#bitcoin-wizards on 2018-09-18 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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01:20 <napo1eon> Take this, brother, may it serve you well: ฿

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11:07 <ZmnSCPxj> .tell ruby32 good morning, I believe you could try looking at sidechain commitment ideas like drivechains or my own proof-of-mainstake, and simply remove the peg, but to my thinking, it requires some data to be published on Bitcoin chain

11:07 <yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj: I'll pass your message to ruby32.

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11:09 <ZmnSCPxj_> .tell ruby32 the publication of data could be hidden in a pay-to-contract construction where you commit your altcoin tx to a Bitcoin P2WPKH pay-to-contract with the altcoin tx as contract, but in the end you pay fees to the Bitcoin layer.

11:09 <yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj_: I'll pass your message to ruby32.

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11:12 <ZmnSCPxj_> .tell nsh good morning nsh, is not Neutrino another example of such?

11:12 <yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj_: I'll pass your message to nsh.

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11:14 <nsh> quite possibly. unsure of the technicals, looks proprietary

11:14 <nsh> oh no, that's a name collision (https://www.neutrino.nu/) against https://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Whitepapers/neutrino-whitepaper.pdf

11:14 <nsh> which i assume you mean?

11:15 <nsh> latter is just torifying nodes afaict

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11:51 <waxwing> nsh, neutrino as in BIP157/158 most likely

11:51 <nsh> ah yes, thank you both

11:51 <waxwing> although i guess 'client side filtering' is what we should be using, and neutrino is an implementation. actually i'm not 100% clear on that.

11:59 <nsh> oh i get it, the hash distributes uniformly and taking the difference between sorted entries makes that uniform distribution geometric and golomb-rice optimally compresses a geometric distribution

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12:00 <nsh> (achieving better compression at a cost to query/update)

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12:09 * nsh abstractly wonders if this would enable backchannels through p2p filter messages that might be [mildly] abused

12:11 <nsh> (for the usual nefarious e.g. botnet c2 recovery purposes, etc.)

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20:54 <rusty> BlueMatt: hmm, botbot.me is shutting down. Any chance we can get lightning-dev and c-lighting logged on bitcoin.ninja?

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