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<rneese>
they need updating
<rneese>
its Debian/Ubuntu dual build system
<rneese>
so is anyone here or are you all just non active users
<rneese>
wake up
<c0rnelius>
Why in the world would anyone be using dual build of Debian and Ubuntu?
<rneese>
The system builds both debian and ubuntu
<rneese>
images you select when you build a custom img
<rneese>
as it is right now all the new desktops are ubuuntu only
<rneese>
as no one is helping us to find what desktops work on debian other then xfce
<rneese>
we have been doing alot of work on the new system to allow users choice
<rneese>
we now have Budgie/Cinnamon/Gnome/Mate/Xfce and I just got Deeping tested and we are re addingit
<rneese>
so we will have 6 Desktop Managers and soon 3 Window manages i3/xmonad/awsomewm
<rneese>
so once all done we will have alot more to offer people
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<yann>
I'm stuck with the "security check" on the forum, NoScript does not show any captcha-related site to enable, and even if I enable all domains shown I still don't get that security check. I could manually whitelist that domain if only I know what it is (but then why isn't it shown...)
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<IgorPec>
yann: you can't register or you can't login?
<yann>
I can't get the "security check", both on "register" dialog, and trying to post as unregistered user
<yann>
eximining with ff, I can see that's supposed to be an iframe from https://google.com/recaptcha, so it ought to be covered by the existing perms :(
<IgorPec>
well, you will need to register this somewhere ... i don't see any problems on our side
<IgorPec>
forum is anyway some standard pcs of software we only use
<yann>
:(
<yann>
well, maybe I can find answers here then :)
<IgorPec>
so you have troubles because it doesn't show you google catcpa or what?
<IgorPec>
if you have some security plugins that are too agressive, you need to disable them
<IgorPec>
at least for the registering part
<yann>
My nanopi-m4-2gb does boot the "current" images, but not the "legacy" ones, looks like an issue with MMC driver: https://pastebin.com/NskVMKdf
<yann>
google did not seem find other souls lost in the same realm :/
<IgorPec>
sorry, you will need to ask forum
<IgorPec>
or search for
<IgorPec>
legacy / stock kernel is not the best quality and its maintained at minimum cost
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<yann>
yeah, but "current" has non-working BT and maybe audio too on that board, I wanted to make sure the hw does indeed work
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<IgorPec>
yann: non working features is last thing you need to worry about
<yann>
:)
<IgorPec>
mainline kernel development and maintaining is mainly on community shoulders, financially.
<yann>
well, in the rockchip case they do have devs submitting to mainline
<yann>
sadly they have done so much in their old 4.4 tree (sometimes not following recommended practice) that it's not that likely we'll get everything mainlined, esp. for current/older SoCs...
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<f476>
oh, neofetch new armbian pic
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<nekomancer[m]>
And how do you make sure that it doesn’t contain persistent Chinese spyware?
<nekomancer[m]>
Without open source, you don’t. You simply weigh-in the harm between being backdoored by an American military contractor vs. a Chinese contractor and decide which one you can live with.
<bd1308>
it's a small price to pay for 8G of memory and octo-core CPU :D
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<IgorPec>
hehe, yeah
<IgorPec>
but this device would only be interested with ... armbian :)
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<IgorPec>
_william_ evening
<nekomancer[m]>
price still unpublished, but it's huawei. "sony of china".
<IgorPec>
it will certainly be over 1000 USD IMO
<IgorPec>
looks pair to apple m1
<nekomancer[m]>
yes
<nekomancer[m]>
but screen 2k 3:2 — very good
<IgorPec>
yes, finally we are going away from "movie" screens on laptops
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<bd1308>
if it's in the $400-600 range, that would be a killer laptop!
<IgorPec>
true, but i doubt they will go that low
<IgorPec>
still to get proper linux its some work
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<nekomancer[m]>
huawei not mainlines.
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<IgorPec>
i know, that will be someoneelses job
<IgorPec>
also pinebook never did
<bd1308>
It'll be interesting to see where the pricing lands --- it's a bit crowded in the $900 realm :/
<IgorPec>
but rk3399 is something different then m1 or kirin
<bd1308>
That's also true!
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<stipa>
i would buy it for 200$
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<stipa>
but i doubt it would be completely functional
<stipa>
without Armbian
<nekomancer[m]>
<stipa "i would buy it for 200$"> maybe, in 2024
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<stipa>
well, for 1000$ you buy fancy pc and do proper linux with it
<stipa>
fancy pc laptop*
<nekomancer[m]>
as usual — no video codecs HW acceleration, no bluetooth, only raw video from camera, no hybernation, half of battery life in comparison with china gov linux.
<stipa>
yeah, sonds like very cheap smartphone
<stipa>
not like a cheap tablet in case of pbp
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<IgorPec>
pbp was made around community supported chip
<stipa>
i doubt that kirin chip would be or is like that
<IgorPec>
its not
<IgorPec>
its very unlikely there will be some mainline progress, basic stuff yes, like nvidia
<IgorPec>
it boots linux, but not fancy stuff
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
maybe china hackers will do something about that
<IgorPec>
i doubt, mainline is expensive project
<IgorPec>
can't be done solo by hackers
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<IgorPec>
hacker is by definition a person looking for shortcuts ... while development is not always that way
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<stipa>
right
<stipa>
judging by how they design hardware it's very likely they won't be able to do much to make it into a fancy linux laptop
<IgorPec>
hard to say. its up to them if they will do something about, if its in their interest
<stipa>
and there's the language mental barrier
<IgorPec>
it will be interesting to see how far things will come with apple m1
<stipa>
till the next model
<IgorPec>
probably
<stipa>
M2
<IgorPec>
even i don't see a point to run linux on overpriced apple :)
<stipa>
yeah, it's just their business model
<stipa>
buy new for a year or less
<stipa>
and ditch old crap
<IgorPec>
but there are other devices in that price range, that are better ... if you look for fancy / biz type of notebook
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<IgorPec>
x86 ... but not much good arm notebooks
<stipa>
whatever does the job
<stipa>
i should stick to that one
<IgorPec>
yeah. i use notebook mainly for terminal :)
<stipa>
you mean laptop?
<IgorPec>
yeah
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
it's cool
<stipa>
laptops are perfect for terminals
<stipa>
even the old shitty ones
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<_william_>
hi IgorPec sorry i was away, how are you ?
<IgorPec>
good, working on some ci tasks for cache recreation, testing what we merged today