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<theoros> zenspider: curious, the second one works!
<zenspider> theoros: the semicolon forces ruby to use /bin/sh -c '...'
<theoros> zenspider: thanks. /usr/bin/time doesn't exist on my system, i tried it when i went googling
<theoros> zenspider: ah, useful to know, although a bit mysterious
<zenspider> as does | or >, etc.
<theoros> (if you don't know it)
<zenspider> if it looks plain enough, it tries to use execvc straight up.
<zenspider> cheaper and easier overall
<theoros> i switched to Benchmark.realtime in the end :)
<zenspider> HOLY FUCK rspec is inefficient
<zenspider> or that.
<zenspider> if all you want is wall clock, that's great
<theoros> yep
<theoros> still shelling out, but hey
<zenspider> right now I'm using /usr/bin/time -l so I can get resident memory from the process as well... because rspec... ick
<zenspider> depending on the resolution you need: def bench; t0 = Time.now; yield; Time.now - mt0; end
<zenspider> bench do ... end
<zenspider> err.. . t = bench do ... end
<zenspider> that should get you wallclock times down to milliseconds or so
<theoros> only needed hundredths of a second, i think, but yeah i could've gone for that one too
<theoros> i guess micro is nice to have just because
<zenspider> ARGH... wtf rspec... why you take so long?!?!?
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<zenspider> daaaaamn
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<zenspider> I don't even know how to guess how rspec goes so slow and soooo big in those cases
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<UziMonkey> this might sound silly, but does anyone know of a better name of these and where I can order them locally? http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/456068972/Plastic_small_plastic_clips.html
<UziMonkey> wrong channel again... :P
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<judofyr> morning!
<apeiros_> moin
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<apeiros_> ooooh, nice
<apeiros_> if you inherit from String, methods like sub return the subclass, not String
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<postmodern> apeiros_, nice that must be new
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<apeiros_> postmodern: indeed, I was pretty sure it used to be different
<apeiros_> at least I seem to remember having written a wrapper/metathingy to make that easy
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<_bart> What the difference of this channel compared to #ruby ?
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<yorickpeterse> This one is for the cool guys
<yorickpeterse> and the official one
<_bart> yorickpeterse: Haha, I expected that answer, fair enough
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<_bart> I'd argue that Ruby on not really about redundancy, and the '-lang' part is redundant.
<_bart> Anyway, I just tried to run `rvm install 1.9.3-p385`, but while installing, I get this error: There was an error while trying to resolve rubygems version for 'latest'. Any ideas?
<apeiros_> yorickpeterse: so #ruby is for the hot guys? or for the cool girls? *unsure*
<yorickpeterse> apeiros_: No, for the zeno scum
<yorickpeterse> * xeno
<apeiros_> cool, I'm zeno scum!
* apeiros_ achievement unlocked
<yorickpeterse> _bart: it should log the process to a file
<_bart> Ah, I did a reinstall, and it ran fine, weird weird stuff!
<yorickpeterse> Your best bet is to start looking in that file (it should mention the file path)
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<postmodern> _bart, more basic questions in #ruby (how to install etc)
<postmodern> _bart, also ask in #rvm
<_bart> Haha, already got it working guys, now moving on to the cool stuff
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<yorickpeterse> postmodern: hey that new chruby release has a fix for Tmux, does that mean I can remove my chruby_reset hack from my bashrc?
<yorickpeterse> there one where you'd do `chruby_reset; chruby ....`
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, it should fix it, i don't use tmux personally
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, the fix is in auto.sh, which resets state on initial load
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<yorickpeterse> sweet
<yorickpeterse> I have to say that chruby is pretty fucking baller
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, danke :)
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, i have plans on extracting setup.sh into a small util
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, make it the chruby of ruby installers
<yorickpeterse> eh? I think ruby-build mostly solves that issue
<postmodern> now if only the maintainer of ohmyzsh would fix their ruby plugin!
<judofyr> yeah, ruby-build works great for me together with chruby :)
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, mostly, except it doesn't integrate with the system package manager, and you have to update it constantly
<yorickpeterse> Though the way you apply patches in ruby-build is a bit annoying
<yorickpeterse> postmodern: well that's part of the point, most package managers have shit versions of Ruby
<postmodern> also you have to use CONFIG_OPTS which is awkward imho
<yorickpeterse> or patch them (Ubuntu), lag behind (Debian/Ubuntu) or only have the latest one (Arch)
<yorickpeterse> Though Arch has the rollback whatever repo
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, no, i mean ruby-build can't install dependencies for building ruby
<yorickpeterse> aah
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, it expects openssl, zlib, etc are pre-installed
<yorickpeterse> Yeah I can see that being useful
<postmodern> i really just want to do: ruby-install ruby-1.9.3-p123 --configure-options-here ...
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<theoros> darix: huh, neat, this might explain why i was recently getting microsecond differences with Time.now arithmetic despite using Timecop
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<chekcmate> Rails for Zombies yaay!
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<charliesome> headius: welcome to melbourne!
<headius> thank you!
<charliesome> how are you liking it so far?
<injekt> moin
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<headius> well, I've been working on my workshop most of the day, but what I've seen so far is nice :-)
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<charliesome> awesome
<charliesome> if you're heading to the wednesday night 'tba' event, maybe i'll see you there
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<yorickpeterse> nerds in the bus
<yorickpeterse> * bush
<yorickpeterse> ffs
<yorickpeterse> wait, that sounds awfully wrong
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<injekt> nerds in the bush eh
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<charliesome> lols
<injekt> nerds down under
<charliesome> i will have you know that melbourne isn't the bush
<judofyr> oh boy. now I'm suddenly writing my own todo tool :(
<charliesome> judofyr: is it in node.js
<judofyr> charliesome: vim
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<charliesome> judofyr: but are you using ember.js
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<judofyr> charliesome: yes, I implemented node.js in vimscript so I can user ember.js to connect to my MongoDB-database through a node.js proxy
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<injekt> it's turds all the way down
<charliesome> judofyr: sounds like a todo list to me!
<charliesome> :~)
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<judofyr> but seriously: vim plugin + Ruby query
<judofyr> so I can write "> !done && due!(5.days)" and it will give me a nice list
<yorickpeterse> judofyr: why don't you write it in PHP?
<yorickpeterse> PHP is a perfectly capable language
<judofyr> you guys are terrible…
<injekt> id use haskell
<judofyr> NEVERMIND
<charliesome> personally i would use slash
<injekt> psh you would
<charliesome> youve probably never even heard of it
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<injekt> actually I read over most of the source, charliesome
<injekt> nice work, btw
<charliesome> oh sweet
<charliesome> no glaring issues?
<injekt> I wasn't looking for them, but from what I could see it looked like a neat idea
<yorickpeterse> NUFF SAID
<charliesome> injekt: i bet you can see my ruby bias showing :p
<injekt> charliesome: haha yes
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<charliesome> i want to add doc comments/some form of inline documentation but i can't think of a nice way to do it that's easy to modify my parser to look for
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<injekt> yorickpeterse: fuck you i read most of that crap
<injekt> charliesome: heh, I think that's a really hard thing to get right
<charliesome> a block of comments above method/class definitions would be the nicest, but hard given that my lexer/parser operate independently
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: that thread made me angry
<injekt> and they'll be ignored before parsing?
<charliesome> injekt: basically
<charliesome> i wonder if it'd be good to take the opportunity to rewrite the parser with a peg
<yorickpeterse> welcome to the world of the blind
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: let me get this straight - this dan kaminsky guy, is he somewhat influential?
<yorickpeterse> "I have this hammer, it's kinda retarded and doesn't have a stick to hold on to. However, I've been using it for decades and it works fine! You should use it too!"
<yorickpeterse> charliesome: he's some security dude I believe
<charliesome> >security dude
<charliesome> >php fan?
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<injekt> he seems to just play devils advocate most of the time
<andrewvos> Basically you can pretty much always replace the term "devils advocate" with "cockbag"
<injekt> he seems to just play cockbag most of the time
<injekt> that didn't quite work out
<injekt> it sounds like a college drinking game
<andrewvos> It does
<andrewvos> Not a fun one
<yorickpeterse> You drink cock bags with co-workers?
<charliesome> judofyr: dammit i was about to OH that
<judofyr> charliesome: too fast for yah
<injekt> cute
<charliesome> yes yes yes: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7883
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<chekcmate> yorickpeterse: that just sounds wrong ._.
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<yorickpeterse> well he brought it up
<yorickpeterse> don't shoot the messenger
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<injekt> it's andrewvos' fault
<chekcmate> "did you mean cowbag"?
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<chekcmate> you don't mean your testicles when talking about cock bag, right?
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<injekt> why wouldn't he mean that?
<chekcmate> which would actually be a more acceptable one, since it's actually a back
<injekt> i dont even
<chekcmate> it's knitted
<chekcmate> aren't you a fan
<chekcmate> ?
<chekcmate> egg warmer
<yorickpeterse> injekt | he seems to just play cockbag most of the time
<yorickpeterse> injekt | it sounds like a college drinking game
<yorickpeterse> Oh wait, college
<yorickpeterse> I read collegue
<chekcmate> oooohhhh
<chekcmate> vanilla bean hurray!
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<andrewvos> haha quoted by two people on twitter <3 <3
<yorickpeterse> You must be some Twitter super star
<andrewvos> judofyr,charliesome
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<judofyr> :D
<judofyr> brb, lunch
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<injekt> default method argument values are evaluated within the context of the method, right?
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<yorickpeterse> yes
<yorickpeterse> e.g.
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<yorickpeterse> def foo(first, second = first.whatever) # dat shit be cool yo
<andrewvos> whoa
<andrewvos> coo
<injekt> yeah
<injekt> always forget that, feels foreign
<andrewvos> that's quite useful that is
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<manveru> even works w
<manveru> even works with kwargs
<manveru> ->(a: "hi", b: a.strip){ [a,b] }.(a: "yay ")
<manveru> => ["yay ", "yay"]
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<injekt> :)
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<judofyr> def foo(a, b = (c = 2; 3)); [a, b, c]; end
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<judofyr> ooo:
<judofyr> ef map(head = (res = []), *tail, &blk); res || [yield(head), *map(*tail, &blk)] end
<manveru> lol
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<judofyr> def reverse(head = (res = []), *tail); res || [*reverse(*tail), head] end
<injekt> vomit
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<judofyr> I like the double-star: *map(*tail)
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<soahccc> has_many :orders
<soahccc> damn
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<judofyr> wrong window?
<andrewvos> Coding rails in #ruby-lang is punishable by death
<soahccc> Xchat on mac has some weird shortcuts to switch between tabs instead of selecting text :) This was the last bit of a message in a wrong window
<soahccc> but yeah, who throws the first stone? :)
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<certainty> me! quick! someone get me a stone
<certainty> :)
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<jtoy_> what is the recommended way to share private libraries in a company, I would like to use something like gems
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<benwoody> jtoy_, we use https://github.com/cwninja/geminabox
<jtoy_> benwoody: that is sweet
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<jtoy_> surprised it doesn't offer any very simple auth
<benwoody> they suggest basic auth with Rack::Auth
<benwoody> but yeah, it would be nice if we could segment what we have with built in auth
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<savagecroc> any idea how to get a string and strip all but 1 space out of it
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<injekt> savagecroc: you'll need to be a little more detailed..
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<savagecroc> "- - - - - - - - -" becomes "- - - - - - - - - - - -"
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<savagecroc> oh i've worked it out
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<injekt> .squeeze ' '
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<savagecroc> ' - - - - -- - -'.gsub(/\s{2,}/, ' ')
<savagecroc> oh that works too :)
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<injekt> you could also do .gsub(/\s+/, ' ')
<savagecroc> oh yeah of course
<injekt> but squeeze is nice :)
<savagecroc> ah actually
<savagecroc> yeah sorry the real example is actually "--bla-this --and-bla-that --and-something=wahtever"
<savagecroc> so the gsub is the one
<judofyr> savagecroc: .squeeze works fine here
<judofyr> on that str
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<injekt> judofyr: maybe he meant that newline literally
<injekt> if so squeeze would leave it there, gsub would replace it
<savagecroc> ah yeah sorry.. yeah.. poor examples
<savagecroc> but yeah squeeze works for the flat one
<injekt> lol flat one
<judofyr> gsub it is then :)
<injekt> guys make sure your strings are flat
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<savagecroc> that's the example
<injekt> much better example
<savagecroc> and it works too
<injekt> should have lead with that ;)
<savagecroc> yeah sorry :)
<savagecroc> i was in the middle of writing it
<savagecroc> i like having very descriptive commands in this server setup tool i've been writing
<savagecroc> also means i should be able to start sticking in comments after things
<judofyr> savagecroc: even better: *CMD.split(/\s+/) and don't invoke the shell :)
<savagecroc> judofyr: i'm confused :/ what do you mean don't invoke the shell?
<andrewvos> Or use `system "command", "arg", "arg"`
<judofyr> savagecroc: sorry, I mean: call the command with an Array instead of a String (that way you don't have the shell splitting stuff on spaces)
<judofyr> like andrewvos shows
<injekt> yeah I much prefer that
<savagecroc> oh .. hmm
<injekt> you could also not even split it and just do %w( ... )
<savagecroc> i'd have to rewrite my run command
<savagecroc> it only takes a string at the moment
<injekt> you send it to system() ?
<judofyr> injekt: ooh. now that's a nice idea
<injekt> then you can just send an array
<savagecroc> nah.. i'm using open4
<injekt> judofyr: i get them sometimes!
<savagecroc> this mainly gets tunneled out to remote servers
<judofyr> inkjet: quite impressive
<injekt> in fact, even if you were forced to use a string
<injekt> I'd still use %w()
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<judofyr> yeah %w() * ' '
<injekt> psh getting all fancy with * over join
<injekt> judoftry: quite impressive
<injekt> fuck
<savagecroc> so i'm guessing %w() splits on \n
<injekt> judoftry bahaha
<injekt> savagecroc: splits on whitespace
<savagecroc> ah right
<injekt> %w(foo bar) #=> ['foo', 'bar']
<savagecroc> ah how's that different from %w{foo bar}
<injekt> %w(foo\nbar) #=> ['foo', 'bar']
<judofyr> %w*foo bar**%* *
<savagecroc> or it's not?
<injekt> savagecroc: it's not
<injekt> the ( or { or *sigh*, judofyr * are just delimiters
<judofyr> savagecroc: Bring Your Own Delimiters
<savagecroc> ahh is it %w!WHATEVER!bla bla!WHATEVER!
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<savagecroc> yeah i get it
<injekt> that wouldn't be valid
<injekt> but yeah
<injekt> right that was an example
<injekt> go to bed injekt
<savagecroc> i love heredoc so much
<savagecroc> it makes so much stuff readable
<injekt> i hate heredocs
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<savagecroc> ok challange
<injekt> i dont really, im just being a cockbag
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<savagecroc> https://gist.github.com/freedomfreddy/363db9dd858b588cf91d << how would you do that so its still pretty without heardoc?
<injekt> mother of god, i would put it inside a damn file
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<savagecroc> it's so short thought, didn't seem worth it
<injekt> short??
<savagecroc> though* a massive one
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<savagecroc> i was doing string replacement
<savagecroc> for a config file
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<injekt> I would use a template if it were me
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<injekt> erb or something quick and easy, then you can add a method which returns that text with variables bound to it
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<savagecroc> yeah
<savagecroc> ok.. fair point
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<savagecroc> what about for little little bits like this
<savagecroc> bare in mind.. it looks much better in sublime
<savagecroc> because it can actually syntax highlight ruby properly
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<andrewvos> `mvn clean install` <- SO MUCH FUN
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<injekt> mvn itself kinda of contradicts your statement
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<rubarlion> Does anyone know what the 'boards' in electrical appliances such as microwaves
<rubarlion> || coffee makers are called?
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<badeball> rubarlion: pcb?
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<rubarlion> badeball: ah, yeah ty
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<andrewvos> injekt: You don't like doing EVERYTHING in XML? What is wrong with you, bro?
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<injekt> andrewvos: yeah I know, im a weird kinda guy
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<RickHull> i've got a mini lib that does some command line prompting, reading and writing $stdin, $stdout
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<RickHull> for unit testing, can i test whether $stdout had some lines written to it?
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<RickHull> the one method i'm concerned with allows passing in IOs other than $stdin/out, so i could take that approach
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<heftig> RickHull: pass a StringIO
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<RickHull> makes sense, thx
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<RickHull> i'm still curious if you can test $stdout tho...
<badeball> RickHull: my take would be to create an application entry point of sorts where you specify what streams to use for input and output. don't use stdin or stdout directly.
<badeball> doing that, you could test it by giving it something other than stdout.
<heftig> RickHull: mock $stdout by replacing it with a StringIO
<RickHull> badeball: yeah that's built in already
<heftig> it's a variable, afterall
<RickHull> heftig: yep, understood :)
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<RickHull> nonetheless i remain curious :p
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