#bitcoin-wizards on 2018-03-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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13:17 <kanzure> "A new approach to deanonymization of unreachable bitcoin nodes" https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/243

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14:48 <kanzure> "Non-interactive zaps of knowledge" https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/228

14:49 <kanzure> "A new constant-size accountable ring signature scheme without random oracles" https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/242

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14:55 <andytoshi> stevenroose: no, MAST does not require secret key material to be online during setup, and does not require participants hold on to signatures that they're unable to reproduce if they lose

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15:32 <stevenroose> andytoshi: but it does require you to know the scripts. Ok, it's true that is more likely to be reproducable

15:33 <stevenroose> You can f.e. have a canonical leaf ordering for m-of-n

15:33 <stevenroose> But f.e. with lightning scripts, you need special values inside the scripts anyways

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15:40 <andytoshi> yes lightning is a case where graftroot makes sense

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20:13 <maaku> stevenroose: a case where graftroot does not make sense is multi-signature wallets

20:13 <maaku> recovery from just a single seed is not possible with graftroot

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20:14 <maaku> whereas bip32 derivation allows the non-interactive reconstruction of wallet information necessary for identification and spend

20:14 <maaku> using mast instead

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