<whitequark> how does one format translator's remarks in books?
<whitequark> like "foo (in this case the author actually meant bar--translator)"
<vil> whitequark: I usually see them in square brackets and italics
<whitequark> vil: thanks
<vil> yep
<nooga> I usually see then in footnotes with "translator's remark" prefix
<nooga> them*
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<Nuck> whitequark: In Manga we usually put "TL Note" in the margins. In Light Novels, they use foot/endnotes
<Nuck> In professional writing, the trend seems to be to put editor/translator notes inlined in square brackets, or in delineated blocks with italic print
<devyn> whitequark: 404
<Nuck> devyn: Works for me
<whitequark> devyn: weird
<devyn> nvm
<devyn> OS X copied it wrong somehow
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<Nuck> I just cmd+click because fuck yeah iTerm
<devyn> I really should learn to log out of 'sudo -i' sessions…
<devyn> Nuck: well Terminal.app is right-click + open URL,
<devyn> but I had a tmux split
<devyn> so OS X didn't figure that out
<Nuck> What's sudo -i?
<devyn> interactive login as superuser
<Nuck> interactive login? You mean a login to an interactive shell?
<Nuck> For that I usually just use sudo su -
<devyn> which is completely redundant and starts multiple shells :p
<Nuck> Actually I don't think sudo spawns a shell?
<Nuck> I thought it directly invoked /usr/bin/env or whatever
<Nuck> In which case it would be the same number of shells as sudo -i
<devyn> Nuck: sudo su - starts a 'su' process as well
<devyn> Nuck: http://cl.ly/NyUI
<devyn> evidence.
<Nuck> Interesting.
<devyn> su is basically the predecessor to sudo, by the way
<devyn> it switches users, but it doesn't rely on your permissions; it relies on the password of the target user
<Nuck> Does sudo have a way to start an interactive shell (specifically zshell) using my current user's .zshrc
<devyn> i.e. you have to know it
<Nuck> Yeah I know
<Nuck> devyn: I use sudo su - user all the time
<Nuck> Interesting to know that sudo can do it on its own
<devyn> lol, use sudo -u user <command>, or sudo -u user -i
<purr> lol
<nooga> lol
<Nuck> So basically my technique til now was gaining root then dropping down, but if sudo can do it already...
<Nuck> Who the fuck is nooga?
<nooga> hello to you too
<Nuck> Hello, whoever you are
<devyn> Nuck: and no, I don't think so, but you could always just set root's zshrc to load your zshrc
<Nuck> devyn: Well, if I use sudo -E vim, it uses my vim configs, that might transfer over to ZShell too?
<Nuck> If I can force it to invoke zshell
<devyn> oh, well yeah, you can preserve the environment with -E
<devyn> that should work
<devyn> sudo -E zsh :p
<Nuck> I want to use that specifically for users which don't have a set shell
<Nuck> Well derp that'd work
<Nuck> Sure enough it works
<Nuck> That's useful to remember when configuring servers
<Nuck> Cause I don't like having to set my dotfiles in every user
<devyn> it's also kind of a bad idea, because if root writes a file in there your user won't be able to touch it
<Nuck> 'specially ones intended to be never interfaced with
<Nuck> devyn: Well, I'm not intending to use it as root
<Nuck> But as other users
<Nuck> so in combination with -u
<devyn> oh, that won't work
<devyn> because they don't have permission to your home dir
<Nuck> Actually it should work
<Nuck> Simply because it's not actually accessing hte .zshrc
<Nuck> I don't thin?
<Nuck> Hrm
* Nuck tries
<Nuck> It works
<devyn> Nuck: for your prompt and such, but not for functions and probably not for aliases, I should think
<devyn> and sudo -u user -E vim shouldn't work
<devyn> if it does, you need to fix your user's permissions :p
<Nuck> Works fine, and my permissions are alright
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<devyn> I think I'm gonna get ice cream.
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<micahjohnston> elliottc1ble: it's a miracle
<micahjohnston> elliottc1ble: I have really good ping with irssi tmux
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<devyn> whitequark: your \footnote{…} didn't work
<devyn> by the way, that says “tools/kwstat.rb on the attached CD”
<purrr> [System] elliottcable force-pushed Master from 2a5917e to 8069f2f: https://github.com/elliottcable/System/commits/Master
<purrr> System/Master 8069f2f elliottcable: (- fix) New drive-name
<gkatsev> Determinist: I got my 23andMe results back. I'm 96.1% ashkenazi.
<elliottcable> Hi!
<elliottcable> Relevant: I just bought 23andme for my girlfriend and her entire family.
<elliottcable> As a surprise gift.
<gkatsev> heh
<elliottcable> I can't wait until she gives it to them. The responses are going to be hilarious.
<gkatsev> you rich fuck, give me some money instead :P
<elliottcable> “Honey, your boyfriend is nice, but a little strange ...”
<elliottcable> gkatsev ⑊ It's insanely cheaper if you buy multiple at a time.
<elliottcable> It cost me 99$ for the first one, 49$ for the second, and 19$ for the other two.
<gkatsev> oh, neat, didn't know about that.
<elliottcable> micahjohnston ⑊ you're on irssi?
<elliottcable> devyn ⑊ you said you're Bitcoin-mining, right?
<Determinist> gkatsev: i'm sure it makes you very proud :)
<gkatsev> heh
<Determinist> i'm probably like… 40% or something
<Determinist> the other 40% is Klingon and Aborigin or something :P
<Determinist> i'm actually going to bed, so gn gents, ttytmw
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<elliottcable> Ugh.
<elliottcable> My 15TB RAID is corrupted. Terribly.
<elliottcable> This is going badly.
<elliottcable> fuufughharwhakr
<devyn> elliottcable: 15 TB RAID0? are you crazy?
<devyn> elliottcable: and yes I'm bitcoin mining
<devyn> made $20, and spent it, unfortunately.
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<elliottcable> RAID0? What?
<elliottcable> mining on Linux or OS X? and which miner?
<elliottcable> which video cards?
<devyn> elliottcable: windows. cgminer (works on Linux and probably OS X too). AMD Radeon HD 7950. Don't use NVidia cards; they don't have anywhere near as much compute power.
<elliottcable> yes, so I heard
<elliottcable> I'd never buy a GPU for mining purposes, that's stupid. ASICs and all that.
<elliottcable> But trying to learn to mine and get involved in a pool, with the hardware I already have
<elliottcable> half a dozen NVIDIA cards in various machines around the house
<devyn> right right
<elliottcable> 'couple laptops, old Mac Minis, and that Mac Pro
<elliottcable> all of which have NVIDIA, 'cause Apple, lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> well, they're not entirely useless if they're higher end.
<elliottcable> and it's a RAID5
<elliottcable> except somehow terribly corrupted
<devyn> oh, ok
<elliottcable> so, wiping it and creating a new logical drive now
<elliottcable> how the fuck do I choose stripe and sector sizes
<devyn> I suppose with an array that large you didn't have a backup
<elliottcable> there's no important data on it, except a shitton of Time Machine backups
<devyn> ah ok
<elliottcable> and I've already verified with all involved parties that I am authorized to discard them
<devyn> anyway, I'm not sure; never done RAID on OS X
<elliottcable> this has nothing to do with OS X
<elliottcable> setting up the Promise settings
<devyn> elliottcable: anyway, I'd recommend mining with 50btc (a pay-per-share pool) so you're guaranteed to get some return no matter what,
<devyn> and using cgminer
<devyn> because of how much tweaking it lets you do
<devyn> I'd recommend against trying mining on any integrated graphics cards, though. They'll just generate a lot of heat and not do much. You could try it.
<gkatsev> consider also litecoin. It's basically bitcoin but not. And because it's closer to infancy, you can get more LCs more easily.
<devyn> that's true as well, though if you're interested in doing an LTC->BTC exchange, you'll probably get less
<devyn> it does give you the option of using CPUs though, to mine, and actually getting somewhere with them
<devyn> because scrypt means it's only about 16x or 32x faster on high-end GPUs than high-end CPUs
<devyn> where the gap is much bigger with bitcoin's SHA
<gkatsev> yeah, LC is done via memory-hard problems
<devyn> it's also quite a bit more unlikely that ASICs will be made for litecoin mining. the memory would add a huge expense
<devyn> you've got to integrate a pretty fast memory controller, and then actually have the memory on there
<devyn> litecoin is also tuned for faster transactions
<devyn> honestly it would be so much better if we just forgot about bitcoin and moved to litecoin, lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> scrypt is a far better idea
<devyn> than requiring quadrillions of SHAs per block
<gkatsev> lol
<elliottcable> I can't figure out cgminer on OS X at the moment
<devyn> are you compiling it yourself or using a binary?
<devyn> actually, scratch that, where are you stuck
<devyn> lol
<elliottcable> was compiling
<elliottcable> don't really care right now
<devyn> okay
<elliottcable> ask me later
<devyn> okay
<elliottcable> probably getting dumped over text-message right now
<elliottcable> http://ell.io/iNFe
<devyn> elliottcable: :(
<elliottcable> Pretty sure Disk Utility just says “Estimated time remaining: 2 minutes” no matter *what* it's doing.
<elliottcable> Can't breathe, and can't type. Shaking. I'm so bad at this.
* devyn virtually hugs elliottcable
<devyn> there's nothing I can do to make you feel better, but I know this is hitting you hard
* elliottcable shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<elliottcable> it's a god-damned weekly occurence
<devyn> what is exactly?
<elliottcable> her, I, fighting
<elliottcable> we're the worst couple on the face of the planet.
<elliottcable> the *worst*. It's terrible. It's constantly, fucking, terrible.
* elliottcable breathes
<elliottcable> sorry.
* elliottcable shuts up, now
<devyn> elliottcable: well maybe you should just leave her? even if you love her, it's ultimately probably not worth it
<elliottcable> I don't know. I think about that every single fucking day.
<elliottcable> I want her, I want to be with her. I love her, she's unbelievably beautiful (and becoming more-so; dietary shit and gym) ... we have *spectacular* sex, *constantly* ... she's literally everything that I could want, in a relationship, and she challenges me, which is something not a single one of my uncounted exes has ever done ...
<elliottcable> so much more.
<devyn> but obviously not everything, because you'd rather not be fighting with someone all the time
<elliottcable> I could literally list reasons why I *should* do this for fifteen minutes straight.
<elliottcable> It doesn't seem fair, for none of that to matter, for a *single* reason that makes no sense, that neither of us can explain
<devyn> indeed
<devyn> oh no.
<gkatsev> cobol on cogs website is still amazing
<devyn> lololol
<purr> lol
<devyn> <h1>{{,144}}</h1> <!-- Title -->
<devyn> <h3>Posted {{,143}}</h3> <!-- Date -->
<devyn> > Run it with the built-in web server, `gross` (General READ OUT Server System):
<elliottcable> Interstates, oh my god, lol
<purr> lol
<elliottcable> ick, gross
<elliottcable> this guy is a programmer after my own heart.
<elliottcable> “double grumpies ”
<elliottcable> “rabbit ears”
<elliottcable> omg
<devyn> :p
<elliottcable> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> holy shit, never seen Starbucks cups as marked up as these http://l.devyn.me/ccr
<devyn> oops
<devyn> bug
<devyn> hold on a sec
<devyn> lol
<elliottcable> lkol
<devyn> this is what happens when, well, actually I don't know what happened here http://cl.ly/NxCU
<gkatsev> devyn: http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/most-expensive-starbucks-o.html imagine how marked up that would be if he didn't bring his own cup
<devyn> oh, I upgraded ruby, that's what
<devyn> oh and he got the birthday discount
<devyn> lololol
<purr> lol
<devyn> should work now
<devyn> lol
<purrr> [System] elliottcable pushed 1 new commit to Master: https://github.com/elliottcable/System/commit/2ccfe373f414b5ca9b6947cb67c2817b2ea77aab
<purrr> System/Master 2ccfe37 elliottcable: (- new) Adding Kim.local
<elliottcable> devyn ⑊ what is that a screenshot of?
<elliottcable> listing something? confused.
<devyn> elliottcable: ruby core dump'd on me. on linux, when that happens, by default, it'll print a big stack trace and list of loaded shared objects
<elliottcable> ah, yes
<elliottcable> Super-sad mode, *go*. http://ell.io/iFk4J
<devyn> elliottcable: beautiful, and so elliott
<elliottcable> “so elliott?”
<devyn> these kinds of problems don't really have much to do with intellect
<elliottcable> Well, I've no other way of approaching this.
<elliottcable> It's one of the largest problems I've ever approached, for various reasons; so I'm applying the most powerful tool in my arsenal to it.
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<nooga> what is this channel about? ;f
<FireFly> Are you saying the channel topic isn't clear enough?
<nooga> yes, that
<whitequark> devyn: yea I know, thanks
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<micahjohnston_> elliottcable: !
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<micahjohnston_> alexgordon:
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_!
<vil> other humans!
<vil> elliottcable: :(
<vil> elliottcable: good luck, I really REALLY hope it works out. I hate feeling that way, and I have yet to get a positive resolution out of it
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_: did you see my meditation on enums
<alexgordon> hey that would be a great title for a blog post
<alexgordon> if only I had a blog
<alexgordon> you know people are so caught up in the computation aspect of designing a programming language that they ignore the humble enum
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<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: yeah I did it was cool
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: yeah it'd be a good blog post in all reality
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_: can be summed up in one sentence: constant groups are entirely different to enums!
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: hm yeah
<micahjohnston_> c++ happens to only have enums for ints, right?
<alexgordon> c++ is very muddled
<alexgordon> :P
<alexgordon> but yeah
<alexgordon> integral types
<alexgordon> C++'s enums are exactly the wrong way around
<alexgordon> it has constant groups ("enum") and true enums ("enum class") but the constant groups don't require namespacing and the true enums do...
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<alexgordon> had a crazy idea, which probably someone has thought of already
<micahjohnston_> asdf
<micahjohnston_> irccloud is sometimes not letting me send messages :/
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: what idea?
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_: can you combine a balanced tree and a hash table? balanced trees are nice because they're efficient to expand, hash tables are nice because they have fast lookups (as long as your table is big enough) but they're very inefficient to add new elements to without either an expensive resize or expensive collisions
<nooga> why does all 'educational' scheme compilers/interpreters are written in scheme
<nooga> I don't have scheme, I don't want to bootstrap using naive ast walker
<nooga> meh
<micahjohnston_> asdf
<micahjohnston_> i hate you irccloud
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: would you like
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: hash to something which is put in a tree
<micahjohnston_> i have no idea
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<gqbrielle> hi vil
<vil> hi gqbrielle
<vil> what's up?
<gqbrielle> shaky from meds i got at the hospital yesterday.
<vil> ew :/
<gqbrielle> protip: if you ever have to go to the hospital, think about whether you want to STAY in the hospital for a few days before you mention/tell them if you happen to be suicidal.
<vil> yeah, I saw that on Twitter
<gqbrielle> i very nearly didn't get to leave.
<vil> glad you're ok, though
<gqbrielle> yeah....psych areas are unhappy places :S
<gqbrielle> they really need to like....paint them a calming color of blue or something
<gqbrielle> otherwise it's just a white jail cell
<gqbrielle> that happens to be in a hospital :S
<vil> I don't know why they don't
<gqbrielle> $ & priorities, probably
<vil> I get that white makes everything look clean, but…
<gqbrielle> yeah...
<gqbrielle> and it's cheaper to repaint it
<gqbrielle> i did pretty well 'cos my husband was with me, tho at one point i started crying/having a panic attack
<gqbrielle> because i was sad because i was in the hospital on easter
<gqbrielle> and they said if i didn't calm down donald would have to leave the room
<gqbrielle> or rather 'my visitor' would have to leave
<vil> wow.
<gqbrielle> it was harder after that.
<gqbrielle> in psych hospitals, things are considered priviles.
<gqbrielle> *privileges.
<gqbrielle> like, it's a privilege to use the phone, or to have visitors
<gqbrielle> or to be able to leave your room at all.
<gqbrielle> which is a good system in some ways.
<gqbrielle> and utterly shitty in others, or if you have doctors who don't understand you
<gqbrielle> or who don't care to try to understand you.
<gqbrielle> the attending psych nurse was great, but then his shift ended and he had to leave.
<gqbrielle> and some...other people...came in.
<gqbrielle> i'm sure they weren't being maliciious, just doing their job....
<gqbrielle> but it's hard when they make you feel like you're no longer human anymore
<gqbrielle> just a crazy animal in a cage....
<vil> man, that sucks
<gqbrielle> my husband his my grandma (when she got there after he gave her a call) were trying to convince me to stay the night, at least
<vil> yeah, I get they have to follow protocol and whatever, but it certainly doesn't help
<gqbrielle> i know why they were trying to. it's scary when someone close to you is suicidal
<gqbrielle> i needed to leave, though.
<vil> yeah
<gqbrielle> i suspect my PTSD has picked up a few new interesting flavors.
<vil> :/
<gqbrielle> my 3rd hospital visit in a year
<gqbrielle> i'm sure there will be more.
* gqbrielle sighs
* vil hugs gqbrielle
* gqbrielle hugs back
<vil> unfortunately I must go, class is about to start
<vil> I hope you feel better :)
<gqbrielle> i will :)
<gqbrielle> have fun
<vil> oh, tons
<gqbrielle> hehe
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* alexgordon furrows through his furrow-notes to find any lost features
<alexgordon> hah
<alexgordon> so some of these FAPs are good, and some of them are... not so good
<alexgordon> put ideas in a text file for a year or so, if you still agree with it after that, it's good!
<nooga> wut
<alexgordon> nooga: FAPs = Furrow Amendment Proposals
<audy> There is a pair of apple headphones in my building's computer lab but they're covered in some kind of sticky goo
<audy> It's a funny troll
<nooga> what is Furrow?
<alexgordon> nooga: everybody in this channel is making a programming language, and furrow is mine
<nooga> great
<nooga> I love making languages so I guess i fit in here
<alexgordon> there's a list somewhere
<nooga> cool
<alexgordon> omg I've cracked jazz improvisation
<nooga> please share
<nooga> alexgordon: start with F7sus4
<gkatsev> alexgordon: I'm not making a new PL.
<alexgordon> elliottcable: BAN HIM
<gkatsev> lol
<purr> lol
<gkatsev> I've written several languages when I took PL in college
<gkatsev> and I'm definitely interested in PL
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<devyn> reddit's april fools joke is mildly amusing
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<whitequark> wat
<alexgordon> gkatsev: you have to have a language to fit in here
<gqbrielle> wat
<gkatsev> alexgordon: lol
<purr> lol
<gqbrielle> have like, as a pet?
<gqbrielle> i think i have paws as a pet, by n ow
<gqbrielle> i've known ec long enough
<gkatsev> alexgordon: even if I did have a language, it's very far down my "never going to get to list"
<alexgordon> :D
<alexgordon> see, you don't fit in
<vil> my language is a pet!
<vil> I like to think of it as a cat
<vil> that's why it's never around
<vil> also I keep having to talk myself out of implementing objects in C for fun while working on my homework
<vil> I think I might have a problem
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<alexgordon> sup prophile
<alexgordon> you were gone for half a millisecond
<prophile> ohai
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<nooga> how about homoiconic javascript sans the bad parts
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<FireFly> So, Lua?
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<whitequark> what the fuck, homoiconic javascript?
<whitequark> without bad parts?
<whitequark> so you throw out both the syntax and semantics? >:]
<whitequark> that would be s-exp based Self then.
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<FireFly> ^_^
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