<beach>
That's what you typically use in those situations.
<VincentVega>
@beach yeah, I mean a utility library which would have macros like this
<beach>
There could be. But then that would be a defect in such a library.
<VincentVega>
@beach get-setf-expansion? Hmm, ok, I will look into it
<beach>
VincentVega: We don't use the @ convention on IRC. Just type the nick followed by colon. Your IRC client should complete for you.
<VincentVega>
@beach right
<VincentVega>
beach: ok
<VincentVega>
beach: thanks!
<beach>
Anytime.
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<Demosthenex>
ugh. anyone seen a CL based terminal emulator? i'm trying to hack on an extension to urxvt and gawd perl is awful
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<beach>
I believe jackdaniel was working on such a thing.
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<akronymus>
Hello there.
<beach>
Hello akronymus.
<akronymus>
The more I start to grok lisp, the more I am loving it.
<beach>
Great!
<phoe>
akronymus: welcome to the club
<akronymus>
Altough, working on in c# at work. :(
<akronymus>
Maybe I can at least get them to use f# in a greenfield project.
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<akronymus>
Hey there, luna.
<beach>
akronymus: If you start greeting people who did not utter anything, you will generate hundreds of greetings per hour, thereby adding lots of noise.
<akronymus>
Got it.
<beach>
akronymus: Many people just want to lurk.
<akronymus>
Sorry for that. I need to get used to IRC etiquette again.
<beach>
No problem.
<beach>
akronymus: So what are you using Common Lisp for?
<akronymus>
Still mostly learning.
<beach>
I see.
<akronymus>
Working my way through htdp atm.
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<akronymus>
Trees broke my brain at first.
<beach>
minion: What does htdp stand for?
<minion>
Hotly Tabacum Deprival Parceling
<phoe>
How To Design Programs
<akronymus>
How to design programs.
<beach>
Ah.
<phoe>
minion: bad bot
<contrapunctus>
ninjas
<minion>
bad bot: An error was encountered in lookup: Attempt to call an undefined alien function..
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<phoe>
...that worries me
<akronymus>
Somewhat similar to sicp, I've been told.
<contrapunctus>
minion: HTDP is How To Design Programs
<minion>
HTDP is How To Design Programs: An error was encountered in lookup: Attempt to call an undefined alien function..
<phoe>
minion: are you responding to everything with this alien function stuff
<minion>
are you responding to everything with this alien function stuff: An error was encountered in lookup: Attempt to call an undefined alien function..
<phoe>
minion: tell phoe about gentle
<minion>
phoe: direct your attention towards gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/
<beach>
Oh, so it is Scheme rather than Common Lisp?
* phoe
thinks
<akronymus>
I did most stuff, besides the graphical in CL.
<beach>
I see.
<akronymus>
Altough, I think I implemented half on scheme in CL.
<akronymus>
(Mostly through copy pasting though)
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* phoe
files a minion issue
<beach>
It might be time to replace minion.
<beach>
I think the person maintaining the code is no longer present here.
<akronymus>
With a bot written in lisp?
<beach>
minion is already written in Lisp.
<beach>
minion: Lisp?
<minion>
Lisp: "Lisp in Small Pieces". This book covers Lisp, Scheme and other related dialects, their interpretation, semantics and compilation. To sum it up in a few figures: 500 pages, 11 chapters, 11 interpreters and 2 compilers. <http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/LiSP.html>
<akronymus>
Oh awesome.
<beach>
Bah.
<beach>
minion: What are you written in?
<minion>
What are you written in: An error was encountered in lookup: Attempt to call an undefined alien function..
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<akronymus>
Anyways, gotta go. :( Got stuff to implement at work. Wish ya all a nice day.
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<shka_>
whaaaaat? replacing minion?
<shka_>
that's inhumane!
<beach>
inbotane you mean?
<shka_>
:-)
<beach>
I take it back. Apparently, minion is maintained.
<shka_>
so minion has it's own maintaining minion
<shka_>
cool
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<phoe>
don't all active software projects do
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<Demosthenex>
beach: regarding cl terminal emulator, jackdaniel was doing mcclim extensions to do terminal UIs, but an actual emulator?
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<ldb>
I'm curious what can be the benifit of having an ansi-term in CL
<ldb>
scripting feature?
<ldb>
by the way, good evening everyone
<Demosthenex>
no, i'm just trying to hack on a urxvt extension, and ugh it's all perl. i haven't touched perl in so long, i think i'm getting hives.
<Demosthenex>
i use stumpwm, i code in emacs. i love tinkering in CL. if there was a reason to leave urxvt, finding a CL based terminal would be it
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<ldb>
I'd say if you're ok with C and CFFI bindings, suckless st is a clean term emulator implementation to start with
<contrapunctus>
Demosthenex: real Common Lispers hack in Climacs 😏
<ldb>
it should not be difficult to write one in pure CL with CLX library, by mimicking what st did
<Demosthenex>
ldb: yeah, reading about st... urxvt has great scrollback support, and the hack i'm working on is to allow me to use emacs keyboard shortcuts to select and copy text in scrollback instead of using mouse.
<Demosthenex>
ldb: i could use tmux, yes, but i have *so many* terminals open at a given time, and each does not need a tmux instance.
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<Demosthenex>
ldb: just browsing the st code, holy crap that's short
<ldb>
and it doesn't rely on much other C library
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<phoe>
beach: the minion issue was closed.
<phoe>
minion: tell me about Bane, why does he wear the mask
<minion>
phoe: you speak nonsense
<phoe>
much better
<beach>
Excellent!
<beach>
Thanks for doing that.
<phoe>
beach: no problem
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<sm2n>
Demosthenex, you can share your tmux instance across your terminals, that's what I do
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<Demosthenex>
sm2n: http://demosthenes.org/tmp/screenshot2-0.png i organize my terminals spatially, by position and virtual screen location. i have 10+ open normally, but have many many more. i don't want to tmux page across all of those, especially when 2 tmux sessions can't see separate windows.
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<sm2n>
> 2 tmux sessions can't see separate windows
<sm2n>
what do you mean?
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<ChoHag>
Two terminals attached to the same tmux session will display the same contents.
<sm2n>
my tmux is setup to work just like emacs and emacsclient
<sm2n>
that's configurable
<sm2n>
each terminal has an independent view
<ChoHag>
Then append 'by default'.
<sm2n>
sure
<sm2n>
all it requires is setting your default terminal shell to `tmux new-session -t main \; new-window`
<sm2n>
I do the same thing with spatial organization of terminals etc, and this works for me
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<Demosthenex>
sm2n: then you're making 1 tmux instance per terminal.
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<sm2n>
nope
<sm2n>
well, I guess process-wise you are—is that what you're concerned about?
<sm2n>
but it shares all your "buffers"
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