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<alexgordon> it's more difficult for me though, because I have no idea which country I'll be living in in 20 years :D
<ELLIOTTCABLE> a moderate approach. you shouldn't have trouble countering inflation, as long as you're not *too* volatility-adverse.
<alexgordon> I have the additional exchange rate risk
<alexgordon> if you live in america, you have the advantage of being able to invest in the same currency that you spend in
<alexgordon> I can't invest in UK companies, they're all run by idiots
<gkatsev> all of them?
<alexgordon> all of them!
<alexgordon> ;)
<alexgordon> the culture here is toxic. we'll never have an Apple or a Google
<prophile> ARM
<alexgordon> ARM was in the right place at the right time
<prophile> yes, the right place being the UK
<alexgordon> they're not good at what they do like Intel is
<prophile> uh, false, I'm gonna go with false
<alexgordon> if intel can make billions from a piece of crap like x86, they must have some serious smarts
<alexgordon> their technology is impressive on its own, but it's even more impressive when you consider it's all done with such a crappy arch
<prophile> intel's chips are not crappy
<alexgordon> right
<prophile> they are beautiful RISC machines
<alexgordon> but x86 is
<alexgordon> that's my point
<prophile> we just don't talk about the horrendous x86 decoder on the front
<prophile> x86 is quite easy to code for, which probably helped its market proliferation quite a bit
<prophile> and it's very similar to how their old microcontrollers looked
<prophile> on the surface at least
<alexgordon> they're beholden to backwards compatibility
<alexgordon> if they could just start over they'd be better off
<alexgordon> but they can't, so they make the best of it
<prophile> bullshit
<prophile> they tried it
<alexgordon> and man the best is good
<prophile> didn't work
<prophile> itanium sucked
<alexgordon> yes but not for technical reasons
<prophile> people moved on
<prophile> yes, it technically sucked
<prophile> as much as it sucked as something people would want to use
<prophile> VLIW is a waste of time unless you're manufacturing a DSP
<alexgordon> lol that's a strange definition of technical reasons
<purr> lol
<prophile> perhaps I misphrased
<prophile> there was no good reason to use it over x86
<prophile> which sucked
<alexgordon> right...
<prophile> and the technical failures were of the same magnitude as that
<alexgordon> anyway, my point is, while I'd bet on Intel still being dominant in 30 years, I can't say the same about ARM
<prophile> ARM are pretty dominant in the microcontroller world
<alexgordon> yes, right now
<prophile> even more so than microchip or atmel now
<prophile> i don't see that changing
<alexgordon> but what if someone else comes along and builds something better
<prophile> a valid point
<prophile> although motorola have stuck around in that area
<prophile> despite people coming along with better products
<prophile> (like ARM...)
<prophile> we'll see if the cloud computing thing takes off
<joelteon> do you guys know of any tools that run a command and split the stdout and stderr in two separate panes
<alexgordon> while Intel has so many smart people working there, I doubt it's possible to build a better Intel
<prophile> joelteon: what do you mean by panes?
<joelteon> idk, tmux windows, something with ncurses, whatever
<prophile> ah
<prophile> then yes
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> the suspense is killing me
<prophile> mkfifo
<prophile> and cat it in your second window
<prophile> then just redirect stderr into it with 2>/tmp/whatever
<joelteon> yeah, i know how to cat a file in a second window
<joelteon> i was asking whether you know of a tool that does that automatically
<alexgordon> joelteon: personally I'd write a python script
<alexgordon> but I'm crazy
<prophile> mkfifo and cat is pretty simple
<prophile> and you don't have to waste disk space like using a separate file
<joelteon> and it's like, five steps compared to "in-split ..."
<joelteon> I guess I'll write a script
<prophile> well
<prophile> you can do it with :exec magic too in screen
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<micahjohnston> hi
<purr> micahjohnston: hi!
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<alexgordon> micahjohnston: hi
<alexgordon> micahjohnston: bye!
<micahjohnston> aw
<micahjohnston> bye
<micahjohnston> alexgordon:
<micahjohnston> <3
<alexgordon> I wonder if mac minis are faster than my imac
<alexgordon> given that my imac is from 2007
<alexgordon> and given that mac pros will probably be too expensive when they come out
<alexgordon> still would have to buy a display
<alexgordon> £1594 for the whole deal
<alexgordon> screen + mini + keyboard + mouse
<alexgordon> also I guess I can always sell the mini and get a mac pro
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<devyn> SOAP is fun stuff /s
<joelteon> oh yeah i've heard about that
<joelteon> only circumstantially
<joelteon> why would you use soap
<devyn> integration with MS products >_<
<joelteon> why would you do that
<devyn> for work
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> oh ok i understand completely
<devyn> :p
<devyn> there's an OData API apparently, so I'll probably just use that, but it wasn't working before so I thought I was going to have to use SOAP
<devyn> and man, even *with* the Visual Studio .NET tools,
<devyn> it's fucking crazy
<devyn> on the other hand, OData is almost sane
<devyn> it's basically REST with crazy XML schemas on top that you don't really have to worry about unless you want to use it as OData specifically
<devyn> whereas with SOAP you actually do have to care about the ridiculous amounts of XML
<devyn> also OData can serialize to XML or JSON
<devyn> so that's nice
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<micahjohnston> alexgordon:
<micahjohnston> ec:
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