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<Fibonacci> hi
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<adam3us> fluffypony yes that image explains all. it is a collision with differences that chosen to abuse jpeg formats inside PDF in order to display image A or image B to follow the collision. then using length extension the two images are appended to the collision, naturally they have the same hash also (due to length extension)
<fluffypony> indeed - so it's just cleverly abusing the PDF format ;)
<adam3us> it's nice that they chose a collision that is reusable in this way to stop people being "oh it's just a one off, to attack a new doc would cost $$$, so lets not worry about it", which we know from previous attacks is always the reaction.
<fluffypony> yeah, had a few people tell me that the attack is infeasible because "it cost 110 years of a single-GPU computation"
<adam3us> another fun stat is bitcoin does a computation of similar size about once per second
<fluffypony> re: an attack against a git repo, since repos are already distributed that sort of attack *is* impractical except against a specific target
<fluffypony> the git guys say that they're ~40% complete with switching to use object_id everywhere, which fixes that
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<fluffypony> and they're also considering adding Google's collision detector to git
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<adam3us> another collision can be made for a known cost now, which will not be detected by that (i would think)
<adam3us> it's best to phase to focus on phasing out the dodgy hash function, these things always get worse over time.
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<fluffypony> agreed, they should switch to sha3 for git 3.0 onwards and just be done with it
<fluffypony> git hard fork
<fluffypony> :-P
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<wumpus> adding the collision detector would be a good intermediate solution though, to detect tampering right now, agree the long term focus should be to switch to a better hash function
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<fluffypony> lol did you see the webkit SVN fail?
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<fluffypony> someone added the two PDFs to WebKit as a test case
<fluffypony> and corrupted the WebKit SVN server
<fluffypony> the PDFs have been accidentally weaponised
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<kanzure> "Non-interactive zero knowledge proofs of discrete log equivalence" https://moderncrypto.org/mail-archive/curves/2017/000850.html
<waxwing> kanzure: as was pointed out in the thread, the description of PoDLE (or DLEQ as they call it) there isn't right
<waxwing> you're actually proving that two curve points have the same discrete log w.r.t. two pre-determined base points.
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<Lightsword> so the temp solution would just be to swap normal sha1 for https://github.com/cr-marcstevens/sha1collisiondetection right?
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