whitequark changed the topic of #tinyqma to: design of an open hardware DDS-based QMA with a low-voltage dc/rf stage :: http://irclog.whitequark.org/tinyqma
<bofh__> I am curious if the intermodulation you'd get from using a quadrupole ion trap instead of a Penning ion trap in FTICR would be too strong for this to be viable.
<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> not really familiar, alas
<bofh__> so we already have something capable of generating a quadrupole electric field and the capability of generating relatively precise RF frequencies on demand. that's a homogeneous magnetic field away from also implementing fourier transform induced cyclotron spectroscopy, in theory (with FTICR, the hard part is detection - but again, SDR has improved dramatically over the past few years).
<bofh__> just a completely random realization, not necessarily useful.
<bofh__> ugh I cannot wait for these next two weeks to be over (massive project deadline, after which I never have to see this codebase (mix of awful python, terrible fortran and eldritch postgresql stored statements) ever again).
<whitequark> nice
<whitequark> doesn't penning trap also use a quadrupole field?
<whitequark> different electrode configuration, maybe
<whitequark> though iirc both ion guides and traps work best with hyperbolic electrode surfaces, it's just too much of a pain to machine for ion guides
<bofh__> it does, the difference between it and a classical quadrupole (or "paul") trap is one varies the electric field over time and the other uses a constant magnetic field to trap the ions radially
<whitequark> oh
<bofh__> in both cases axial confinement is done via a quadrupole (or more complicated higher-order expansion) electric field
<bofh__> and yeah, hyperbolic electrodes are very desirable
<whitequark> are they really?
<whitequark> for ion guides, i've seen some papers that claim several sets of rods work just as well
<bofh__> for ion traps, yes
<whitequark> ah
<bofh__> for ion guides I'm not sure, but even most QMAs use hyperbolic rods
<whitequark> they do?
<whitequark> pretty much every one I've seen uses circular
<bofh__> okay the agilent ones do :P
<whitequark> hm
<bofh__> that may just be overkill though
<bofh__> it *is* agilent after all\
<bofh__> older stuff uses circular, I'm not sure how much of a benefit you get from using hyperbolic rods
<whitequark> it says how much exactly
<bofh__> oh
<bofh__> so
<bofh__> very interestingly
<bofh__> I did not know they squashed AM. But I do know that they're building a shitload of really powerful HF/VHF over-the-horizon radars.
<bofh__> http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-768.html the first of apparently 7 is already up and has already managed to personally annoy me when I last went on 20 meters.
<whitequark> OTH radars started being a thing in like sixties
<bofh__> yeah but they kinda stopped being used that much after the cold war died down
<bofh__> like it's apparently started being as bad as when Duga-3 (aka the woodpecker) was active already, if you're in EU.
<whitequark> oh wait, you mean it's an annoyance in US?
<whitequark> wow
<bofh__> ~10MHz propagates really well. It's skywave skip mostly, with decent propagation even during the day.
<whitequark> huh
<bofh__> so yeah when you design your radar to on a bad day be able to hit a circle of radius 3000km over EU, when the sunspot cycle is just the least bit favourable you'll be able to pick that up from east coast US unfortunately no problem.
<bofh__> it's just interesting that they're now building a bunch of these. and apparently iran also has one they're using now, though at a fraction of the propagation range apparently?
<whitequark> preparing for a wider war
<whitequark> i wonder when we'll see whether NATO will hold up
<bofh__> oh wow and the Brits just installed one at Akrotiri in Cyprus that's about as strong: http://i56578-swl.blogspot.ca/2015/02/uk-oth-radar-pluto.html
<bofh__> I feel like the military folks are trying to use the fact that satcom is becoming cheap to grab as much of HF as they can for themselves.
<bofh__> "well nobody uses that anymore really"
<whitequark> hm
<bofh__> also OTH radars transmit with obscenely high power (PLUTO apparently is rated at -3dBm, which honestly feels like a typo to me because what), and transmit very simple signal. That's pretty much optimal if you want to annoy people as far away as possible. :P
<whitequark> I wonder if you can jam one
<bofh__> getting it to display garbage data is an interesting question that nobody really knows the answers to atm, but it feels like there should be a way to do it.
<bofh__> on a different note, DDS being cheap means making your own AM transmitter is so simple. that was my intro to DDS actually.
<bofh__> quadrature demodulating AM with an MC1496 (multiplier) and an LTC1799.
<bofh__> an NE602 is probably trivial for you to get and is decent for most of the AM band.
<bofh__> like that's another intereting thing: zero-IF direct-conversion product detectors are now actually really easy.
<bofh__> interesting*
<whitequark> i've sort of made one
<whitequark> well, almost, i need to get it to actually transmit music
<whitequark> in a. .. nonconventional way
<bofh__> so if you're just PWMing a GPIO pin on something, just feed it the product of a sinusoid at the carrier freq with the music you want to transmit
<bofh__> AM is really simple in the fourier domain
<bofh__> all you're doing is shifting the signal from being centered around zero to being centered around your carrier frequency.
<whitequark> oooooooo it works
<whitequark> (not what you suggested quite)
<bofh__> oh my god
<bofh__> so when I listened to that video I immediately recognised both the song
<bofh__> and the keygen you most likely heard it in (nero 6.5 ultimate)
<whitequark> yes
<whitequark> well, almost. one is for nero 6.6, another is for nero 7
<whitequark> the former with chuck norris
<bofh__> yeah I'm thinking of the norris one
<bofh__> also I recall nero 7 being total shite too
<whitequark> yes. yes it was
<bofh__> fwiw, probably my favourite by that artist is this: http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=63621
<whitequark> nice
<whitequark> hm, how do i amp
<whitequark> i don't have any opamp with a gain-bandwidth product over a mhz
<whitequark> WAIT
<whitequark> WHAT THE FUCK
<whitequark> at 1:10
<whitequark> .......
<bofh__> do you literally only have like lm741s only or something?
<bofh__> (also if that's the case, push-pull a/b with a pair of transistors is probably the simplest)
<bofh__> (though like free sample some TI opamps they are absurd)
<whitequark> yeah, only lm741s
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> i have one thing.
<whitequark> a 2A FET push-pull gate driver
<bofh__> (featuring GBPs in the GHz and slew rates in the tens of kV/usec)
<whitequark> not sure about its bandwidth though
<whitequark> but slew rate it has is in nanoseconds
<bofh__> I'm thoroughly impressed that the GPIO pin on that thing appears to be more or less decently stable at 72MHz.
<bofh__> (unless that's a typo and you meant kHz)
<whitequark> it's not at 72MHz
<whitequark> 72MHz is SYSCLK
<bofh__> oh
<whitequark> the transmitter operates at 1MHz exactly
<bofh__> oops
<bofh__> I cannot read.
<whitequark> though the pin is up to 50MHz according to the DS
<bofh__> yeah that makes MUCH more sense for being in the relevant band
<whitequark> it probably (read: definitely) can't pull that at a long, non-impedance-matched line
<bofh__> lol yeah that seems unlikely.
<whitequark> bofh__: how do you call a pipettor which is put on a glass pipette in english?
* whitequark have rapidly gained familiarity with the reason for which drawing concentrated nitric by mouth is not a very good idea
<whitequark> in my defense, that's how we did it in school