apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<heyhey> hey quick question if I have a paragraph and I want to find out the character that appears the most how would I go about doing that?
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<bnagy> any one of a dozen or so ways
<heyhey> hmmmm
<heyhey> any thing I could search for documentation ?
<bnagy> the clearest is probably to use #chars then use a counting Hash then take the max of the keys
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<bnagy> uh key with the max value
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<zenspider> heyhey: sounds like homework!
<centrx> heyhey, What have you tried so far?
<zenspider> yay! that's the _perfect_ response
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<heyhey> Yeah its homework and Ill post a gist in a second
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<heyhey> I have no idea what im doing lol https://gist.github.com/Charlesfoodog/d4db74c4c235d2a39fcf
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<heyhey> i was just trying to use assignment and then trying to parase through the information so I can could the most chars? no idea its sloppy and awful I know
<zenspider> it's not sloppy... it's totally incomplete. that doesn't even parse.
<heyhey> lol
<heyhey> fuck
<zenspider> not lol. we're not gonna do your homework for you. You need to show some effort and be asking specific questions about problems you're having.
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<centrx> At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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<heyhey> haha
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<zenspider> canadian? damn... and I thought you were a lazy american college/HS student.
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<zenspider> time for me to head off to my study group... where I actually did my own work.
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<centrx> +1 for learning it yourself
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<heyhey> soooo I just use a method to go through information?
<heyhey> or an array... hash..?
<heyhey> alright I'll just as my prof but thanks for the docs as well
<jaimef> (Class.methods - Object.methods).sort #This is what I wanted for uncommon method discovery in new classes!
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<pipework> jaimef: self.methods(false)
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<workmad3> jaimef: also Class.public_instance_methods(false)
<drbrain> pipework: that's OK when the class you're looking at has Object as its superclass
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<drbrain> if the superclass has other useful methods you won't see them
<pipework> drbrain: What?
<pipework> Are you sure?
<drbrain> pipework: yeah, I tried it with DateTime
<pipework> self.class.methods(false) seems like it wouldn't depend on object, would it?
<drbrain> pipework: that shows just self.class' methods, but no inherited methods at all
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<drbrain> self.class.methods - Object.methods shows inherited methods between self.class and Object
<pipework> drbrain: Oh, they just wanted everything but Object's methods.
<drbrain> ↑ yes
<drbrain> subtle distinction that doesn't matter most of the time
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<pipework> Yeah. I guess I just usually want whatever's really unique to that object's class. Oops.
<drbrain> most ruby code I see has Object has the superclass, so often they're equivalent
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<drbrain> dinner time!
<pipework> drbrain: Can I work on the code you work on? :(
<drbrain> pipework: hehehe
* pipework is mired in much less interesting things
<drbrain> of course you can, its all open source!
* pipework pushes drbrain out of his chair
<drbrain> dinner for real
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<nikitsaraf> hey, anyone having experience with "dashing" by Shopify ?
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<maloik> some yes
<maloik> oh, already gone
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<ngw> hi everyone
<ngw> I have 2 gems both with Google scope
<ngw> are they mutually exclusive?
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<tbuehlmann> ngw, well, the namespace will be the same and collisions are possible
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<ngw> tbuehlmann: I know, but apparently the second one I require in my Gemfile doesn't seem to exist
<ngw> which is very weird
<tbuehlmann> what does not exist?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<andrewvos> Is there any way I can be notified when some class inherits from my class?
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<andrewvos> For example, ClassB < ClassA. I want ClassB to be told that ClassA is inheriting it
<andrewvos> Is that even the right word?
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<yorickpeterse> class Foo; def self.extended(by); p by; end; end
<andrewvos> Oh cool
<andrewvos> Thanks yorickpeterse
<yorickpeterse> >> class Foo; def self.extended(by); p 'HELLO'; end; end; class Bar < Foo; end
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => nil (https://eval.in/123002)
<yorickpeterse> errr
<yorickpeterse> something along those lines
<yorickpeterse> errr I think it was inherited
<yorickpeterse> >> class Foo; def self.inherited(by); p 'HELLO'; end; end; class Bar < Foo; end
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => "HELLO" ... (https://eval.in/123004)
<yorickpeterse> yeah
<andrewvos> oh ok
<andrewvos> thanks again
<yorickpeterse> ( ¯3¯)
<andrewvos> oh this wont work in rails will it
<andrewvos> oh god
<yorickpeterse> of course it will?
<andrewvos> I don't think these classes get loaded until I use them
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<yorickpeterse> oh yeah
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<andrewvos> NOOOOOOOO
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<zenspider> andrewvos: it's pretty useless anyhow, since it is done at the time of the class X < Y line, not at the end (when it has all its stuff in it that you might want to play with)
<zenspider> drives me bonkers. I wish we had a hook for the end of the subclass' block
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<andrewvos> zenspider: Yeah I'm going to just have to hardcode a list of class names I think :/
<andrewvos> zenspider: What I actually have is this: class Notification... class FacebookNotification < Notification
<andrewvos> And in the Notification class I want to get a list of Notification classes that are supported
<andrewvos> I suppose inherited would work, because I am only storing the type of class
<andrewvos> But yeah, I still would need to manually require each file to get around rails being crazy
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<zenspider> is this for a plugin system, or are you just being lazy?
<zenspider> luckily for you, bundler has this lovely "feature" that requires the default lib file for you...
<zenspider> one more reason bundler should be burned to the ground
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<andrewvos> zenspider: Nah this is just for an app in rails. I have a whole lot of notifications that the user can get by email, and eaach one is its own class
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<andrewvos> zenspider: And I want to show a settings page where you can disable certain notification types
<andrewvos> zenspider: So I need a list of supported notifications
<andrewvos> zenspider: And I don't want to hardcode them in there
<andrewvos> (if I don't have to)
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<zenspider> andrewvos: I'd force it via require then
<zenspider> ok. need to pack for MWRC and get to bed.
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<maloik> mwrc ?
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<threeifbywhiskey> The Mountain West Ruby Conference.
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<maloik> oh right
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<mechan1c_> b???j
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<yorickpeterse> Euruko cancelled D:
<maloik> :/
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<Kero> too bad
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: was about to ask why... then found out it was scheduled to be in kiev...
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<osef_> a
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<osef_> Hi there, I would like know where the "require" method is defined (Ruby 1.9.3) and where I can find this file in my Ruby directory ? (Linux OS). Thanks :)
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<osef_> But it must be somehow be implemented in Ruby, isn't it ? What file contains the def require (some parameters), used when I require a module in my Ruby programs ?
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<yorickpeterse> The above file
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<yorickpeterse> MRI "binds" this to Ruby land using a the C API
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/b0c5f5f0bfe446b898d42822f9e9dc04f391ca2a/README.EXT this is a technical description of parts of said API
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<Lewix> hello
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<ag_> hello Oo
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<yorickpeterse> ( ¯3¯)
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<ag_> can somebody help me with bootstrap3 and rails4 >
<ag_> ?
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<yorickpeterse> just ask your question
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<yorickpeterse> I PRESENT TO YOU, THE BEST WAY TO ITERATE ON A HASH:
<yorickpeterse> SURPRISE: THE INPUT HASH IS ALREADY A HASH
<yorickpeterse> as in, :ratings is basically {:foo => :bar}
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<mlangenberg> Can you find a better way to convert the number 201411 to the last day of that week? Date.commercial(*/(\d{4})(\d{2})/.match('201411').captures.map(&:to_i), 7)
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<apeiros> mlangenberg: Date.commercial(date[0,4].to_i, date[4,2].to_i, , 7)
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<apeiros> minus the superfluous ", "
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<mlangenberg> Ah, yes, positions are fixed, so we can do without regex
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<apeiros> mlangenberg: suspect to Y10K bug, though! beware!
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<mlangenberg> lol
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<mlangenberg> kinda want to make this an extension to date. Date.from_yearweek('201412'), but I hate monkey patching stdlib. Where would you put it?
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<ljarvis> I think in this case, monkey patching is fine. However, I'd throw it in some date helping module
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<ljarvis> bonus points for module_function
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<apeiros> mlangenberg: IMO that's an Interval, not a Date. Ruby still has no class for that :(
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<apeiros> i.e., Interval.parse('201412', '%G%V'), and Interval.iso8601('2012W12')
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<ljarvis> gogo implement
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<sdegutis> Does Ruby 2.0 come bundled with any GUI libs?
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<yorickpeterse> it comes with Tk I believe
<yorickpeterse> which is old and messy
<yorickpeterse> and fugly
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<ruby-lang280> Hola
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<ruby-lang280> Carlos_
<yorickpeterse> wat
<sdegutis> Nothing else?
<ruby-lang280> Carlos estas aqui?
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<yorickpeterse> ruby-lang280: non je non voulez la baguette
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<sdegutis> Heh, require 'tk' failed for me. Oh well.
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<ruby-lang280> Carlos porque no responde?
<yorickpeterse> ruby-lang280: how about you speak English instead?
<ruby-lang280> Ok
<ruby-lang280> Carlos are you here?
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<yorickpeterse> sup
<ruby-lang280> Hey سلام
<yorickpeterse> ( ¯3¯)
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<ruby-lang280> つ◕_◕༽つ
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<yorickpeterse> (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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<yorickpeterse> gotta run, laters
<yorickpeterse> exit
<yorickpeterse> fuck
<ruby-lang280> つ◕_◕༽つ Give Ruby Code
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<matti> LOL
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<threeifbywhiskey> #<< is sending into, #>> should be or sending out to, like a message, like Smalltalk.
<threeifbywhiskey> #>> should be an alias for #send on Symbol.
<threeifbywhiskey> *be for
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<threeifbywhiskey> Would a patch just get shot right down?
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<badeball> can you not just reverse the arguments in order to achieve 'send out to' ?
<yxhuvud> hopefully. we have enough line noise as is
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<yorickpeterse> threeifbywhiskey: what the fuck are you on about?
<threeifbywhiskey> Truly Turing-complete non-alphanumeric Ruby.
<threeifbywhiskey> It's just a fun little mental excursion I'm on as of late. For the hack of it.
<yorickpeterse> #<< is already used in Ruby in a bunch of cases
<yorickpeterse> e.g. Array#<<
<threeifbywhiskey> Yes, I know.
<yorickpeterse> (alias for Array#push)
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<threeifbywhiskey> And also for shoveling characters and codepoints into strings.
<threeifbywhiskey> And even File-like objects like $>.
<threeifbywhiskey> We can do everything in Ruby without using numbers or letters except simulate Kernel#gets.
<badeball> threeifbywhiskey: you know that you can define a method named '>>' if you want to?
<threeifbywhiskey> No, "def" contains three letters.
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<badeball> really?
<threeifbywhiskey> Indeed.
<threeifbywhiskey> It's an alphanumeric string that can't be used in a non-alphanumeric program.
<threeifbywhiskey> #rocketscience
<toretore> threeifbywhiskey: what you're proposing is completely unnecessary and will only be confusing
<badeball> threeifbywhiskey: it was an answer to your first question
<threeifbywhiskey> toretore: Yes, that much I understand.
<toretore> so then the answer to the question "Would a patch just get shot right down?" should be obvious
<threeifbywhiskey> It's odd that no single other person I've talked to about this wants to beat Perl at their own game.
<toretore> nobody cares about it
<threeifbywhiskey> I know. :(
<threeifbywhiskey> What happened to the Array#forty_two spirit? :/
<threeifbywhiskey> Because we can.
<toretore> it never existed
<toretore> it was a joke
<threeifbywhiskey> It's still in Rails.
<toretore> rails != ruby
<threeifbywhiskey> Y'got me.
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<threeifbywhiskey> _why would've loved it.
<toretore> _why != ruby
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<threeifbywhiskey> You have to use the lambda calculus to write substantial non-alphanumeric programs, and I'm finally starting to wrap my head around it because I'm practicing it in Ruby.
<threeifbywhiskey> I realize a lot of people have seen Programming with Nothing, which makes Programming with Nothing but Symbols look boring and pedantic by comparison.
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<threeifbywhiskey> Still fun, though.
<toretore> nobody wants to program without alphanumerics in real life
<threeifbywhiskey> Is this real life?
<toretore> if you like the challenge, then that's fine, but it's not something people want in their day to day code
<threeifbywhiskey> You're right.
<toretore> so stop obsessing about it ;)
<threeifbywhiskey> Can't do that one.
<threeifbywhiskey> Yay, Aspies.
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<threeifbywhiskey> What does SimpleCov mean by "hits per line"?
<pipework> threeifbywhiskey: Number of times a line is hit, ordered by the line itself?
<threeifbywhiskey> I have a line that's being hit 1143 times...
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<threeifbywhiskey> And I don't understand why.
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<threeifbywhiskey> Assuming I did want to go about this reverse sending business, is this the best way to implement it? https://gist.github.com/threeifbywhiskey/9650118
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<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: i prefer: class Array; alias >> unshift end; class String; alias >> prepend end
<threeifbywhiskey> I'd like to refrain from explicit monkey-patching if possible, but that is very good.
<threeifbywhiskey> But... unshift doesn't do any sending.
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: oh, i just mean i think i'd prefer Array#>> and String#>> to prepend rather than reverse-send
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: just an aside
<threeifbywhiskey> Right, but I'm talking about allowing for ('class' >> []) to be Array.
<threeifbywhiskey> Because [].send('class') is Array.
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<Mon_Ouie> threeifbywhiskey: Just use def >> and include. No need for define_method and the extended hook.
<threeifbywhiskey> I don't want to monkey-patch.
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<badeball> threeifbywhiskey: remember that ("something" >> []) is actually calling #>> on the string
<threeifbywhiskey> badeball: No, it's not. It's called send on the array and passing the method the String "something".
<Mon_Ouie> Your code does just that though
<threeifbywhiskey> My code monkey-patches, but it makes it "optional".
<threeifbywhiskey> You have to extend the class before String#>> will be defined.
<Mon_Ouie> And you have to include the module in the previous thing before it is defined. Same thing.
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<threeifbywhiskey> Yes, you're right.
<badeball> >> ("something" >> [])
<eval-in> badeball => undefined method `>>' for "something":String (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/123304)
<badeball> threeifbywhiskey: ^
<threeifbywhiskey> badeball: Oh, right.
<badeball> yeah
<threeifbywhiskey> Sorry, I derped there.
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: I vote leave #send as-is and have: `[:b] >> :a #=> [:a, :b]` and `'b' >> 'a' #=> "ab"`. :P
<threeifbywhiskey> Concatenation?
<havenwood> prepending, unshifting
<threeifbywhiskey> I'm talking about being able to call #gets like ('gets' >> Kernel).
<threeifbywhiskey> I want Kernel.gets, not [Kernel, 'gets'].
<threeifbywhiskey> Maybe I'm not making any sense at all. :/
<badeball> >> class Object; def >>(other) other << self end end; ("something" >> [])
<eval-in> badeball => ["something"] (https://eval.in/123308)
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<Mon_Ouie> threeifbywhiskey: He knows what you mean, he's just saying he'd prefer for those methods to do what he's describing if they existed
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: you make sense, ^
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<threeifbywhiskey> Oh, duh.
<threeifbywhiskey> God, I'm slow right now.
<threeifbywhiskey> Sorry, guys.
<threeifbywhiskey> And gals, I think, Mon.
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<threeifbywhiskey> No, never mind. Sorry. It's a feminine name is all and it tricked me.
<badeball> threeifbywhiskey: >> class Object; def >>(other) other.send self end end; ("to_sym" >> "something")
<badeball> >> class Object; def >>(other) other.send self end end; ("to_sym" >> "something")
<eval-in> badeball => :something (https://eval.in/123309)
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<threeifbywhiskey> Putting it on Object seems cruel.
<threeifbywhiskey> It only needs to go on String, Symbol, and Array, but I mean, one method instead of three, 'ey?
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<threeifbywhiskey> That should be "other.send *self", by the way, to permit passing arguments to #send as the all-but-first elements of the array on the LHS.
<threeifbywhiskey> Such that `[:+, 2] >> 2` is 4.
<threeifbywhiskey> *more arguments, I suppose.
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<threeifbywhiskey> *all-but-zeroth; Dijkstra would not be proud.
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<threeifbywhiskey> ['const_get', 'RubyVM'] >> Object
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<threeifbywhiskey> And this could all be done without alphanumerics if only String#>> were defined as a reverse-send. I think it's fascinating.
<threeifbywhiskey> Probably very boring and tedious for most people, though. :/
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<badeball> if onlys and justs were candies and nuts then everyday would be erntedankfest
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<ljarvis> >> ["x", 1, :2].grep(String)
<eval-in> ljarvis => /tmp/execpad-dc1a4e793b7a/source-dc1a4e793b7a:2: syntax error, unexpected tINTEGER, expecting tSTRING_CONTENT or tSTRING_DBEG or tSTRING_DVAR or tSTRING_END ... (https://eval.in/123312)
<ljarvis> >> ["x", 1, :x].grep(String)
<eval-in> ljarvis => ["x"] (https://eval.in/123313)
<ljarvis> derp
<yorickpeterse> wat
<ljarvis> Double checking grep used === commenting on a basecamp issue and I'm on my phone
<ljarvis> Omakase
<centrx> >> :2
<eval-in> centrx => /tmp/execpad-204232f3461e/source-204232f3461e:2: syntax error, unexpected tINTEGER, expecting tSTRING_CONTENT or tSTRING_DBEG or tSTRING_DVAR or tSTRING_END (https://eval.in/123314)
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<threeifbywhiskey> Is Shift-123 pronounced "bang-at-pound" or "whack-at-crunch"?
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<pipework> threeifbywhiskey: Or bang-at-crunch.
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<toretore> what
<threeifbywhiskey> toretore: How do you pronounce "!@#"?
* centrx only sees the incredulity on one side of this conversation
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<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: bang at hash
<toretore> exclamation mark, at sign, pound sign
<threeifbywhiskey> toretore: A man of the classics.
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<toretore> as in, it shouldn't be pronounced
<pipework> havenwood: Shame shame!
<pipework> Bang-at-octothorpe.
<havenwood> pipework: good point!!
<havenwood> an octothorpe it is...
<pipework> verily
<threeifbywhiskey> Somebody recommended we call the + a tetrathorpe.
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: seems like a quadrathorpe to me
<threeifbywhiskey> Octa- and tetra- are the Greek.
<threeifbywhiskey> Quad- is Latin, unless I'm mistaken.
<havenwood> threeifbywhiskey: yup, we're in Greek, i'm wrong
<havenwood> ὀκτώ
<threeifbywhiskey> It'd never fly, anway; we wouldn' be able to differentiate from + from ×.
<threeifbywhiskey> *anyway
<havenwood> tetracopters unite!
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<threeifbywhiskey> That is a beautiful word.
<threeifbywhiskey> "7 tetracopter 2 is 14".
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* jaimef hates dealing with rubydevs who use non-standard identation that do not follow the Mats standard implementation as defined by ;; ;;; ruby-mode.el --- Major mode for editing Ruby files Authors: Yukihiro Matsumoto Created: Fri Feb 4 14:49:13 JST 1994
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<ljarvis> lol 1994
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<yorickpeterse> BACK IN THE DAY!!!
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<apeiros> jaimef: you mean all the code which doesn't use 1 tab for 8 spaces and 2 spaces otherwise? :)
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<pipework> threeifbywhiskey: What's greek for 4 then?
<pipework> Is it tetra? TIL
<pipework> jaimef: Link or gtfo
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<daturkel> quick question. "open-uri" lets you use the 'open' method on a url string to return its contents, is there a way to raise an exception if it produces a socket error (invalid url)?
<daturkel> (or dead site)
<daturkel> or generally just make an if statement on the condition that it returns an error
<pipework> daturkel: Have you tried using 'raise'?
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<daturkel> i don't know how to here because i don't know what condition to check
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<ruby-lang968> Hello, I'm new to this chat room and to Ruby...I'm constantly getting a LoadError when i try to use the require method
<ruby-lang968> I'm wondering if anybody can assist me
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<centrx> daturkel, Doesn't it do that already?
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<centrx> ruby-lang968, Use gist.github.com to post code
<daturkel> centrx: right now, if you feed it an invalid url (that is, well-formed, but not directed to a file), it throws a SocketError. i want to be able to make an if-statement on this socketerror, like "if this is about to fail"
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<centrx> daturkel, Use "rescue"
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<centrx> daturkel, And you can raise any other exception inside the rescue
<daturkel> ah, that works. thank you
<centrx> ruby-lang968, Post the URL of your gist in the channel
<centrx> ruby-lang968, Welcome to IRC
<bnagy> daturkel: remember that you can also rescue specific exceptions, like rescue SocketError; #stuff; rescue RaveningZombies; #other; rescue; #everything else
<ruby-lang968> Thanks so much
<ruby-lang968> here's the url
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<daturkel> bnagy: thanks. getting the hang of this. haven't had to do exceptions and rescues before
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<ruby-lang968> I'm not sure if it's related to updating to Mavericks; or some path issue...
<centrx> ruby-lang968, What is "string_extensions.rb"? Where is that supposed to come from?
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<ruby-lang968> that's a different file within the same folder
<daturkel> puts your files in a gist
<ruby-lang968> put the rb files in a gist?
<daturkel> yeah
<ruby-lang968> ok, i'll do that right now
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