jbenet changed the topic of #ipfs to: IPFS - InterPlanetary File System - https://github.com/jbenet/ipfs -- channel logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ -- code of conduct at https://github.com/ipfs/community/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md -- sprint at https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/7
<Tv`> jbenet: every handler is a separate goroutine: https://github.com/bazil/fuse/blob/master/fs/serve.go#L365
<jbenet> thanks
<daviddias> (was on the subway home, got your msg now) jbenet aaaa! :) thank you
<jbenet> daviddias: go celebrate!
<daviddias> ahah okok :)
<daviddias> today was a pretty good day :)
<rschulman> celebrating!!!
<rschulman> why are we celebrating?
<jbenet> daviddias just got done with his thesis
<lgierth> yay congrats
<daviddias> killed that goliath today :) thank you!
<lgierth> daviddias: i read you want to come to battlemesh too right?
<lgierth> so we're gonna be a proper travel group
<daviddias> lgierth I'm totally down for battlemesh! :) Just need to figure out travel plans
<daviddias> But hey, if you have extra seat on that car, I take it, would love to join the road trip
<lgierth> don't have a driver's license :)
<lgierth> i don't think cjd has one either
<daviddias> isn't there a plan for a road trip in place? Maybe I misunderstood
<lgierth> i think you folks are gonna love battlemesh
<lgierth> is there? i didn't know
<daviddias> I believe it too :)
<daviddias> need to get some hw all set up for that
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<jbenet> i have a US license, does that work in the EU?
<jbenet> we can also take a train
* jbenet likes fast european trains
<lgierth> i like the not-crazy-fast trains, looking out the window is so calming
<lgierth> good for coding
<lgierth> :]
<lgierth> wow the train connection between berlin and maribor is really bad
<lgierth> not too bad actually. there's a night train to vienna, then 2h later vienna->maribor. 17h total, but with beds
<jbenet> we could also hang out in vienna a day or two. ipfs@viennaopera
<jbenet> make the leg nicer
<lgierth> dch lives in vienna
<jbenet> awesome
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<lgierth> btw, by car it's 1000 km, so i'd really prefer the train
<lgierth> or flight -- although that's boring :)
<jbenet> +1 for train. particularly if we setup a train mesh.
<jbenet> :D
<lgierth> wagon-to-wagon
<lgierth> w2w
<lgierth> the ninux folks came by bike last year, from italy
<jbenet> tunneling packets over wifi mesh while tunneling humans under a mountain
<lgierth> :)
<lgierth> or we could try and own the onboard paid wifi
<lgierth> open it up to the general public :)
<lgierth> only if it's in slovenia legal of course
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<jbenet> yep
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<heliumcraft> hello
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<heliumcraft> anyone aronud?
<jbenet> heliumcraft there always are people around-- just ask
<heliumcraft> srry , it's late in europe and north america so lots of ppl not around :)
<heliumcraft> it's sort of noobish question: after adding a directory with "ipfs add -r dir/", I want to access one of the files (index.html), I got the hash , how do I acess it in the browser? I tried different thing without much success
<heliumcraft> ah just got it :) it's in 8080
<heliumcraft> this is amazing
<jbenet> yep
<jbenet> :) thanks
<heliumcraft> and with directory hash the paths are relative, that's really really good
<heliumcraft> gtg, I have something in the pipeline for this, hopefully you will like it :)
<heliumcraft> cheers
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<jbenet> people should learn to have ircbouncers and/or irccloud
<jbenet> ogd: let's make friends the new irc.
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<antonio_l1> Has anyone has trouble running the tests for go-ipfs using "make test" from the project root directory? I see random failures in the unit tests when the runner starts the tests under the fuse/ directory. The unit test failures will start with an unmount error with a message "fusetest# not found in /etc/mtab" and following tests start failing following that trigger. I find that I can run all the unit tests fine if I modify the go test command in the makefil
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<aatkin_> Looking forward to keystore. Any one find the person who was able to get a custom ipfs build running on mobile? I remember jbenet mention that you could theoretically have a custom bulid for mobile that had another node do its routing.
<aatkin_> Second question from the Eris folks is how would you configure ipfs so that you are only using a set of known/whitelisted nodes?
<jbenet> aatkin_ keystore coming-- we're promoting to having both the "keychain" and "keystore" (keychain is like a super basic merkledag of keys and proofs)
<jbenet> aatkin_ yes can do routing from other nodes, the code is actually there, under the name "snr" (supernode routing). this will be renamed "delegated routing".
<jbenet> aatkin_ if you want to spend some time setting it up, it could be a useful experiment; and yes people have made both android and iOS builds already.
<aatkin_> very cool. Can whitelist only ipfs networks be configured just from the config file?
<jbenet> aatkin_ we havent setup the whitelisting yet, but this isn't hard. depending on how much of a priority it is, we could think about this sooner. if you guys could lend us a hand to implement could even happen in the next couple weeks.
<jbenet> (i expect it's really about 2-3 days of work by 1 dev.
<jbenet> probably could be done in one day if you know the codebase well)
<aatkin_> I'll mention it to Casey. I'm just an Eris user BTW. I need to learn go & js. :)
<aatkin_> Thx
<jbenet> sure np
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<rmk0> 'lo. i've been reading the literature and am wondering if anyone's given any thought as to how to build a maven-like packaging system on top of ipfs
<rmk0> i can elaborate a bit if people aren't familiar with maven
<jbenet> rmk0 yeah we're headed in this direction too.
<jbenet> rmk0 but closer to nix
<rmk0> hm!
* rmk0 eyes it
<rmk0> ah, right, that's slightly different... i was thinking more about the way the repository of non-installed packages is handled
<jbenet> rmk0 try the maven hack though-- i bet you could get something pretty solid quickly
<jbenet> rmk0 ok what do youu mean?
<rmk0> are you familiar with maven at all? i'm not sure where i should start explaining
<jbenet> i used once, a long time ago.
<rmk0> basically... developers publish packages to maven central:
<jbenet> yep
<rmk0> it's not tied to using one repository, but for the purposes of not having everyone endlessly reconfigure repositories, everyone tend to publish there
<rmk0> individuals have permission to publish packages to specific groups, for example i have permission to publish packages for com.io7m.* and com.jogamp.*
<rmk0> http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Ccom.io7m
<rmk0> etc
<rmk0> it's that side of it that i'm interested in... having a distributed repository but with controls on the parts of the repository that individuals can publish to
<rmk0> it would be pretty evil if someone published a new version of one of my packages using my group id... the packages are pgp signed so it'd be clear the package didn't come from me, but that does require people to be checking signatures
<jbenet> so you basically want a PKI based namespace and to control access one each node down the namespace tree
<rmk0> yeah, sounds about right
<jbenet> yep, can do it with ipfs. this, btw, publishing ACLs on a tree, is a very nice sub-problem to tackle
<rmk0> i'm mildly interested in attempting a java implementation of ipfs, but i'm not sure how much is involved
<jbenet> there's a few different interesting designs, with tradeoffs between being fully distributed, etc
<rmk0> i'm listening!
<jbenet> rmk0 not trivial yet wait a bit longer
<jbenet> well can have either an IPNS tree, where each node is a different name, so can republish it to mean different things, and giving publishing access gives people the name key. ("a publish cap" in tahoe-lafs / flow control parlance)
<jbenet> information flow control*
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<rmk0> i see
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<rmk0> .. nice!
<jbenet> or can have ipfs trees, and only have ipns trees at "gatekeeper" points, so people would publish through gatekeeper processes, without having the keys themselves, but with some auth
<jbenet> there's many more possible designs, et.
<jbenet> etc.
<rmk0> i'm working on a small system for managing resource files in games and the like: http://fossil.io7m.com/repo.cgi/io7m-jnecto/index
<rmk0> briefly, it's a dependency management system for packages, and packages are installed into an sqlite-like repository and used by the games at runtime
<rmk0> solves a lot of the problems such as installing third party mods (has transactional upgrades and so on, due to it being a relational database)
<rmk0> distribution of the actual package files is the bit i'm looking for better solutions to
<rmk0> currently it's very centralized as they're just served from an http server as with maven
<rmk0> someone told me about ipfs a couple of weeks ago and it seemed like it would fit nicely
<jbenet> yeah i think it would
<jbenet> it could take care of some of your versioning things too, but dont fix what isn't broken :)
<rmk0> hehe, right
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<zignig> whyrusleeping : are you asleep ?
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<whyrusleeping> zignig: awake now
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<whyrusleeping> !friends
<pinbot> my friends are: whyrusleeping jbenet tperson krl kyledrake
<whyrusleeping> hrm
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<whyrusleeping> !friends
<pinbot> my friends are: whyrusleeping jbenet tperson krl kyledrake zignig
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<dPow> my friends are: !whyrusleeping
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<whyrusleeping> dPow: :(
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<dPow> I think I just killed one of my nodes by asking it to recursively name publish to itself
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool opened pull request #1338: Add DCO and commit-message.md (master...commit-messages) http://git.io/vIG9m
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<dPow> Dylan's theme this morning: Tried using IPFS and...errors errors errors. Now he's a sad panda :(
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<dPow> For some reason the commands I'm running seem to not want to talk to the daemon? Instead they appear to be trying to run offline?
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool opened pull request #1339: Godeps: update cheggaaa/pb to the latest version (master...update-cheggaaa-pb) http://git.io/vIZfn
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<sprintbot> Sprint Checkin! [whyrusleeping jbenet cryptix wking lgierth krl kbala_ rht__]
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<wking> sprintbot: relax, it's the weekend ;)
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<wking> whyrusleeping: I'm back to work on the Docker-registry driver, and still missing 'patch' bindings in whyrusleeping/ipfs-shell. Do you have any WIP for that, or should I start a branch based on your current master?
<lgierth> checkin: weekend
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<whyrusleeping> sprintbot: who programmed you? they obviously were lazy and didnt bother to check for weekends
<lgierth> non-trivial problems :)
<lgierth> to be fair, ipfs/pm.git says sprint checking *every day* :)
<whyrusleeping> dPow: what did you do?
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: that *is* true
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<jbenet> wking: anywhere's fine, we can consolidate later
<jbenet> dPow bummer about the errors-- is this master?
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] harlantwood opened pull request #1340: fix typo (master...patch-1) http://git.io/vIZgl
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<chriscool> Hi everyone!
<daviddias> hey :)
<lgierth> o/
<chriscool> \o
<jbenet> o/
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<chriscool> \o jbenet: do you agree with seting up GitCop?
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<jbenet> chriscool yeah i think we need a bot like that if we're going to require commit message trailers. im concerned about the image-- as you saw in my email
<jbenet> chriscool can we add text to the commit message git cop gives us?
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<jbenet> like make it a bit more friendly and add a link to a special issue in github.com/ipfs/infrastructure for gitcop feedback ?
<chriscool> my opinion on the image and the name is that it's funny
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<chriscool> yeah we can change the text and add links
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<jbenet> chriscool that's good to hear :)
<chriscool> right now the text is: Guidelines are available at https://github.com/chriscool/go-ipfs/commit-message.md
<chriscool> but I can put something else
<chriscool> what do you want?
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<chriscool> I can add "Your feedback about using GitCop is welcome in https://github.com/ipfs/infrastructure/issues/XXX"
<chriscool> and create the issue first
<jbenet> sounds good
<lgierth> jbenet: so how many people are coming to battlemesh and camp? you, me, ralphtheninja, daviddias?
<lgierth> i'm planning trip and equipment with cjd
<jbenet> lgierth oh cool, should we start a discussion on github? maybe in https://github.com/ipfs/community somewhere?
<lgierth> yeah that's good
<lgierth> but off the top of your head, any others so far?
<jbenet> whyrusleeping should come too. i think mappum would love it too
<jbenet> who else wants to come??
<lgierth> cryptix maybe
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<jbenet> yeah and krl
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<ralphtheninja> lgierth: yes I'm coming
<ralphtheninja> lgierth: I think four more will travel with me
<ralphtheninja> lgierth: and there's probably a bunch of others as well .. mafintosh is going I think
<chriscool> jbenet: ok the new issue is there https://github.com/ipfs/infrastructure/issues/23
<ralphtheninja> and maxogden as well
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<jbenet> ogd o/
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<ralphtheninja> ogd oh he's here :)
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<chriscool> jbenet: now https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/1338 should be merged before we setup GitCop
<jbenet> sorry i had commented over at https://github.com/chriscool/go-ipfs/pull/1
<jbenet> lgierth: how big is the cjdns group? and is everyone up for going to battlemesh + ccc after?
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<lgierth> jbenet: rough headcount is 6
<lgierth> ralphtheninja: i'm taking care of berlin -> maribor -> berlin -> camp -> berlin and if you want i'll count you in
<lgierth> there's a few more from #squatconf
<jbenet> sounds good
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<ralphtheninja> lgierth: we started a separate gang, we are five I think
<ralphtheninja> not exactly decided yet, but I think we're going to go by car from berlin to maribor and back
<jbenet> i think we can all post our plans and groups can coalesce or divide as they need
<ralphtheninja> aye
<ralphtheninja> decentralized :)
<lgierth> peer to peer
<lgierth> pun to pun
<jbenet> hahaha
<jbenet> does anyone know a team account/password manager that doesn't horribly suck?
<jbenet> (like accounts for random websites, etc)
<daviddias> Meldium (https://www.meldium.com/) doesn't "horribly" suck, but pw management is still pw management
<jbenet> yeah, using meldium atm. it's the best i've seen so far
<jbenet> like, all of this stuff pretends a high level of security bit it really isn't. there's no automatic re-keying or anything. its a level of security slightly above a google doc spreadsheet. in the end people have to be able to copy-paste passwords. maaaan auth is so broken. ok i'll shut up now because this is such a complicated problem
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<jbenet> one thing meldium does well is guide people that have no idea about this what to do-- they have good human protocols
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool created use-go-sleep (+3 new commits): http://git.io/vIZMt
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/use-go-sleep d4e0ad9 Christian Couder: Vendor github.com/chriscool/go-sleep...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/use-go-sleep 30a73da Christian Couder: Build go-sleep...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/use-go-sleep 00c39db Christian Couder: Use go-sleep to sleep...
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<lgierth> whyrusleeping cryptix krl: travel plans for battlemesh and camp, please confirm in there that we should count you in: https://pad.meshwith.me/p/cccamp
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool opened pull request #1341: Use github.com/chriscool/go-sleep (master...use-go-sleep) http://git.io/vIZMb
<Luzifer> finally… moved my public ipfs node to my own internet connection to avoid that firewall hazzle the netscan-stuff caused… Btw: I set a bounty to the corresponding issue… maybe we'll get a solution more quick :D
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<jbenet> Luzifer: thanks, sorry for the hassle
<jbenet> ogd are you around?
<jbenet> actually, any of ogd mafintosh feross bret
<jbenet> i want to use friends but keep running into issues -- it either doesn't load (white screen) or "nobody is there", i've yet to get to chatting with others.
<Luzifer> jbenet: yeah the real hazzle currently is that not one of those automatic firewall thingies plays well with docker… ufw, ferm… they all just kill dockers firewall rules and leave the docker host totally broken
<jbenet> Luzifer: yeah software's a mess :) but we can do better, and we will. just sorry on the timing
<daviddias> Auth should (not 100% sure of every sec implication of the following statement, but it would be good) should be governed and federated like a public service. Pretty much every country has a Citizen ID system, in Europe, we even have cards with PKCS#11 for digital auth in Social and Finance services (which aren't that expensive to produce), I would love to
<daviddias> have a way to have Citizen Auth API to integrate with any kind of app and be able to share permissions by saying that person ID #ABCDEF has the right too.
<Luzifer> jbenet: you just can't solve all the problems at once… trust me… I've tried :D
<jbenet> daviddias: entirely agreed
<jbenet> the problem is made difficult because auth is something all websites implement differently, and with passwords. OpenID, OAuth , and so on have all been good tries, but we're not yet close
<Luzifer> jbenet: and you definitely do have a better overview over the project so I'm not complaining about your prioritization…
<jbenet> (and most people abuse OAuth, too. like github, they dont have granular permissions. No i dont want to give "random CI tester that came out this week" full R/W access to _all_ my repos.
<jbenet> had to make https://github.com/ipfsbot just to bypass that
<jbenet> like, all anyone has to do is compromise travisci.com to get access to all the important things people are storing on github.
<Luzifer> true. (I'd like to learn about their credential-encryption stuff…)
<daviddias> That is very troublesome and worrying indeed, I've had to go through a similar experience or some of the times, just even give up on trying a new service cause of that. That issue is parallel to the fact that Network HW providers hold a ton of tunnels to every ISP and datacenter out there, owning such company (which typically are very large and clunky), can
<daviddias> represent a backdoor to everyone's system.
<daviddias> But what I know as far from github, is that they want to change that, but due to impl details, it is very hard now, same thing for having private issues
<jbenet> one of the most succinct articulations of the problem is the first few sentences in this schneier talk https://youtu.be/wQJC2MMB8nA?t=13
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<jbenet> daviddias yeah i've talked to many github employees about this, they dislike the status quo but it's sadly not so high in the company's revenue line to cross the hurdles of fixing them
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] jbenet pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vIZxh
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 553960d Juan Batiz-Benet: Merge pull request #1339 from ipfs/update-cheggaaa-pb...
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<whyrusleeping> hrm