.class}” unless node.is_a?(REXML::Element)
<adam12> Unless you expect other element types of course. I’m not familar with REXML
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<TrufflePump> How do you multithread within a Ractor? Can I use Ractor.receive/Ractor.yield directly, like a queue, or do I need an actual queue in there? I ask because I'm getting some unexpected nil messages after a multithreaded Ractor.
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<havenwood> TrufflePump: Doing it for fun or need parallel processing?
<havenwood> TrufflePump: Share your code?
<havenwood> TrufflePump: Use Async with Fibers for concurrent I/O or Ractors for parallel computation. You can use Queues and Threads with Ractors, but don't necessarily need to and they're experimental and prone to errors at the moment.
<havenwood> Ractors are, I mean.
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<TrufflePump> Here's a multithreaded Ractor snippet that crashes Ruby. https://pastebin.com/1B4Fq3t4
<ruby[bot]> TrufflePump: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, it loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting. Please use https://gist.github.com
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<havenwood> TrufflePump: Yeah, that's unfortunate.
<havenwood> TrufflePump: You might want to avoid Threads inside Ractors for the time being.
<havenwood> Or at least avoid Ractors inside Threads inside Ractors.
<havenwood> TrufflePump: Consider what advantage a Thread is giving if any and avoid them if unnecessary.
<havenwood> TrufflePump: Of the two Threads, which one do you expect to Ractor.receive?
<havenwood> TrufflePump: Consider using Ractor.select().
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<Synthead> If I have a class called MyClass, and it's nested, i.e. This::Is::Where::Iam::Putting::MyClass, what would you call the "chain"? A class path? Namespace? Class chain?
<havenwood> Synthead: Yeah, "namespace."
<leftylink> hmm... I would call that the fully-qualified name
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<havenwood> Synthead: Like you'd say something like "finding a constant in the parent namespace using lexical scope."
<havenwood> - Ruby Under a Microscope
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