#ruby-lang on 2013-02-10 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-02-06 14:15 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 1.9.3-p385: http://ruby-lang.org (ruby-2.0.0-rc1) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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00:05 <dangerousbeans> Hey

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00:10 <erikh> zenspider: hey, you around?

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00:10 <erikh> I know your stance on assert_nothing_raised, but I'm wondering how you feel about something like refute_raises

00:10 <erikh> e.g., if something raises something that's not what I specify

00:12 <zzak> vbatts: committed! thanks!

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00:14 <dangerousbeans> Hey, just incase you're interested we've built a bot - IRCNOMMER - to sentiment analysize the chat in this room and some other programming rooms. Live results here: http://ircnommer.co.uk/

00:14 <erikh> drbrain: ^

00:15 <drbrain> erikh: seems silent so far

00:15 <erikh> fair 'nuff

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00:16 <vbatts> zzak: cool

00:17 <erikh> anyhow lata

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00:20 <zzak> vbatts: i ended up nodoc'ing a lot of that internal stuff

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00:28 <zzak> drbrain: if i want to commit docs for rake

00:29 <zzak> what branch do i commit to upstream?

00:29 <drbrain> master, and if you're ambitious you can also commit to the 0.9.2 branch

00:29 <zzak> and can i just commit to trunk and then send a PR to merge?

00:30 <drbrain> sure

00:30 <zzak> ok, awesome

00:31 <zzak> im going through the stuff in ./doc/rake from trunk and weeding it out first

00:31 <drbrain> cool

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00:31 <zzak> that is like the last one still in ./doc that is left to check

00:32 <vbatts> zzak: that's cool

00:32 <zzak> i am writing docs in between rounds of killing bad guys

00:32 <zzak> they finally released CSS for the linux client

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04:55 <alex57> hello

04:56 <alex57> I'd like to ask for your help on a simple Ruby script to send out email. It works on one PC (Windows) and not on another (Linux)

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05:13 <brain_shim> alex57: you still there?

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05:25 <alex571> can anybody help me please ?

05:26 <brain_shim> hey again

05:26 <brain_shim> I had to register my nick with freenode

05:26 <brain_shim> back to help!

05:26 <alex571> thank you

05:27 <brain_shim> So, basically the fastest way to get help is to post your code on a pastebin

05:27 <brain_shim> ever done that before?

05:27 <alex571> no

05:27 <brain_shim> go to http://pastie.org

05:27 <brain_shim> and put your code in the box,

05:28 <brain_shim> and submit it, and you will get a link you can share

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05:29 <brain_shim> Ruby is multi-platform, but sometimes the OS specific dependencies behave differently

05:29 <brain_shim> :)

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05:29 <alex571> I'll do that, but the code is very simple, like it apears in many tutorials. It's just that it works when I try it from one machine and it fails from another

05:29 <charliesome> most rubyists assume their code will be running on a posix os too

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05:30 <brain_shim> Then you need to share what the particular error is

05:31 <brain_shim> there are a lot of possible reasons

05:31 <alex571> The code is this http://pastie.org/6107871

05:31 <brain_shim> looking at it right now...

05:32 <brain_shim> kk

05:32 <alex571> and when it's working (Windows) I can see the debug trace of the connection. When I try it from Linux I don't get any trace, just a timeout on the socket

05:32 <brain_shim> paste the error

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05:33 <brain_shim> i was getting socket errors earlier myself this evening

05:33 <brain_shim> there are some error handlers you can wrap network calls with

05:33 <alex571> this is the timeout error I'm getting http://pastie.org/6107882

05:35 <brain_shim> cool cool

05:35 <brain_shim> it may be enough to just give it a longer time out

05:35 <brain_shim> but ima do some googlin'

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05:36 <alex571> I have done lots of googlin'

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05:37 <brain_shim> have you seen this?

05:37 <brain_shim> http://community.sendgrid.com/sendgrid/topics/smtp_timing_out_all_of_the_sudden_most_of_the_time

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05:38 <alex571> I don't think it's just a matter of switchin ports, because the same script works in Windows

05:38 <brain_shim> Usually it's the other way around ;)

05:39 <brain_shim> hmmmm....

05:40 <alex571> Actually in Windows I can successfully run even a more advanced script, using TLS on port 587 (same server)

05:41 * brain_shim looks at zee docs...

05:41 <alex571> At first I thought I was missing some gems, as my gem list is empty on Linux. Could that be tha case ?

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05:43 <brain_shim> It depends if this script depends on any other gems,

05:43 <brain_shim> but I doubt it.

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05:44 <brain_shim> The error looks like it's using the correct gem, just timing out.

05:44 <brain_shim> Is the port explicitly defined earlier in your script?

05:44 <brain_shim> All the examples I see on Ruby-lang specify port 25

05:44 <alex571> I'm just requiring 'net/smtp' and there is no problem with that

05:45 <alex571> yes, port 25 and it works in Windows

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05:45 <alex571> how can I increase the timeout

05:46 <brain_shim> looking into it right now

05:47 <brain_shim> I just went through that process with open-uri

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05:50 <brain_shim> http://pastie.org/6107923

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05:50 <brain_shim> It's kind of gross, but I was able to debug my crashes a bit better.

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05:50 <brain_shim> basically you've got this begin,rescue,end thing going on that catches the standard erros

05:51 <brain_shim> *errors

05:51 <brain_shim> open-uri has this (open(site, :read_timeout=>5)) hash-key option

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05:51 <brain_shim> need to check if/where that exists with smtp

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05:53 <alex571> Thankyou for the code. I will try it out, but I didn't think I was getting any exceptions in my script, just regular timeout messages

05:53 <brain_shim> http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/net/smtp/rdoc/Net/SMTP.html#method-i-read_timeout-3D

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05:56 <brain_shim> Check #ruby too, they seem to be a slightly less lethargic channel.

05:56 <brain_shim> :)

05:58 <alex571> I added the line smtp.read_timeout=120 to my script but it didn't make much difference

05:58 <zzak> whats the problem?

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05:58 <brain_shim> My friend is getting smtp timeouts in his script (http://pastie.org/6107871, http://pastie.org/6107882#)

05:59 <brain_shim> We're wondering the best way to increase the time out.

05:59 <alex571> keeping in mind that the same script is okay in Windows and fails in Linux

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06:07 <zzak> try setting smtp.read_timeout and smtp.open_timeout?

06:08 <darix> i would rather check if the linux box can talk to the smtpd in first place

06:08 <darix> like netcat smtphost 25

06:09 <alex57> netcat: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known

06:09 <darix> alex57: you replaced smtphost with the right hostname yes?

06:09 <alex57> ye

06:09 <alex57> s

06:09 <darix> ok

06:10 <darix> well then you have a problem resolving the name already.

06:10 <zzak> yea

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06:13 <alex57> actually the same script (besides working in Windows) it also works ok if I use another smtp server

06:13 <darix> so the server is the problem

06:13 <darix> not your script

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06:13 <darix> test with netcat if you see the same issues

06:13 <alex57> but it works from Windows, so how can it be the server ?

06:14 <darix> alex57: does it work on windows from the *same* machine

06:14 <darix> just dual boot

06:14 <darix> or is it a different machine

06:14 <darix> with different routing

06:14 <darix> it seems it cant resolve the dns name

06:14 <darix> so many options that can go wrong

06:14 <darix> firewalls come to mind

06:14 <alex57> different machine

06:15 <alex57> same LAN

06:16 <alex57> netcat with the other smtp server seemed to resolve the server name and replied with 220 and later with 421 Error: timeout exceeded

06:16 <darix> try "host smtphost" on the linux machine

06:17 <darix> check it's /etc/resolv.conf that it is using the same as the windows box

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06:18 <darix> so many options

06:18 <darix> i am sure you will figure it out

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06:22 <alex57> Sorry in my previous netcat attempt I mispelled the server name on the command line. When I retried it just hangs there...

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06:24 <alex57> I don't have netcat on Windows to make a comparison

06:25 <alex57> after a long timeout (about 4 minutes) it came back to the prompt with no message whatsoever. Is that good ?

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06:26 <alex57> when I try host smtp.gmx.com it resolves the address okay

06:28 <alex57> the file /etc/resolv.conf has only one line: nameserver 127.0.0.1

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06:34 <alex57> Is there anything else you can suggest ?

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06:46 <alex57> Thank you to those who tried to help me so far

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06:59 <brain_shim> :)

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11:43 <charliesome> how can i find the path to the ruby binary>

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12:25 <darix> charliesome: rbconfig

12:25 <charliesome> ah yeah got it

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12:27 <darix> RUBY_INSTALL_NAME

12:28 <darix> and bindir

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12:35 <banisterfiend> charliesome: RbConfig.ruby

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13:02 <darix> oh nice

13:02 <darix> hi banisterfiend

13:03 <banisterfiend> sup

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15:24 <yfeldblum> how do you exit early from a class scope? class XYZ ; exit_early if ABC == 3 ; ... ; end

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15:28 <Mon_Ouie> You can't (well, I suppose throw, etc. would work… but why?)

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15:45 <yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, e.g. using a constant from a gem that you may have required ... or maybe not ... and you don't want the class body to raise in case that constant doesn't exist

15:48 <Mon_Ouie> You can just use regular conditionals for that

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15:56 <yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, of course, but suppose the class scope does that six or seven times?

15:56 <yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, and you'd like to indent one less level?

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15:57 <yfeldblum> Mon_Ouie, i'm asking about a return-early vs nested-conditionals style; the latter is easy, but i'm asking about the former

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18:23 <Okasu> http://ideone.com/0hQu6x Factorial through inheritance.(just a joke) :)

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18:29 <havenwood> Any refactoring suggestions? Both #finish and #keccak seem dense to me. https://gist.github.com/havenwood/4747260

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19:13 <yfeldblum> havenwood, does it really matter?

19:13 <injekt> looks ok to me, there's a C ext impl of keccak for ruby around too iirc

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19:14 <yfeldblum> havenwood, just get a whole bunch of test vectors to make sure it's not broken

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19:15 <yfeldblum> havenwood, you could get rid of some unnecessary string allocations though

19:15 <zzak> anyone in the boston area?

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19:15 <zzak> we need a second speaker on tuesday, the other presenter just had a baby :D

19:15 <havenwood> injekt: yeah, the Phusion guys did a C-ext, I just really wanted to get it in idiomatic Ruby for fun

19:16 <havenwood> injekt: or Ruby versions without C-ext support, I guess

19:16 <havenwood> yfeldblum: hrmm, tests...

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19:19 <havenwood> yfeldblum: I need to try to understand the permutations better so I can add performance tests.

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21:16 <havenwood> Any OP on? Bump /title to ruby-2.0.0-rc2?

21:16 <injekt> zenspider drbrain_

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21:18 <zzak> ape usually does that

21:18 <injekt> lol ape

21:18 <injekt> that's definitely his new name

21:19 <zzak> :D

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21:19 <havenwood> Would be nice to do a comparison of Unicorn memory usage between 1.9.3 and 2.0.0, see what benefit copy-on-write friendly gc brings. What would be a good tool to measure memory usage of Unicorn processes?

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21:31 <whitequark> havenwood: top

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21:31 <havenwood> whitequark: hrm?

21:32 <havenwood> whitequark: ahh, gotcha

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21:33 <havenwood> whitequark: top -l, etc, yeah that makes sense, i need to `man` me some `top`

21:34 <havenwood> whitequark: Would love to have something like VisualVM for CRuby.

21:34 <havenwood> tooling ftw?

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21:45 drbrain_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 1.9.3-p385: http://ruby-lang.org (ruby-2.0.0-rc2) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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21:45 <drbrain> injekt: done!

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21:55 <injekt> \o/

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21:56 <zzak> maybe a job for dtrace

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21:58 <zzak> anyone in the US looking for a few extra hours of work a week?

21:59 <injekt> ruby-build is awful

21:59 <bougyman> everything is awful

21:59 <bougyman> ruby included

21:59 <injekt> ^

21:59 <bougyman> zzak: yes, sir, always

22:00 <bougyman> pm

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22:02 <zzak> how much do you charge to hide in a closet? what about under the bed?

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22:04 <whitequark> bougyman: clang is pretty nice

22:05 <injekt> blah issues compiling 1.9.3-p358 now :(

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22:12 <bougyman> whitequark: agreed.

22:12 <bougyman> but it's awful

22:12 <bougyman> because gcc binaries still kick its butt.

22:12 <bougyman> and gcc is awful

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22:17 <whitequark> bougyman: judging by phoronix reports, it depends on the task

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22:17 <whitequark> plus unlike gcc, llvm/clang are being actively developed. which is more important.

22:17 <bougyman> whitequark: agreed.

22:17 <bougyman> but in the real world, clang has failed for me, in production.

22:17 <bougyman> specifically with freeswitch and some other telecom products.

22:18 <bougyman> yate, openser

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22:18 <bougyman> so: awfule

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22:22 <whitequark> bougyman: hm, how in particular?

22:22 <whitequark> I wonder how you could get such horrible results

22:23 <bougyman> fewer calls per second, crashes (with freeswitch and yate)

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22:41 <whitequark> bougyman: that sounds like a miscompilation

22:41 <whitequark> you should've reported it.

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23:19 <UziMonkey> I dumped the syntax tree of a and rendered it with graphviz http://i2.minus.com/iBZSMVKEJjQfI.png

23:19 <UziMonkey> *of a program

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