<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I seriously can't understand why you'd hide romantic interest. If someone's not interested, that's not going to change; and you're being rather misleading. If they *don't* want a friendship with romantic undertones, i.e. they're as you're assuming they are … why are you gonna lead them on and act as if you want something else that you actually don't?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
And worse, forgetting her for a moment, what's it gonna do to *you* when you put all this work into faking it! and then get inevitably friendzoned?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Fuck that. Be straight-forward about your feelings, strike out, and move on. Be happy and be real.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: all i'm getting from this is that you are single & unhappy about it?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gq: ugh ಠ_ಠ @ "don't help Elliott"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
U mean go 'way
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
okay finally -ground
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i have no idea what you mean.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: anyway.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
3:03 PM <gq> devyn: anyone who actually KNOWS ec should know to never do anything with his benefit in mind, it'll always backfire
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
uhhhhhuh
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: it's true
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: & you know it.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if i REALLY wanted to hurt your feelings,
<gq>
well, i shouldn't tell you.
<gq>
i should save it for a good moment.
* gq
grins
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Uhhhhuh.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: YOU STILL HAVEN'T TOLD ME WHY YOU'RE IN MONTANA YOU FUCKING DICK
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: you're within a day's drive of me!
<gq>
i could steal a car & see you!
<gq>
i mean, i won't, but i COULD.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Then maybe I'll drive over.
<gq>
do it!
<gq>
you could pick me up!
<gq>
we could go have adventures.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Meh.
<gq>
yeah, that's what i thought.
<gq>
and i STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN MONTANA D8
<gq>
probably something ill-advised.
<gq>
although montana is still better than the eastern seaboard.
<gq>
you could DIE before i see you again, over there!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Way
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I just moved away from the east o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I *lived* there.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Confus.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
iPad typing sucks.
<gq>
SEE THIS IS WSHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
<gq>
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU MOVED
* gq
begins to stab self slowly & methodically
<gq>
i am going to evisecerate myhself & post it all to your mother.
<gq>
with a note.
<gq>
"THIS IS ELLIOTT'S FAULT."
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Wat.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
You are my best friend.
<gq>
I KNOW
<gq>
AND YOU DON'T EVEN TELL ME WHEN YOU MOVE
<gq>
oh my god
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
* for values of "best" measured in WPM
<gq>
lel.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or wats-per-minute
<gq>
that reminds me
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<yorickpeterse> Cirque do prison
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<elliottcable> If you think anything important came out of Linus fucking around in his garage, then you’re naïve.
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<sephr> ok so the board is now forcing you to op me Deamonboy
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<ellio> IT IS SO DELICIOUS I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH ALL OF THESE TINY WINDOWS
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<whitequark> did you just invent hardware virtualiztaion?
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> my penis, it's so ready for you, devyn (=
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<joelteon> i'm singlehandedly trying to make yesod enterprise-ready
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<prophile> culturally speaking i'm covered in bees
<gq>
etc.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am in so much pain
<gq>
WHY
<gq>
emotional or physical? how can i fix it?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Physical, don't worry about it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gonna go see if my sis will cuddle, lonely and sleepy
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bbl sleepins'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or maybe readins'
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
some girl got me hooked on Brian Sanderson
<gq>
i still cannot believe you have a sister
<gq>
she's a step, right?
<gq>
stepsister?
<gq>
i did some stalking on facebook
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<gq>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> these people have strange penises
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<elliottcable> micahjohnston: … I don't think you understand how tampons work.
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> I quite like java's generics
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<Nuck> I love the feeling of blood on my dick
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<isaacbw> which is a TAP consuming reporter
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: wat.
<gq>
-what
<purr>
* devyn explodes
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<joelteon> barack obama is dead?
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<alexgordon> I quite like java's generics
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<othiym23> why does JS hate Vietnamese?
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<whitequark> Complex suicide by ethanol intoxication and inhalation of fire fumes in an old lady: interdisciplinary elucidation including post-mortem analysis of congener alcohols.
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<devyn> I could grow a beard, but I'm worried that I'd look like gandalf
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<devyn> elliottcable: eboyjr's boobs
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<gkatsev> yes, the tattoo of a beard
<gq>
-what
<purr>
<Navarr> i'm wondering if #Paws isn't really a language, but a state of zen
* gq
smirks
<Cheery>
hmm
<Cheery>
I see I end up having two coercion rules for booleans.
<Cheery>
boolean can be coerced to integer
<Cheery>
but anything can be coerced to boolean
<Cheery>
still. anything should not be coerced to integer as boolean
<Cheery>
maybe it's good thing. mayb enot
<Cheery>
happily I made it easy to create primitive C functions that implement features
<Cheery>
also sneering why C doesn't have proper macro language
<Cheery>
it recognises comments, symbols, parenthesis now.
<Cheery>
and prints them out
<gq>
cute!
<Cheery>
8 more states and it recognises the whole language, and is capable of parsing itself.
<gq>
very fancy.
<Cheery>
this is kind of unique for lisp family of languages.
<Cheery>
I'm actually studying.. why is it.
<gq>
i see.
<Cheery>
common modern programming languages do not differ much from lisp. you practically just strap a syntax over lisp and you get javascript.
<gq>
i see!
<Cheery>
that's why it's odd that only lisp ends up conveniently implemented in the manner I'm doing it now.
<gq>
hm.
<Cheery>
there may be multiple reasons to that. I'm not sure which actually contributes.
<Cheery>
it might be that languages are indeed implemented this way, but that fact diminishes away when they evolve.
<gq>
ah.
<Cheery>
but might be that lisp as a language enables certain kind of thinking that is harder with another language to maintain.
<Cheery>
even might be that people who implemented the previous languages didn't understood lisp or their implementations.
<gq>
possibly! i don't think i've heard of lisp before
<gq>
people like to complain about javascript, though
<gq>
for sure.
<Cheery>
you heard me talking about continuation passing style?
<Cheery>
or read.. writing.
<Cheery>
it's compilation strategy amongst other things what it is.
<Cheery>
the forms of lisp are converted to code that can be evaluated on computer hardware.
<gq>
makes sense.
<Cheery>
the continuation passing style is capable of representing any control flow there can be.
<Cheery>
control flow - idea of what is evaluated after which.
<Cheery>
lets consider call forms again.
<gq>
i see.
<Cheery>
(a b c d)
<Cheery>
a is evaluated, then b, then c, then d
<gq>
uhuh
<gq>
just a quick question
<gq>
Cheery: where did ELLIOTTCABLE pick you up? or have you always been her but i didn't notice?
<gq>
been *here
<Cheery>
katlogic told me about elliotcable and this channel 2 months ago.
<Cheery>
about~
<gq>
oh, cool
<gq>
yeah i definitely was not around then, so hey
<gq>
hope you're enjoying the experience so far.
<Cheery>
sure. it's been fun here.
<gq>
good! we try to keep it fun. sometimes unintentionally.
<gq>
i've been hanging around this room in particular or its earlier iterations since 2009.
<gq>
i'm glad it's still attracting new people.
<Cheery>
anyway, the value gotten from a is called with values gotten from b c d
<gq>
mkay
<Cheery>
now there's special form (func (x y z) body)
<Cheery>
that evaluates to function.
<gq>
mhm
<Cheery>
whenever a function is called, it first binds the values it got into it's argument variables. (x y z)
<Cheery>
so if a evaluated to that function. the (x = b) (y = c) (z = d)
<Cheery>
in the lisp variant I'm working on, if there's too few arguments, the variables with no value to bind get null -value.
<Cheery>
null is a value representing idea of nothing
<Cheery>
after it binds the variables, it starts evaluating the body. form by form
<gq>
makes sense.
<Cheery>
once it finishes, it takes the last value of last form evaluated, and that's what the (a b c d) evaluatos to.
<gq>
i see.
<Cheery>
now the concept of continuation.
<Cheery>
continuation is an idea of where to return after a function call. where the last value of function goes to.
<Cheery>
continuation passing style acknowledges that continuation itself is a value, sort of a function.
<gq>
mhm.
<Cheery>
and that functions are functions, that take a continuation where to return after an evaluation.
<Cheery>
this is hard concept, but it's very powerful.
<gq>
i get it, i think.
<Cheery>
it means that function doesn't necessarily ever return.
* yorick
recently had his mind blown by the continuation monad
<Cheery>
the control flow can diverge from it's path, that would be fixed in language such as javascript
<yorick>
or it could return multiple times
<Cheery>
yeah. it might do something like in that one movie.
<Cheery>
deja vu.
<Cheery>
wasn't the name of the movie, but an experience that might represent calling same continuation twice.
<gq>
i think someone is trying to doxx me.
<gq>
how irritating.
<Cheery>
this also means that control flow doesn't need to stay on same path constantly, but it can diverge and return back to it again.
<Cheery>
for example, a function call might trigger a download from the internet, it would return with the download result.
<Cheery>
meanwhile, if there's a continuation programmed, it could do something else while waiting for download result.
<Cheery>
javascript actually.. in the end. does this exactly same.
<Cheery>
it's just that people write in the continuation passing style.
<Cheery>
they have to explicitly give a function which to evaluate when the result is ready.
<gq>
mhm.
<Cheery>
if it was compiled to continuations, they could just think that evaluation of (download file) evaluates to the file once it's been download. meanwhile the program is just doing something else.
<yorick>
just exactly like the newfangled generator things
<Cheery>
the thing equivalent to what javascript is doing is this: (download file (func (result) (process result)))
<Cheery>
that evaluates to null, or something other value the user does nothing with.
<Cheery>
the program that otherwise could be just a list of forms explodes into a single, gigantic form.
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<gq>
well, that sounds....chaotic.
<gq>
hi alexgordon.
<alexgordon>
hi gq
<Cheery>
the continuations are very chaotic concept.
<gq>
mhm. that's why i like them.
<Cheery>
thinking about this now.. I'm having few ideas how to apply it in a very convenient structure.
<Cheery>
need to test them.
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<Cheery>
next I should design some data structures
<Cheery>
doing that tomorrow
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<glowcoil>
hi
<purr>
glowcoil: hi!
<alexgordon>
hi glowcoil !!
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<glowcoil>
hi alexgordon !
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<gq>
Cheery: i kinda dipped out on ya last night. sorry. i fell asleep 'cos of my meds
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<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I think if all you want is the romance part of it then it's not even worth it anyway
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: like you say, there's no point lying about it, but I'm not suggesting to lie about it anyway
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if you're really interested in someone you should be interested in them enough that you don't purely want them as a romantic object
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: thank you.
<gq>
er, devyn, thank you.
<gq>
GOD
<gq>
typos today.
<gq>
devyn: it's like he talks all this bullshit loudly in complete sentences & i can't think of an answer because i'm so CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE HE IS AND WHY
<gq>
which he STILL HASN'T TOLD ME
<gq>
because i hurt his feelings by being 'HONEST AND REAL' hurrrrr
<devyn>
he's in montana...
<gq>
i know, devyn
<devyn>
& he lives in chicago
<gq>
yes.
<gq>
i know.
<devyn>
kay
<devyn>
:p
<gq>
last i checked he had a house in bozeman
<gq>
& he fully admitted he hared off to bozeman
<gq>
because something is bothering him.
<gq>
so, knowing his capacity for chaos, my immediate reaction is, WHO IS DEAD, WHAT IS WRONG, PLEASE DO NOT KILL YOURSELF, DO NOTHING UNTIL I GET THERE.
<devyn>
well, it seems like his sister is around
<devyn>
so it's not like he's alone
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
2:53 PM <+devyn> ELLIOTTCABLE: if you're really interested in someone you should be interested in them enough that you don't purely want them as a romantic object
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
romance isn't sex.
<gq>
i do not trust any member of his family to take care of him until proven otherwise.
<gq>
ah, there you are.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and being interested in someone as a relationship, is a **completely different thing** from being only interested in them as a friend,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and one doesn't change into the other.
<gq>
devyn: (his family is full of crazy, abusive idiots)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not without *years* of familiarity and working together on that.
<gq>
also true.
<gq>
well, for you anyway.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
2:54 PM <gq> because i hurt his feelings by being 'HONEST AND REAL' hurrrrr
<gq>
i regularly get crushes on friends & vice versa.
<gq>
it's....a problem.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A) didn't not tell you because you hurt my feelings; I'm not in a place where ‘don't work with elliott it'll screw you over’ is going to hurt me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(mostly because it makes no sense, is patently untrue, and there's no related almost-truths for it to sting?)
<gq>
i could make you lose all your money
<gq>
which you know, but have apparently forgotten about. again.
<gq>
WHY AM I DOING THIS
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and B), related, I do not see how telling devyn not to work with me because ‘anyone who works with me gets screwed over’ is honest and true o_O
<gq>
ugh
<gq>
if you can't see why, then don't worry about it.
<gq>
devyn: i'm sorry if i gave you that impression.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
remind me where you've ever worked with me?
<gq>
:/
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i haven't because i consider you inherently unstable & a bad business partner.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I mean, fuhreals, if we're going to talk about this, explain what you mean.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or, I mean, don't. I care little.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
in montana seeing family
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no internet here, communicating is hard, hence why I'm off IRC
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no girl involved, and not suicidal, and not really going to be around here much
<gq>
okay. all this is good to know.
<gq>
thank you.
<gq>
now i can stop worrying about you. hopefully.
<gq>
:(
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
okies
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've got other problems, of course, my life is insane; but none of them have to do with being here, nor are any of them particularly pressing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Life As Normal.™
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
on the original point: romance isn't sex; and romantic interest isn't something you push down and hide away until you get some inkling of the same back.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
have you ever *been* targetted by romanic interest, and not known?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as you yourself (or maybe gq) intimated … it really sucks.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
It feels deeply like a betrayal.
<devyn>
nor is romantic interest a boolean, though
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Everybody knows one-sided relationships don't work well …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and that means the entire time you were “just friends,” the time you invested in a particular relationship with somebody, was a lie.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
they were just *waiting*, faking that particular relationship, hoping it would somehow end up in the other kind.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that works the other way around, too.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've know *many* people who faked the romantic interest, because they didn't want to lose a ‘best friend;’ while secretly, they were finding they weren't interested ‘in that way’, and just wanted their best friend back.
<gq>
devyn: yeah, the last time i BIG 'ragequit #elliottcable forever' it was because of an attempt at romantic relationship that went wrong
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
In fact, I know one particularly unhappy person who *got married* into that particular situation.
<gq>
i said i was never coming back, like never really never ever.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ugh.
<gq>
i did, because i'm stupid.
<gq>
:P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what? I don't recall that. I didn't think you ragequit last time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Thought you were just away for a while. o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
last time you flipped out that I remember was well over a year ago.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway.
<gq>
ELLIOTTCABLE: no, i'm talking about the thing with Jenna.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol.
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what did that have to do with an attempt at a romantic relationship …
<gq>
don't worry about it.
<gq>
seriously, don't.
<gq>
it's super depressing and i don't want to think about it atm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
kay.
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: situations like that are abundant, of course, but I think they're also pretty obvious. if you know what's good for you, you avoid that
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: *however* I think it's not either or; there are plenty of other things that can happen
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: and so I don't think romantic interest has to be the defining characteristic of a relationship; there are other things that can be important enough to overcome that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's not about the romantic interest itself.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's a keyword for one particular quadrant of the phase-space of interpersonal relationships.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but *whichever quadrant you're heading towards*, hiding that from the other person is *universally* unhealthy and *universally* leads to some form of eventual pain, on the part of one part or the other participant,
<gq>
'universally'
<gq>
citations pls.
<gq>
seriously though the use of the word 'quadrant' for relationships makes me suspect that what you are doing is attempting to fix everyone in here's perception of how easy relationships are
<gq>
just a suspicion, tho.
<devyn>
gq: believe he's thinking of relationship qualities on a cartesian plot, like political compass
<gq>
devyn: mhm!
<devyn>
but eh,
<devyn>
not that simple
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“3:13 PM <gq> seriously though the use of the word 'quadrant' for relationships makes me suspect that what you are doing is attempting to fix everyone in here's perception of how easy relationships are”