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<Jmabsd>
sipa: Re BIP 32 (hdwallets), what motivated the assymetry between root key and mnemonics?
<Jmabsd>
sipa: I.e. in BIP 32 you need to generate a root seed (256bit), which you then translate to mnemonics, and then the root key you use is the hash of the lowercase wellformed mnemonics string.
<Jmabsd>
sipa: Why not instead keep symmetry so that the mnemonics go through the reverse root seed transformation, hence yielding the original root seed, and have that same value used as root key?
<Jmabsd>
sipa: I think someone said that the assymetry originated in some coincidence and that really the symmetry I described here was the originally intended design.
<Jmabsd>
sipa: Would love to learn your comments on this one as you authored the BIP.
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<ghost43>
Jmabsd: what do you mean by mnemonics? there are no mnemonics in bip32
<Jmabsd>
ghost43: ah right, so this falls under BIP 39 only?
<ghost43>
well your question is about a design decision for mnemonics, yes. it's kind of unrelated to bip32
<Jmabsd>
you are correct.
<ghost43>
for example, old electrum seeds used a bidirectional encoding between entropy and seed words; while new electrum seeds are using a KDF from seed words to bip32 root seed
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