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<maaku> batch
<maaku> andytoshi sipa: low-s shouldn't get in the way of batch validation, as you can require low-s AND R.y be a quadratic residue
<maaku> you'd have to modify deterministic signing to support this though
<maaku> the annoying thing about restrictions on R.y as a tie breaker is that it isn't easy to check without verifying the signature
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<andytoshi> if you required low-s and R.y quadratic that would burn coins that were controlled solely by old signers
<andytoshi> i'm not sure what you mean by "checking without verifying the signature", you only ever need to check it when you're verifying
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<maaku> andytoshi: how would it burn coins? 25% of nonces would generate low-s, R.y quadratic signatures
<maaku> andytoshi: "you only ever need to check it when you're verifying" this is incorrect, low-s is an IsStandard check prior to signature verification
<maaku> wait, no, I was confused. it's only checked in context. naturally as that's when you have the scripts
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<andytoshi> hmmm, maybe it wouldn't burn them if you had a signing device that you could cajole into signing different txes with the same input
<andytoshi> and just try until you got a valid nonce
<andytoshi> but if you had coins controlled only by a locktime tx, you'd be SOL
<andytoshi> i see what you're saying about checking in IsStandard. yeah, that's annoying, it makes the extra bit in the R encoding purely redundant data that needs to be verified.
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<maaku> well it would be a far-worse outcome if it was a no-context IsStandard check
<maaku> but it's not, because you need context to even know that a stack item is a signature
<andytoshi> hmm, yeah, gross
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<yoleaux> [bitcoin-dev] Schnorr signatures BIP
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<kanzure> "Physical zero-knowledge proofs of physical properties" https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2014/86160292/86160292.pdf
<waxwing> immediate strong ack because you used s = k + ex not s = k - ex
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