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<Shiz>
love to first be upset about supposedly used code not being credited and then be upset about code not being used to begin wih
<nkaretnikov>
:(
<Shiz>
I thought they just released that APFS driver, did they do more than that (publicly/wrt apple silicon, i know they apparently did a bunch of ios reversing)
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<clover[m]>
Wow that CTO is acting a fool, comes off super insecure and beta
<marcan>
Shiz: they didn't even write the APFS driver
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<marcan>
their APFS driver is from linux-apfs
<marcan>
there is just no attribution because it's a single commit
<Shiz>
lol
<marcan>
their repo is a copyvio just out of that
<foxlet>
I just wouldn't engage at that point.
<Shiz>
also "not getting paid" bro you're running a company
<Shiz>
:p
<maximus64>
lol
<marcan>
they wrote 1) a uart driver... even though linux already has a driver for this kind of UART
<marcan>
2) a trivial AIC driver
<marcan>
3) apparently bluetooth... which I think was just adding missing flow control support to their UART and instantiating bluetooth on top of that? :D
<marcan>
4) wifi, which I guess is just again instantiating the broadcom fullmac stuff and maybe some fixes for that chip?
<marcan>
anyway I'm not even going to look at their code any more
<marcan>
not worth it
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<acelogic>
I rather the linux is ported to it the right way lol
<maximus64>
marcan: is the AIC publicly documented?
<marcan>
not that I know of, but judging by the length of the corellium driver, it's trivial enough to do
<maximus64>
heh ic
<marcan>
this is why I ported mini first, because it makes figuring out this stuff way easier
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<mogery>
ooh, i was just catching up on the old one :D
<Emantor>
Sweet. Reading this as an embedded developer you are obviously doing the right thing. Random kernel code dumps haven't gotten us anywhere with upstream, just look at the android vendor kernels.
* JTL
glares at qualcomm
<JTL>
haha
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* Emantor
fondly remembers gregkh calling vendor kernels linux-like, but not linux.
<JTL>
Although I'm sure people could argue about upstream Linux code quality all day. I think his point is that some vendor kernels like doing things "their own way" while not respecting coding conventions or interoperability with other subsystems
<JTL>
(Mind you, not a kernel dev myself, just my understanding from talking with others)
<dhewg>
in this case it's more of a legal than a quality issue, although they usually come together
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<ar>
JTL: qualcomm? dare not to look into the mediakek direction
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<JTL>
I was about to say that
<JTL>
:p
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<j`ey>
marcan: btw x31 in that store instruction is an alias for xzr (zero register)
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<mogery>
ugh, is this corellium thing going to be drama
<mogery>
re qwertyoruiop subtweet
<mogery>
why does this have to happen every single time
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<gruetzkopf>
in my terminal the glasgow framing errors are far more yellow
<ar>
gruetzkopf: I assume that's just a question of konsole color scheme
<gruetzkopf>
yup
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<ar>
marcan: tested that thing on your stream (via the "filter headphones" feature) and it filtered out typing quite well
<davidrysk[m]>
this licensing stuff (and seemingly fundamental misunderstanding, or intentional ignorance, of how upstreaming stuff works) is frustrating
<davidrysk[m]>
I did a `git log` of pongoOS and there's all this about syncing with an internal repo. There is zero ability to have an audit trail with that
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<davidrysk[m]>
as for RHEL tarballs: those are downstream and not upstream distributions. And afaik Red Hat / CentOS do include a file that lists which files were changed and whose changes went into the files, which means they comply with GPLv2 2.a
<davidrysk[m]>
But the standards for upstreaming code are higher.
<sven>
i don't believe it's intentional. as far as i understand it pongoos isn't meant to be upstreamed
<asmon[m]>
there are missing days on the logs
<davidrysk[m]>
sven: I don't mean upstreaming pongoos. I mean the lineage of pongoos code, to ensure that it was cleanly RE'd and whatnot
<j`ey>
sven: it's a bit confusing what the argument is about really at this point
<sven>
yeah, the whole argument turned way to heated
<asmon[m]>
someone know about that?
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<davidrysk[m]>
sven: basically if we can't tell that code was developed cleanly, it could become a risk to the project if it is used or in some cases even if knowledge from it is used (e.g. if the development of said code involved illegally obtained leaked code -- note that I am not saying that pongoOS involved that, I am stating the hypothetical)
<davidrysk[m]>
asmon: more specifics?
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<mogery>
jan 1 2 3 missing
<mogery>
maybe whitequark's logbot was down?
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<tpw_rules>
it wasn't set up before then i don't think. first message on jan 4 is "<marcan> Alright, we have IRC logs on all the channels. "
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<davidrysk[m]>
there was not really any useful discussion that early
<davidrysk[m]>
but if you want me to ask whitequark to import my logs (and marcan is okay with that) I can...
<Shiz>
:( drama
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<davidrysk[m]>
yeah, and subtweets
<davidrysk[m]>
when upstreaming is the plan it's not "copyright concern troll[ing]"
<Shiz>
like sven remarked, the arguments definitely got way to heated
<Shiz>
too*
<Shiz>
might be useful for everyone to just chill a bit and find common ground then :)
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<asmon[m]>
the text is not readable
<asmon[m]>
* the text on the stream is not readable
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<davidrysk[m]>
even when you set youtube to 1080p?
<asmon[m]>
why?
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<asmon[m]>
david.rysk: does it readable on your screen?
<davidrysk[m]>
the other day it was, after I set youtube to 1080p
<davidrysk[m]>
youtube's automatic resolution doesn't always work as well as it could
<asmon[m]>
does it mean it's not now?
<davidrysk[m]>
I didn't have a chance to test this time
<noc0lour>
setting to 1080p worked earlier today
<asmon[m]>
so please if someone who regularly watch, the first stream his face was clear but not the text
<asmon[m]>
noc0lour: can you share your hardware specs including screen? also screenshot when you watch
<asmon[m]>
* noc0lour: can you share your hardware specs including screen? also screenshot of the stream
<asmon[m]>
* noc0lour: can you share your hardware specs including screen? also screenshot of the stream.
<asmon[m]>
* noc0lour: can you share your hardware specs including screen? also screenshot of the stream
<noc0lour>
video compression algorithms excel on natural imagery but are not well adapted to straight edges, lines etc, that's why text usually requires a higher resolution to be readable
<asmon[m]>
do you speak english?
<asmon[m]>
it's fine, i will translate
<asmon[m]>
Können Sie Ihre Hardwarespezifikationen einschließlich Bildschirm freigeben? auch Screenshot des Streams
<davidrysk[m]>
asmon: this is an english language channel
<noc0lour>
I see no reason to do so. Sorry.
<asmon[m]>
david.rysk but noc0lour does not understand english
<davidrysk[m]>
noc0lour's responses appear adequate to me.
<davidrysk[m]>
You can test using the stream recording if you need to.
<asmon[m]>
I could compare the hardware specs including screen and screenshot to mine
<noc0lour>
Also different screen sizes (recording party with 27 inch, viewer with 14 inch) may lead to different apparent font sizes. I think for the editor it might be helpful to have a larger font size
<noc0lour>
to improve readability
<asmon[m]>
why don't you speak to topic?
<davidrysk[m]>
note that marcan's environment is set up to be optimal for him developing code, not for us to watch him do so
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<asmon[m]>
we can't see anything unless he show his face
<j`ey>
that's true, but I still wish the code font were slightly bigger :-)
<asmon[m]>
<davidrysk[m] "note that marcan's environment i"> where is the problem his setup?
<davidrysk[m]>
heh I also wish it were bigger
<asmon[m]>
why do you wish that? before you said it was readable
<davidrysk[m]>
it's readable, it's not easily readable
<asmon[m]>
it's readable, it's not easily readable
<davidrysk[m]>
(except e.g. on a 27" 4k or ideally 5k screen)
<noc0lour>
<davidrysk[m] "it's readable, it's not easily r"> yep, there is no technical problem, just a small font depending on the screen size you watch it on
<davidrysk[m]>
exactly
<asmon[m]>
<noc0lour "yep, there is no technical probl"> if it's on our problem what is your monitor and hardware specs?
<davidrysk[m]>
(as long as you set the youtube resolution to the maximum and have fast enough internet to handle the stream)
<davidrysk[m]>
I said above, 27" 4k to 5k
<davidrysk[m]>
marcan is working on a 5K 27" iMac screen iirc
<davidrysk[m]>
(which is 1440p)
<davidrysk[m]>
(1440p effective, could be slightly higher scaled)
<Shiz>
either way, if the font size is too small for you, you can ask him in a next stream to maybe turn it up a bit
<noc0lour>
<asmon[m] "if it's on our problem what is y"> 14" 1600x900
<Shiz>
he did so in previous streams
<Shiz>
when people asked
<j`ey>
Shiz: a few of us asked this stream
<noc0lour>
I can read it on full screen and 1080p, but also my eyesight is not your eyesight, there is no point in comparing things
<Shiz>
i was sleeping
<Shiz>
did he in fact turn it up :p
<j`ey>
no
<Shiz>
aw
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<yorick>
stream quality seems much improved
<asmon[m]>
yorick: in compared to what?
<yorick>
compared to before
<asmon[m]>
before?
<yorick>
yes, the past
<asmon[m]>
you mean the opposite of the future?
<yorick>
yes
<yorick>
I can't tell you anything about future stream quality
<ml>
the only valid metric here is yakshave/hour
<yorick>
I was using image quality and text legibility in particular
<asmon[m]>
yorick: can you tell us your monitor and hardware specs?
<yorick>
asmon[m]: 27" 1440p monitor
<yorick>
I'm watching the stream recording on youtube, so not live
<asmon[m]>
are you watching it at moment?
<jix>
stream quality looked the same to me, but I did explicitly select 1080p and not auto for both streams as it would switch to lower res sometimes otherwise
<asmon[m]>
@yorick are you watching it at moment?
<asmon[m]>
yorick:
<asmon[m]>
yorick:
<yorick>
I am not watching it at the moment
<asmon[m]>
look
<yorick>
it's not streaming?
<yorick>
so there are just recordings
<Shiz>
asmon[m]: please stop highlighting people repeatedly
<asmon[m]>
i was on 480p
<asmon[m]>
Shiz: i was on 480p
<asmon[m]>
Shiz: i was on 480p
<yorick>
asmon[m]: no need to be that impatient, I'm sure they saw your writing the first time
<asmon[m]>
yorick: i was on 480p
<asmon[m]>
yorick: i was on 480p
<asmon[m]>
thanks everyone
<mogery>
(i think that might be a bad/buggy connection/bridge and not asmon)
<yorick>
that would be an impressive failure mode
<j`ey>
asmon[m]: are you sending the same messages on purpose?
<Shiz>
they're on the regular matrix.org bridge, so I doubt it
<mogery>
fair
<asmon[m]>
im from japan and my internet is little slow 2 MBPS
<asmon[m]>
im from japan and my internet is little slow 2 MBPS
<Shiz>
okay, maybe impressive failure mode :P
<noc0lour>
<Shiz "they're on the regular matrix.or"> also the messages are duplicated on the matrix side
<gruetzkopf>
the stream needed about 4MBit/s to be useful here
<noc0lour>
<asmon[m] "im from japan and my internet is"> maybe it'll be better to download streams with youtube-dl and watch them later if you want to read text, on 480p it will continue to be hard to read
<gruetzkopf>
was easily readable on a 14" FHD laptop
<davidrysk[m]>
if you have 2Mbps you will have difficulty, yes
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<mogery>
heh, chat failure modes are often impressive
<mogery>
(no idempotency key on matrix i guess?)
<fridtjof[m]>
isn't that more likely to be an issue with the client? (how the UI behaves when sending a message)
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<artemist>
If you want the doc that explains everything (albeit can be a bit annoying) you probably want the ARMv8-A ARM
<artemist>
When searching online I have frequently gotten to that "getting started with A64 tutorial" which can be a pain
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<marcan>
davidrysk[m]: the UI scale is 1.5x, so efectively 0.75x scaled output for 1080p viewers
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<marcan>
I am *already* using larger fonts for the benefit of viewers
<marcan>
going larger would start decreasing my productivity, sorry, it's as large as it's going to get
<modwizcode>
Incidentally what is your font size?
<j`ey>
if the font in kate matched the terminal size below, it would already be a big help, but you said you dont want to change it, so i'll just have to deal with it :-)
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<asmon[m]>
<marcan "going larger would start decreas"> how do you sumarrize your productivity so far?
<asmon[m]>
marcan: how do you sumarrize your productivity so far?
<asmon[m]>
: with larger fonts vs without
<asmon[m]>
: with larger fonts vs without
<brentr123[m]>
Please stop with the repeated questions
<brentr123[m]>
Jesus Christ
<asmon[m]>
brentr123: sorry i dont know what to do have this problem over year more
<asmon[m]>
brentr123: sorry i dont know what to do have this problem over year more
<winocm>
my god, please stop with the repeated things
<roxfan>
wonder if dups is a matrix issue
<marcan>
asmon[m]: I'm really trying to be nice here, but if you don't stop taking and figure out how to fix your problem elsewhere I won't have any option other than to kick you out
<asmon[m]>
winocm: sorry
<asmon[m]>
winocm: sorry
<marcan>
I know it's not your fault but you need to figure it out yourself, we can't help you
<asmon[m]>
marcan: im sorry sir wont say any word more
<asmon[m]>
marcan: im sorry sir wont say any word more