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<gmaxwell>
there is context missing like the fact that mozilla has an 'internal' only slack that already split up their irc using community.
<gmaxwell>
so that already skims out all the people in groups that mostly only talk to other mozilla people, people who find IRC hard to use (e.g. mobile), people who are especially disrupted by spam... etc. and makes their IRC all the less vibrant and useful.
<gmaxwell>
we saw the same kind of damage to the bitcoin channels on irc with the creation of the 'core slack' even though none of the core regulars 'moved' there, so less extreme
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<andytoshi>
yes, mozilla moved #rust-internals to something called "zulip" a year or so ago, and a bunch of the rust compiler devs really did move there, which was very destructive
<andytoshi>
but there are remaining irc.mozilla.org channels that are actively used and useful
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<andytoshi>
they also moved the mailing list to "discourse" so now you can't access it without a javascript-enabled browser
<andytoshi>
it is very frustrating that they insist on firewalling themselves from actual users and the FOSS community.
<gmaxwell>
maybe they'll manage to find some chrome only thing to standarize on.
<andytoshi>
oh, fwiw you can access zulip over text (and presumable get local logs) https://zulipchat.com/help/zulip-in-a-terminal .. the first link there has the most recent commit a couple weeks ago, so it does seem actively developed
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<andytoshi>
(no you can't. it crashes immediately with a bunch of inscrutable unhandled python exceptions, ofc)
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