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<kanzure>
oof "if a scheme only supports all signers to sign the same message rather than their own, it's called a multisignature rather than an aggregated signature"
<kanzure>
oh wait, that's standard.
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<jimpo>
Unlinkable atomic swaps between honest but mutually distrusting parties are possible just with MAST, right? Like each output has three spend clauses, 2-of-2 multisig, sig + hash preimage, sig + CLTV. Requires an additional round of interaction though.
<jimpo>
Or is that not correct?
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<gmaxwell>
they're possible without mast, using refund transactions. So long as you don't mind only having the anonymity set of 2 of 2 multisig.
<jimpo>
Oh, good point.
<gmaxwell>
pre-segwit refund tx were vulnerable to malleability, but thats solved now.
<gmaxwell>
Now the only issue with them is just implementing the state machine that handles the refunds and what not is a PITA.
<jimpo>
Wait, actually, how do you make them unlinkable (without the expensive cut-and-choose type thing)?
<jimpo>
nvm, I think I see it. Where the 2-of-2 multisig has a presigned tx going to a regular atomic swap type tx.