Turl changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - See http://linux-sunxi.org | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ | Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi
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<jyzhiyu> hello
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<jyzhiyu_> hello?
<jyzhiyu_> anybody here?
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<jyzhiyu_> who can operate spi bus
<jyzhiyu_> who can operate spi bus in full duplex mode in A10 platform? I had trouble. pls help
<jyzhiyu_> when I send the struct data, the driver printfk "[spi]: drivers/spi/spi_sunxi.c(L1025) cpu tx data time out!"
<jyzhiyu_> had anyone meet this issue?
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<bsdfox> isn't spi inherently full duplex?
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<jyzhiyu_> i am not sure. I try to understand the driver code.
<jyzhiyu_> now i am testing this code:http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/spi/spidev_fdx.c
<jyzhiyu_> thanks Gustavo ZAMBONI
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<mnemoc> moin
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<gzamboni> moin
<gzamboni> i will add some spidev , i2cdev and gpio contents into the wiki, where should i link them on the main page ??
<gzamboni> well, gpio i will put into gpio in the hardware selection
<gzamboni> i will just update the current page adding the adittional stuff and also commenting about using gpio in the mainline
<gzamboni> i was wondering if its ok to put into hardware as they are protocols to control hardware ics
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: hey ho
<libv> hno: well, in that fel mode i can do a fel version np
<libv> hno: but it just hangs with no messages when trying to read anything
<mnemoc> ouch
<oliv3r> mnemoc: newsupdate, A23 is sun8i
<libv> i have a config.gz
<libv> but nothing else
<oliv3r> someone please just shoot Puneet B
<oliv3r> or give him classes
<libv> intelligence is partly genetic
<wens> so A20 is the only sun7i?
<oliv3r> wens: atm yeah
<wens> performance wise, seems allwinner is at a disadvantage
<oliv3r> on A20 A23?
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> but price wise i think they are still very cheap
<mnemoc> oliv3r: meh.... hopefully the quad core variant keeps the same sunNi
<oliv3r> mnemoc: sun8i :)
<oliv3r> sun9i
<wens> dual/quad Cortex-A7 @ 40nm vs dual/quad Cortex-A9 @ 28nm for rockchip
<mnemoc> sunAi or sun10i :/
<oliv3r> wens: at what cost however
<oliv3r> wens: a20 is about 7 USD a pop
<mnemoc> rk relies in a lot of companion chips
<mnemoc> aw doesn't
<oliv3r> aw does less :p
<oliv3r> mnemoc: did you manage to get lxr running?
<wens> mnemoc: companion chips? like phys and stuff?
<mnemoc> only the pmu
<libv> one thing though, about the a23
<mnemoc> wens rk3188 onpy provides RGB
<libv> seems it has really good batter life
<mnemoc> so you need extra ic for hdmi or lvds
<oliv3r> a23 is claimed to be 'the most power efficient SoC'
<oliv3r> radxa rock does seem to be heavier populate
<mnemoc> hopefully using mali
<oliv3r> a23 is yeah
<oliv3r> mnemoc: did you fix lxr?
<mnemoc> haven't started the lxr yet
<oliv3r> or rather, do you we have an 'active' kernel dir somewhere? hmm, actually, when you build the nightlies you check them out somewhere right?
<oliv3r> i'm testing a doxygen script now on my local box
<oliv3r> the conf we can simply move over and call after each checkout :)
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<mnemoc> the nightlies are done on my build server, geeks.cl
<mnemoc> what access?
<mnemoc> want*
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<oliv3r> oh, i thought they where dun on the same as dl.linux-sunxi.org
<oliv3r> done*
<oliv3r> so how do you transfer them over?
<oliv3r> basically; i'd want to run doxygen on the kernel/u-boot after your script is done successfully building the kernel
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: same physical server, but the builder is on a separated lxc, due to resource handling
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: saw the sunxi-nightlies repo?
<mnemoc> you can hook the doxygen code there
<oliv3r> yeah i'll look into that, if you can give me access that'd be cool
<mnemoc> 5m
<oliv3r> no rush :)
<mnemoc> oliv3r: you already had access...
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: olver, riley key
<mnemoc> oliver*
<oliv3r> mnemoc: geeks.cl?
<mnemoc> yes
<oliv3r> mnemoc: i have so much access, i'm all powerfull!
<mnemoc> and /srv/build/amery/allwinner/sunxi-nightly
<oliv3r> ok
<oliv3r> yeah that looks exactly where it should plug in
<oliv3r> so how does content get from one to the other?
<mnemoc> build.sh does rsync
<oliv3r> ah ok
<oliv3r> ok i'll check it out
<oliv3r> mnemoc: example of how it will look like
<mnemoc> look for push_nightly
<oliv3r> ok
<mnemoc> should I turn off the cron job while you play?
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<oliv3r> nah
<mnemoc> ok
<oliv3r> am optimizing the config files first here
<oliv3r> then do a manual run there
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<oliv3r> anybody experienced with doxygen and callgraphs? :)
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<oliv3r> fedora 20 conciders arm its main arch; wow
<oliv3r> oh no wiat, primary arch; so like x86, not to replace x86 as main arch
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<wolfy> oliv3r: it's at the same level with x86/x86_64
<oliv3r> yeah
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<t3st3r> I can remember RedHat's Ulrich Drepper called once ARM some cellphone crap and claimed glibc not supports this. Would be interesting to see if he can repeat these words :)
<wolfy> glibc!=uclibc or whatever is used
<wolfy> not to mention that ARM evolved a lot in the last 2 years
<t3st3r> does Fedora uses something different from glibc on ARM now?
<wolfy> no, it's glibc
<t3st3r> ...that's what makes overall sequence of events rather ironic :)
<wolfy> things change in time. a wise man once said "640 KB should be enough for everyone" :)
<JohnDoe_71Rus> yep
<wolfy> for 1.5 yrs I used my tplink 1043wd with its original firmware. for a week already I use ddwrt because I started to use torrents and the original sucks at that
<wolfy> my needs changes.. the OS too :)
<wolfy> s/changes/changed/
<oliv3r> openwrt > DDWrt
<jinzo> hm is cubie or someone from HK/china still around here? or do I need to check in cubie specific irc chanels to get ahold of cubie?
<wolfy> jinzo: #cubieboard
<jinzo> thanks
<oliv3r> jinzo: what's your question :)
<n01> gzamboni: it definitely requires code cleaning :)
<oliv3r> gzamboni: looks like its slowly coming
<n01> where did he get the docs?
<jinzo> oliv3r, it's not actually related to cubieboard/sunxi
<oliv3r> jinzo: well tom cubie isn't with cubietech anymore, but he still hangs ot around here
<oliv3r> benn is from cubietech and hangs out around here too sometimes
<jinzo> I'm looking for a specific service inside of HK/China and my friend currently in china has some problems and I'm trying to assist/help him
<gzamboni> interesting, with all the registers : https://github.com/ryangithub/sunxi-can-driver/blob/master/sunxi_can.h , nice
<jinzo> *my friend is currently
<gzamboni> n01 no idea where he did get them
<jinzo> oh? Interesting. I'm completely out of sync with the sunxi community :/
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<oliv3r> well hipboi/lkcl/Benn is who you need :)
<jinzo> oh, I don't think lkcl will be willing to help after our last discussion, but then again I'll see who first pops up here
<jinzo> thanks for the info.
<oliv3r> jinzo: have faith :)
<jinzo> :)
<jinzo> regarding that can driver, looks good - all the allwinner chips have CAN?
<oliv3r> A13 might not, A10s maybe, A10 and A20 yes
<t3st3r> wolfy> I always use openwrt on my routers. Damn flexible and featured thing. And unlike factory firmwares it's more or less trustworthy.
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<oliv3r> t3st3r: same; I buy whatever openwrt runs on great; then the moment after buying it, i'll flash openwrt
<oliv3r> i don't trust vendor firmware by definition :)
<t3st3r> factory firmwares are known to be either bugged to the hell in terms of security or just backdoored
* n01 did firmware for routers for 1.5y
<wolfy> t3st3r: i know the drill. I bought my router specifically because ddwrt ( and incidentally openwrt) worked on it. But it happened that until last week the original firmware was mostly satisfactory
<oliv3r> wolfy: but was it secure :)
<wolfy> given that I give no shit on who's looking at my http requests and that the important communication is done via openvpn ( with the tunnel endpoint on the workstation not on the router, on purpose) ...
<t3st3r> IIRC openwrt people are also messing a bit with %SUBJ% CPUs recently :)
<t3st3r> wolfy> it's not like I want to have thing which lives it's own life in my house, acting on someone's else behalf. And especially when it's router which passes my traffic.
<t3st3r> and supposed to keep LAN more or less safe.
<t3st3r> it takes hostile internet on self and supposed to create relatively safe area inside.
<wolfy> t3st3r: I do network security for a living for many years, you are not more paranoid than I am. It's just that there are things I care about and things I do not.
<t3st3r> and it's not like if I'm in mood to see what someone can do to my networked printer, etc. I know its possible to update its firmware as "print job".
<wolfy> the only unencrypted traffic from home is http to porn sites and irc :)
<t3st3r> and unfortunately printer firmware is proprietary and I have no reasons to believe vendor did a good job on security...
<wolfy> and if they like jazz and want to spy on the youtube channels I watch on my TV they are welcome.
<wolfy> t3st3r: they did not. printer firmware is among the worst in terms of security
<t3st3r> smart TVs can also "behave" and usually it's about stealing as much data as possible, etc.
<t3st3r> I remember recently LG has been caught on spyware in their TVs. Not just they track what you watch but also they send all filenames from usb flash drive to "real owner" aka LG
<t3st3r> so I'm in mood to have more or less trusty firewall on the way which can both check what's going up and only pass traffic I know I need.
<wolfy> t3st3r: excellent casll
<wolfy> *call
<wolfy> it's funny when you have IP cameras in use and they phone home...
<wolfy> for a certain value of "funny" that is
<t3st3r> [16:16:35] <wolfy> it's funny when you have IP cameras in use and they phone home... <- fortunately I don't. But seen a bunch of these available via simply googling their pages. Some humans can't even imagine their life is a reality show already :)
<wolfy> JohnDoe_71Rus: or that.
<JohnDoe_71Rus> surveillance of the user
<t3st3r> so overall I've got rather clear idea what I can expect from factory firmwares: neat collection of trojans, backdoors and just stupid security bugs.
<wolfy> one of the reasons I use axis cameras and not cheaper ones is that the level of trust is a tiny bit higher. But I still keep them in a separate VLAN with no internet access
<JohnDoe_71Rus> or black tape
<t3st3r> still there're enough of nuts with poorly confugured axis. Some people are more dumb than their camera...
<oliv3r> wolfy: openipcam.com/org
<oliv3r> wolfy: custom firmware :)
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<wolfy> ha. I did not know about these. thanks
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<arete74_> cd ..
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<oliv3r> no such file or directory
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<oliv3r> really, shoot puneet B
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<Turl> oliv3r: we got a can driver now :o
<oliv3r> Turl: a concept; yeah :)
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<oliv3r> Turl: did you try wens's patch?
<wens> Turl: do you have a tree I can pull from? I want to add support for output clocks on A20
<wens> Turl: they're just factor clocks with different offsets/widths
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<Turl> oliv3r: not yet, I can't find the usb to weird connector thing my USB card reader needs
<Turl> and I'm lazy to boot my laptop just so I can ssh and dd the uboot :p
<mripard> hi
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<Turl> I'm learning iptables now, I have a test in a couple of hours
<mripard> is there a doc somewhere on the format of script.bin?
<Turl> hey mripard
<Turl> mripard: binary format? or the text rep?
<mripard> the binary one
<mripard> I started working on sunxi-babelfish
<Turl> mripard: hmm I don't think so, but mnemoc rewrote all that code, so it should be legible
<mripard> aka fex-to-dt translator
<Turl> :)
<mripard> yes, I've been reading the fexc source code so far
<mripard> but I wanted to know if there was something more "formal"
<Turl> wens: sunxi-clk on my bitbucket shouldn't be too out of date; I believe you've been using it already?
<Turl> mnemoc: ^ is there? wiki? :)
<Turl> wens: I need to rework the patches a bit as I got some comments from mripard and mturquette
<Turl> I'll probably do it tonight, and push a fresh branch together with the patches
<mripard> Turl: obviously, my comment also applies to 9/11 and 10/11 :)
<mripard> (and to some extent to 3/11)
<n01> mripard: can I expect a review for RTC?
<mripard> n01: didn't I review it already?
<n01> nop
<mripard> erf
<mripard> I was sure I did Q(
<mripard> * :(
<n01> :)
<Turl> mripard: yeah, and to all pre-existing clocks too, I'll do another change to clean the remains shortly before the cycle closes
<mripard> n01: sorry
<oliv3r> wens: building your patches for cb2 now
<n01> mripard: no prob
<mripard> Turl: for the pre-existing clocks, it might be trickier
<mripard> Turl: because we have clocks that have the same address
<oliv3r> Turl: use your cb1 or olimex, boot from nand, put in sd card :)
<mripard> so you'll end up with duplicate nodes
<Turl> mripard: ah, it needs to be unique? :(
<oliv3r> Turl: forget about iptables; it'll be depreciated soon; nftables you need!
<Turl> dtc didn't complain this morning when I did a quick test
<mripard> Turl: the name@address ?
<mripard> yes
<Turl> oliv3r: yeah but that'll get me a nonpassing grade :)
<mripard> well, it doesn't *need* to be unique
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<Turl> oliv3r: besides there's backwards compat
<mripard> but you'll end up overwriting the previous node :)
<oliv3r> Turl: they teach you iptables at school?
<Turl> mripard: I'l pay attention then
<Turl> oliv3r: they teach me firewalling, we use iptables syntax for practice
<Turl> instead of writing boring tables :)
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<oliv3r> Turl: I thought you where working on a MSc compsci degree, firewalling I did do i think for my BSc though
<Turl> oliv3r: indeed
<Turl> oliv3r: but it's not called MSc/BSc in here
<oliv3r> Turl: isn't master/batchelors the international naming?
<Turl> oliv3r: they're the USA one I think
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<oliv3r> we transistioned from Ing and Ir to MSc/BSc because that's the international naming in use now
<oliv3r> it is all over europe now
<oliv3r> and Master of Arts, but that's hippie stuff :p
<Turl> oliv3r: :p
<Turl> oliv3r: we have Licenciaturas here
<oliv3r> i mean, there's even information technology on MA level; but it makes me wanna cry
<oliv3r> 'Master in any country of Europe'
<oliv3r> badly written yank article!
<oliv3r> M.Sc. is the abbreviation of Master of Science
<oliv3r> even in europe its not just 'Master', it's Master of arts or Master of Science
<oliv3r> anyway, M.Sc is the European + american naming then :)
<oliv3r> anyhow, ti's the same, i"m a little supprised that you get 'firewalling' as a class, that sounds more like a B.Sc level
<atsampson> you do occasionally encounter other variations; I have an MEng, and the department I work in does an MProf
<Turl> oliv3r: it's not a class, it's just a topic
<oliv3r> ohh, ok
<oliv3r> good :p
<Turl> oliv3r: the class is named Communications, covers from some really basic physics on data transmission to tcp, udp, ip4/6, routing, wifi, etc
<oliv3r> atsampson: you still have an issue open on github (u-boot i think) is that closeable?
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<oliv3r> wens: u-boot's dhcp does a bootp broadcast, i think our $work dhcp server doesn't respond to that
<oliv3r> any other way to test mii functionality on a20
<oliv3r> erm cb2
<Turl> oliv3r: use tftp
<oliv3r> oh i can install a tftp server now
<oliv3r> good idea
<oliv3r> but even so, i'll isntall dhcp server and restrict it only to listen to my mac
<oliv3r> cna't go polluting our network here :p
<Turl> oliv3r: tftp is easier :p
<oliv3r> but tftp won't offer IP addresses
<Turl> so? you don't need that :p
<oliv3r> so i still have to get a dhcp server to do that :p
<Turl> nah
<oliv3r> if i want to properly test it i do
<Turl> you can set them with setenv
<Turl> and then just pull from your tftp server
<oliv3r> what if wens patch works but doesn't do dhcp properly!
<Turl> it's unlikely :p
<Turl> I never do dhcp in fact, dunno if it works :P
<oliv3r> there ya go
<wens> oliv3r: set ip in u-boot?
<wens> Turl: I've been using hans' tree
<Turl> wens: same deal then, hans picks them from mine afaik
<oliv3r> i'll go out of my way and test dhcp
<oliv3r> lazy bastards
<wens> Turl: ok. i only looked around github
<wens> the LOSC setting on my CT looks right (selected external 32k OSC, not default)
<wens> but i can't find the driver/code that set it
<wolfy> can anyone with a cubietruck+linux+X pastebin the output of xrandr -q, please ? TIA.
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<Turl> wens: uboot
<wens> maybe i missed it
<Turl> if it's not on uboot it may just be the register default
<wens> according to the manual, it's not
<wens> anyway the setting is good. just wondering where it came from
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<atsampson> oliv3r: I can't see anything on u-boot -- I have a pull request open on android_device_allwinner_common which still needs pulling?
<oliv3r> let me find the link
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<atsampson> #42 was the only pull request I had on u-boot-sunxi, but hno merged that and closed it
<mnemoc> Turl: can't read the backlog, can you tell me in short what you wanted me to read?
<Turl> mnemoc: mripard wanted to know if there was any formal script.bin format docs
<Turl> mnemoc: it might be good to wiki it :)
<mnemoc> see the plat/script.h file in 3.4
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<mripard> mnemoc: thanks
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<atsampson> oliv3r: that still needs pulling as far as I can see
<oliv3r> atsampson: ok then i'll recheck it and will do so
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<oliv3r> ok i can't get dhcp to do anything
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<y0g1> hello
<y0g1> oliv3r:
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<Vanfanel> Hi guys
<Vanfanel> Just built latest git version for my A20 based cubie2
<Vanfanel> but eth0 doesn't appear
<Vanfanel> any ideas? It HAS to be a known issue, I'm using the default A20 config...
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<Vanfanel> Do you guys know where / how do I get headers for latest sunxi-kernel?
<WarheadsSE> on what distro, or from scratch
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<buZz> hahaha
<buZz> someone is developing a 'board' for cubieboard
<buZz> 'with 2x wifi and 2x ethernet and 4x usb ports!!@!'
<buZz> all connected through one usb port
<Vanfanel> WarheadsSE: Debian, but it's sorted out now.
<buZz> and he is not convinced it will be slow
<buZz> :D
<WarheadsSE> buZz: yup
<buZz> its hilarious
<WarheadsSE> imagine how much it will suck to have all that attached to a single host 480Mbps link
<buZz> yeah, sunxi 480mbit == real 200mbit
<buZz> sorta
<WarheadsSE> Yeah
<WarheadsSE> I'm aware
<buZz> i asked him why 2x wifi, and he didnt even have a good reason for it
<buZz> but dont worry
<WarheadsSE> hahaah
<buZz> he is now making 3d models to make a good video for the kickstarter
<buZz> this will be great fun :D
<WarheadsSE> which will gain worthless notariety
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<plaes> sounds almost like raspberry :P
* plaes hides...
<oliv3r> buZz: that's called a 'usb hub' :p
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<oliv3r> buZz: or a USB dock if you will :)
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<buZz> he is making it as a daughterboard
<buZz> or so i understand it
<buZz> i'll spam link here when it gets posted
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<oliv3r> why in the world would you want to do that is beyond me
<oliv3r> if you really want proper additional wifi; i'd add more via sdio like CT
<oliv3r> and extra ethernet you can do via SPI i guess
<oliv3r> though it'll be slow
<oliv3r> if he'd design something usefull; make a real A20 board; utilizing both the G and EMAC for dual ethernet; sdio for wifi
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<buZz> and slotted ram? :)
<oliv3r> i think we need someone to design that that has better skills then allwinner :p
<oliv3r> and if i recall; it wasn't possible
<oliv3r> but that's electronics mumbo jumbo i know nothing about
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<keebler> who manages elinux.org? ie: I was wanting to submit a hardware page for the Improv, similar to the UDOO and BeagleBone, but that section of the page is locked for editing.
<oliv3r> i guess someone wants to do a page like that already?
<WarheadsSE> i wouldn't compare it to the udoo
<WarheadsSE> that things a farking mess.
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<keebler> I wasn't comparing it to the UDOO, mearly stating I was wanting to submit a WIKI Page to eLinux.org to be included as an ARM Supported Device.
<keebler> oliv3r: Yes, Me, as I made the Improv. :P
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<oliv3r> i thought aaron had something to do with that :p
<keebler> Well, yes, lots actually.
<keebler> But I did the PCB Prototyping/Design and assembly.
<keebler> So, by
<keebler> "made", I meant literally. ;)
<oliv3r> well in that case :) anyway, I don't know who does the elinux site; we only do sunxi obviously
<keebler> Obviously. :) Of which I am also wanting to contribute to.
<oliv3r> and lkcl does rhombustech
<keebler> Aye.
<mturquette> does anybody know Dinh Nguyen's IRC handle?
<oliv3r> keebler: welcome! :D
<oliv3r> mturquette: not I sorry; from what ML is he?
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<mturquette> oliv3r: lakml
<mturquette> oh, i posted this in #linux-sunxi
<mturquette> lol, i meant to post my question in #armlinux
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<n01> oliv3r: for the earlyprintk console=ttyS0,115200 is not enough?
* n01 is lazy when tired
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<Dreadlish> yup
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<oliv3r> mturquette: cheater! ;)
<oliv3r> n01: erm, no you need a kernel enabled with that stuff too!
<oliv3r> n01: but yeah for u-boot; that's enough
<n01> I'm not _that_ noob ;)
<n01> anyway, something is wrong with my setup then
<oliv3r> n01: you also need devtmpfs to mount console
<oliv3r> what DO you get
<n01> yeah, I have also devtmpfs ... I get nothing more then "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel."
<oliv3r> might just crash then
<oliv3r> double check DEBUG_LL and uart config
<n01> it is stuck because of my driver (axp) but I need to see where :)
<oliv3r> and 115200,ttyS0? i always get those confused
<n01> uhm, I have ttyS0,115200
<n01> let's swap
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<oliv3r> should be ttyS0,115200 so that's not it either
<n01> yep, there is something else
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<libv> hrm, there is a root exploit which might work on the a23
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<oliv3r> i'm supprised they got the sdk so locked down
<oliv3r> and since we can't boot from SD yet, you can't side load it that way either
<libv> yeah, they seem capable of learning
<libv> but they should've instead learned that open == good
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> well once we have SD boot it won't be a huge thing
<oliv3r> as you can side load it easily
<libv> that means a u-boot and a kernel
<oliv3r> u-boot probably mostly; i'm expecting the kernelt o be quite similar
<libv> it still tries to boot off sd like it should
<libv> i used an older sunxi prepared sd card to try to get an install.zip on it, and upon full reboot it remained blackscreened, and i needed a minute to figure out what i had done :)
<oliv3r> those are the best kind of errors ;)
<libv> i cannot see anything on serial, even though the pads cannot be anything else
<libv> i think they also put a stop to that
<oliv3r> so no serial at all you think?
<oliv3r> well you can see what script.bin thinks serial should be
<libv> err?
<libv> oliv3r: how often do i need to remind you that i cannot even get to script.bin?
<oliv3r> i thought you said you pulled script.bin allready!
<libv> go through your logs
<libv> i pulled config.gz
<oliv3r> been a long day :(
<libv> as that is world readable
<oliv3r> ah crap
<oliv3r> what about ta full blown image from maybe the manufacturer?
<oliv3r> or an update 'iamge'
<oliv3r> that way, we can extract the script.bin from there at least
<libv> the sellers don't even know that this is an a23 soc in there
<libv> so forget about an update image
<libv> also, do you know of an update image for the Q88?
<libv> crap.
<libv> pics have dates on that.
<libv> i will have to redo them tomorrow.
<oliv3r> have you uploaded the ones you do have?
<libv> no, i was just about to look into uploading the pics when i noticed the date on them
<oliv3r> tons of alibaba links for q88 tablet
<oliv3r> 40 USD if you buy a lot of 10
<libv> yes, those are supposed to be A13, but they might be A23 already
<oliv3r> 'dual core 7" tablet'
<oliv3r> newegg even sells them for 45 USD
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<oliv3r> http://www.sz2k.com/ i think they madet he tablet
<libv> in a bit, i will be writing an email to the ml about the A23
<libv> i hope we get some reponse and some action on getting code for it
<libv> i am amazed that noone has handed us anything yet :(
<oliv3r> olimex isn't gonna make a board using it
<oliv3r> cubietech not either I belive
<oliv3r> i did poke tsvetsan to see if he can get the sdk
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<libv> oliv3r: do you know how to add new categories?
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<arokux2> hi guys, how are you doing? some ground breaking news?
<libv> arokux2: a23 just happened
<arokux2> I can show you what has caught my attention for last weeks, although it is off-topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onk4SDBh6IM
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