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<oliv3r> wow; in tsvetsan's job those are expensive! :(
<oliv3r> Turl: true true
<oliv3r> if the mele is fulltime on anyway
<oliv3r> i was just saying, if you wanted to doa remote powerstrip; that's the part :)
<Turl> stuff like zigbee would be way cooler for such a thing btw :p
<Turl> I don't have (and can't run) ethernet everywhere
<oliv3r> zigbee is propriatery though
<oliv3r> you need to pay $$$ to join
<Turl> wavez?
<oliv3r> i think the same
<Turl> what's the stuff called? :p
<oliv3r> there's dash7
<Turl> there's like 4 or 5
<oliv3r> and whatever contiki does that's good
<oliv3r> ipvlowpan or something
<Turl> zigbee is a alliance :p zwave is prop
<oliv3r> lol
<Turl> ble also
<Turl> probably too short a range tho
<oliv3r> they all want money to join
<oliv3r> dash7 can go a few km
<Turl> serial over bluetooth
<oliv3r> while using less power then all those
<Turl> there's cheap modules for that
<oliv3r> because 433 MHz is a nice long range band
<Turl> is that unlicensed?
<oliv3r> yeah there's tons of cheap 433 MHz modules; problem is, they are to basic for dash7
<Turl> I don't wanna operate illegal equipment :p
<oliv3r> yeah 433 is unlicensed world wide
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<Turl> 6LoWPAN heh
<oliv3r> the biggest problem with zigbee, zwave, iee 802.15.4 is; they all operate on the 2.4 Ghz
<Turl> ipv6 for IoT
<oliv3r> yeah 6lowpan is iee 802.15.4
<Turl> :)
<oliv3r> but the cool thing is; the latest versions of 802.15.4 also does 433 MHz
<oliv3r> and then 6lowPAN is very interesting
<oliv3r> but; hardly no hardware for it
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<Turl> it's a bit crowded there, but it's not like it's going to need a lot of airtime
<oliv3r> those really cheap 433 MHz radio's miss features to actually do it power efficiently
<oliv3r> it's very crowded and doesn't go well through walls etc
<oliv3r> 433 has enormous range
<oliv3r> and try doing 2.4 GHz off a coincell
<Turl> at least it's not 5GHz :)
<oliv3r> 433 MHz you can do about 2-3 years (not continiously obviously)
<Turl> doesn't BLE do that oliv3r ?
<oliv3r> Bluetooth Light?
<oliv3r> like 4.0
<Turl> Low Energy
<oliv3r> it could; i'm not sure
<oliv3r> i'm not sure if it's THAT power efficient
<oliv3r> bluetooth was still quite power hungry
<Turl> it's being used a lot for smart devices
<Turl> like watches and stuff
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> but taht's because it's 'hip'
<oliv3r> and, a lot of devices allready support it
<oliv3r> but it's still 2.4 Ghz
<oliv3r> i wonder how long battery lasts
<Turl> <15mA peak current, 0.01-0.5 the power consumption of normal bt
<Turl> according to wiki
<oliv3r> read that ti blogpost; it's quite old though
<oliv3r> it's a very good read
<oliv3r> i'm half way :p
<oliv3r> i think BLE should be conciderd for 'body worn sensors' etc
<oliv3r> whereas dash7 is for anythign with bigger range
<oliv3r> home automation probably doesn't fit well with BLE
<Turl> yeah
<Turl> it's actually being used that way (BLE)
<oliv3r> though they do claim 100m for BLE
<Turl> hadn't heard of dash7 until you mentioned it though
<oliv3r> it's only 3 or 4 years old
<oliv3r> there's af ully opensource stack; opentag
<oliv3r> currently it's used mostly by the department of defense int he USA, airports etc
<oliv3r> it IS being used commercially
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<libv> aha, seems like puneet sent the schematic of his humming bird board
<libv> ssvb: i could always go and disable overlays
<libv> ssvb: but i really like the way you sneak in the overlay, and it's really good for performance
<libv> aha, it's A20_PAD_STD
<libv> by allwinner
<libv> dated august 2013, while the a20_pad_std document we have is from april
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<hipboi> libv, we designed a board referred the A20_PAD_STD
<hipboi> but the board was not bringing up
<hipboi> after checking, we found there was error in the reference design
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<libv> hipboi: so the later revision fixes this?
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<Faisal> hi there
<Faisal> thank you all for your work
<Faisal> im wondering, is linux-sunxi affiliated with allwinner ?
<libv> Faisal: what do you mean with affiliated?
<libv> Faisal: and why do you ask?
<Faisal> libv: out of curiosity, just wondering if linux-sunxi is independant or if linux-sunxi releases software for allwinner officially (wondering if the linux-sunxi folks have access to all the hw documentation allowing to develop drivers)
<Faisal> libv: fyi http://linux-sunxi.org/sunxi:About contains no info
<hno> Faisal, linux-sunix.org is mostly unaffiliated with Allwinner.
<Faisal> hno: thx
<hno> occationally we get a code drop from some Allwinner customer.
<Faisal> hno: thats what i thought
<hno> and maybe a copy of a chip user guide.
<Faisal> awesome
<hno> with most interesting stuff missing.
<Faisal> thats great thx a lots
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<oliv3r> so; as i said yesterday; i lost my linux-mojo. i can't figure out how to boot an ubuntu-systemd based rootfs
<oliv3r> anybdoy can help me troubleshoot?
<oliv3r> i can make init=/bin/bash and then play around with things, executing /sbin/init complains about a missing upstart socket
<steev> oliv3r: try /sbin/init --debug?
<oliv3r> steev: a good point
<oliv3r> i surely hope i can start this ubuntu rootfs without an initramfs
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<oliv3r> i'll try --verbose; i don't think --debug is valid for upstart
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<steev> ah, maybe it's verbose
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<oliv3r> now to craft this somehow into my uEnv
<steev> should be able to handle it being a space
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<steev> alternatively, enclose the whole thing in single quotes
<oliv3r> yeah
<steev> blah='blah blah init=/sbin/init --verbose'
<oliv3r> oh
<oliv3r> the WHOLE thing
<oliv3r> ok
<Faisal> I need to run a command line everytime i reboot to get the bluetooth module up and running, the weird thing is that it doesnt work the first time i run it, but always works the second time : sudo /usr/bin/brcm_patchram_plus -d --patchram /lib/firmware/ap6210/bcm20710a1.hcd --enable_hci --bd_addr 11:22:33:44:55:66 --no2bytes --tosleep 1000 /dev/ttyS1
<Faisal> . any ideas ?
<steev> yes the WHOLE thing
<oliv3r> in this case, this would be hte 'extraargs'
<oliv3r> ah that seems to have done something
<oliv3r> lots of debug output
<oliv3r> there we go, something readbale
<oliv3r> low i can easily cgo voer that
<steev> i have no idea what you just said, but i think that's a good thing
<steev> oliv3r: assuming this is a fresh rootfs, did you extract it with --numeric-owner ?
<oliv3r> 1 hand was off :p
<oliv3r> steev: nope; i did a debbootstrap
<steev> debootstrap onto the system itself?
<steev> nice
<oliv3r> i split my sdd into 2; sda1 is fedora; sda2 was empty; i did a deboostrap from within fedora, with the output being sda2
<oliv3r> so i initially used hansg's 3.4 kernel, and want to use that same sd card(e.g. kernel, uboot only) to boot sda2
<steev> ah
<steev> i normally do em on the xu, but then i tar em up
<oliv3r> spawn a tty on uart0? msybe thats all i need?
<steev> getty -8 -n -l /bin/sh 115200 ttyS0 &
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<steev> and that's about the extent of my ubuntu debugging skills ;)
<oliv3r> hehe
<oliv3r> well i'll see what hansg did in his initttab
<oliv3r> and of course, fedora doesn't use inittab anymore
<oliv3r> though I would have expected that console= to cause a getty to spawn
<steev> mm, depends
<steev> i know for debian i have to add something, but that isn't upstart either so
<oliv3r> i never done anythign with serial getty's etc
<oliv3r> debian does systemd doesn't it
<steev> to like, links.conf or something, twas odd
<steev> no
<steev> not yet at least
<oliv3r> ubuntu doesn't have an inittab :)
<oliv3r> great
<oliv3r> i should have kept up better :)
<wens> ubuntu uses upstart
<oliv3r> i only ever hacked on inittab's etc in my old slackware days; not even sure what gentoo nowaday uses, but I expect inittab as always
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<oliv3r> i think i need to create a ttyS0.conf in /etc/init
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<libv> oliv3r: are you really having that much trouble setting up the alip rootfs?
<libv> oliv3r: i just untar it, point uboot at the device and am done
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<oliv3r> libv: really? it doesn't seem to spawn a serial getty
<oliv3r> or just doesn't do anythign
<libv> oliv3r: how long have you waited for that to happen?
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<oliv3r> 30 mins prob
<libv> hrm.
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<libv> md5sum your rootfs tarball first
<libv> and see whether it matches
<libv> oliv3r: which rootfs did you take? the url i gave you?
<oliv3r> yep
<oliv3r> it even prints root mounted, bla bal, so it 'works'
<libv> what did you put in /etc/network/interfaces ?
<libv> also, this is cubietruck and sun7i_defconfig ?
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> but i change a few things
<oliv3r> added sata, added gmac etc
<oliv3r> i don't think it did those by default
<libv> oh, defconfig
<libv> shouldn't change the booting much
<libv> have you poked this rootfs much so far?
<libv> oliv3r: have you in the mean time start afresh?
<oliv3r> not much; i'm tried to get it to show some debugging info
<libv> oliv3r: it really just shows up
<oliv3r> technically; yeah; i have sda2 and sda3, sda2 is alip, sda3 is deboostrap saucy
<libv> if you have broken networking, it will take 5 minutes to show up, but that's it
<oliv3r> both do exactly the same, nothing after the kernel boots and mounts /
<oliv3r> that's good to know!
<oliv3r> i'll fix networking too
<libv> oliv3r: take sata out of the equation
<oliv3r> but the rootfs IS on sata
<libv> oliv3r: try this off of an sd-card
<oliv3r> yeah that's my next step; make a plain sd card
<libv> it really just works for me
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<oliv3r> libv: i think i tried it a year ago; and it did for me
<oliv3r> networking configured, ttyS0 added; but nothing still
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<oliv3r> it hangs at 'handling mounting event'
<oliv3r> so maybe my fstab is bogus
<oliv3r> but why doesn't it print an error ...
<libv> oliv3r: it doesn't care, just sees root
<libv> you do not need to touch fstab
<oliv3r> yeah i'll blank it out
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<oliv3r> that brings me further
<hani> I finally had some success getting ov7670 camera to work with CSI1 on cubieboard
<oliv3r> i get a sunxi_gmac link is up now printed
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<oliv3r> libv: dhcp ran
<oliv3r> libv: it got an ip
<oliv3r> ssh obviously wont' be on by default will it
<libv> it's not installed
<oliv3r> no problem
<libv> amazingly.
<oliv3r> but why won't it spawn a serial ttyS0 baffels me
<libv> oliv3r: /etc/fstab is simply empty
<oliv3r> yeah i cleared mine out
<libv> oliv3r: and i never had to touch it before
<oliv3r> can't ping though
<oliv3r> do i get a console on the fb?
<hani> the current CSI driver is so ugly just wondering if anyone is working on it
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<oliv3r> hani: nope
<libv> oliv3r: yes, you should have a console on the fb if you have your script.bin set up correctly
<oliv3r> i do see the boot messages pop by
<oliv3r> well the basic ones, as console is redirected to ttyS0
<oliv3r> and i see the two tuxes
<oliv3r> so that all works; but no getty there
<steev> oliv3r: do you have console=tty0 as well?
<libv> i just did killall getty, and my bash on my serial console just stayed up
<oliv3r> steev: yep
<steev> oh i misread
<hani> oliv3r : thanx
<steev> you have /etc/init/ttyS0.conf with the settings?
<oliv3r> i did create that yeah
<oliv3r> it didn't exist by default
<oliv3r> but since libv didn't need it; it seems less relevant
<libv> it could be getting in the of whatever it is that does run
<oliv3r> no that's not the one is it
<oliv3r> i'm trying to redownload it
<oliv3r> that's the one :)
<libv> that's an image especially set up for a board
<oliv3r> i find the linaro links horribly confusing
<libv> yes, they are indeed
<oliv3r> mkfs.ext4 on my sd; then extract that tarbal -binary to it; right?
<libv> oliv3r: yup
<oliv3r> 3 partitions i have on this random sd card; uboot, swap, root
<libv> swap?
<oliv3r> ah hansg's rootfs
<oliv3r> i'll repartition
<libv> never mind
<oliv3r> uboot + rootfs
<libv> whatever is in your kernel command line
<oliv3r> ok then i'll leave the partitions as is
<oliv3r> and boot mmcblk03
<libv> oliv3r: ah.
<libv> oliv3r: 443 ttyS0 Ss 0:00 /bin/login -f
<libv> no getty at all apparently
<libv> yup
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<oliv3r> oh
<oliv3r> what file is in that
<libv> ?
<libv> ps ax
<oliv3r> well it should get spawned from somewhere?
<oliv3r> well maybe it is; but i won't ever know :p;
<libv> it just gets spawned.
<libv> did you alter your inittab?
<libv> beforehand?
<oliv3r> nope
<libv> ah, /etc/init/ttyS0.conf
<oliv3r> you have that?!
<oliv3r> i made that, but didn't have that
<oliv3r> how did you get that
<libv> no, i did not have it
<libv> and it _just_ _works_
<oliv3r> bah
<libv> so apparently, you need to do that for fedora and such, and if you do it under alip, you get stuffed.
<oliv3r> well making a new basic mmc
<oliv3r> which shouldn't work, in theory
<oliv3r> as it's all exactly the same
<libv> oliv3r: you still have the sata rootfs lying around, right?
<libv> oliv3r: try it with that file you created removed
<libv> oliv3r: there is this thing called: /etc/init/auto-serial-console.conf
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<libv> part of the linaro-overlay-minimal package
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<libv> oliv3r: please verify this, so that this can be added to the wiki
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<oliv3r> oh
<oliv3r> ok i'll look at the sata rootfs for those
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<gzamboni> hani, did you manage to make to make csi1 work on linux ?
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<gzamboni> hani, there are some code improvements in the CSI in the A23 sdk
<hani> yes I did
<libv> oliv3r: just remove the file you created
<libv> oliv3r: and try to fire it up
<hani> sorry I'm not familiar with A23
<oliv3r> shouldn't work though
<oliv3r> because i created the file becasuse it didn't work :)
<oliv3r> but i'll try
<libv> oliv3r: hrm.
<oliv3r> then again; i did always have the fstabn
<libv> right
<oliv3r> and i forgot seek and thus just wasted my partition table :p
<libv> :)
<gzamboni> hani, did you make code changes to make it work ?
<wens> oliv3r: :(
<hani> I used the following https://github.com/npeacock and applied the patches to 3.4
<oliv3r> removing fstab/ttyS0 no go
<hani> make sure you fex is correct you may need to tweak the CLK of your targeted camera to get a proper image
<libv> oliv3r: then start afresh
<libv> oliv3r: and don't do anything except moving everything from the debian directory one level up
<libv> err, binary
<oliv3r> well that's what I did to begin with :(
<libv> oliv3r: then sd-card with sun7i_defconfig
<oliv3r> libv: btw, auto_serial_start does launch a getty strangely enough
<oliv3r> yeah doing sdcard now
<oliv3r> just repartitioned it :p
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<oliv3r> i give up for today
<oliv3r> ** Unrecognized filesystem type **
<oliv3r> ext4ls mmc 0 lists files
<oliv3r> so how does it not recognize it; but yet lists it happily
<oliv3r> ext4load mmc 0 load; fine
<oliv3r> no problem
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<libv> hrm :(
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<oliv3r> i seem to not be even able to get u-boot working
<oliv3r> but if i type in the commands in, u-boot boots
<oliv3r> go figure
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<ssvb> sigh, being even slower than catalyst is quite an achievement - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU3NTI
<ssvb> the x86 guys developing 2d drivers are just spoiled by having insanely overpowered hardware (so that they can ship any junk driver and get away with that)
* ssvb had to live with catalyst for about a month when experimenting with Open CL programming, and catalyst really sucks for 2D
<mnemoc> ow
* mnemoc ordered an amd apu a4-5000 laptop some days ago :\
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<vrga> ATI sucks on linux? Since when was this news? mid 2005? :p
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<mnemoc> hope tells you "things will get better!"
<vrga> realism says "get nvidia, forget about it"
<vrga> :p
<vrga> (i know i know, shutting up)
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<mnemoc> :)
<vrga> in other news, waiting for my funtoo rootfs compile the basic stuff is really annoying.
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<ssvb> vrga: nvidia is not perfect either, they sucked at implementing server side gradients, don't know if it got fixed now
<vrga> on the other hand, performance might improve over the ubuntu core and its hilarity.
<vrga> downside is, updating is done strictly offline...
<ssvb> vrga: the linux distributions even patched the cairo library in order to disable the use of accelerated gradients because of the nvidia blob
<vrga> ssvb, what are those?
<ssvb> vrga: the things that are used, for example, in svg
<oliv3r> ssvb: with catalyst you talk about how shitty the closed blob driver is right?\
<vrga> ( i cant say much for ati other than hearsay, having not used it, but i've never had much if any problems with nvidia either on windozers or linux)
<oliv3r> so mnemoc no worries; you'll be using the oss driver mainliny anyway, and that's pretty descent
<mnemoc> oliv3r: :)
<mnemoc> oliv3r: I just hope at least my ssd arrives before fosdem :\
<mnemoc> running from a usb stick stinks
<ssvb> vrga: that's because the distributions and the applications take a "pragmatic" approach and avoid using any accelerated features that were ever bad on any hardware or driver version, leading us to the client side software rendering :)
<ssvb> oliv3r: I'm talking how the 2d acceleration is on the decline in general, and you are not expected to get decent performance in x11 nowadays
<ssvb> oliv3r: with all the blame being put on the "ancient 30 years old architecture which must die" instead of the actually shitty implementations of the drivers
<vrga> its kinda both.
<ssvb> how so?
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<vrga> X is a dinosaur which you can barely even use in the network mode with modern DE's.
<vrga> if you can even get it to work proper.
<ssvb> this is just bullshit
<vrga> what?
<vrga> why?
<vrga> VNC is not responsive enough for that anyhow.
<ssvb> VNC has nothing to do with X11 network transparency
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<vrga> no, but when you get it reccomended as an alternative you get annoyed.
<ssvb> let's say that there are proper applications, which work nicely with x11 network transparency
<ssvb> that's mostly the old GTK2 based stuff
<vrga> which are few and far between.
<ssvb> and there are 'modern' applications such as Qt based, which often resort to the client side rendering, mostly because of the glitches in the poor x11 drivers
<vrga> and there are no alternatives.
<vrga> (to X that is)
* vrga goes to check on the status of wayland
<ssvb> to give one more example, Chromium sucks with x11 network transparency, but Firefox works fine
<ssvb> there is still a choice
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<vrga> ofc.
<vrga> but there isnt really a choice in the backend tho.
<ssvb> xorg failed because they don't have any sort of drivers "certification" process to clearly label shitty drivers as such
<vrga> agreed.
<vrga> gotta love the load average right now. Load avg: 19.5, 16.2, 10.1
<libv> we can do it all on the gpu is a bullshit concept anyway.
<libv> but people like anholt never solve the real problems
<mnemoc> "can" is a very broad term...
<mnemoc> an fpga *can* decode video and do 3d calculations too...
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<mnemoc> after 4h my usb-stick-powered laptop is still "Setting up ..." after the initial apt-get upgrade :(
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<Turl> ouch mnemoc
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<ccaione> going to test regulator settings ... I hope I won't kill my cb :)
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<Turl> ccaione: you're writing the axp driver? cool :)
<ccaione> Turl: yeah, atm done with power button and regulators (not yet tested :)
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<ZetaNeta> hi
<ZetaNeta> I came because i didnt get a normal answer last time
<ZetaNeta> Any news about A80?
<ZetaNeta> Because i am really waiting for it
<mrnuke> ZetaNeta: has CES 2014 happened yet?
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<itdaniher> anyone gotten the video-out DACs working? interested in clocking out arbitrary analog waveforms off one of the 27MHz-381MHz PLL
<itdaniher> I don't know if it's feasible to pass that peripheral arbitrary memory addresses for analog values or not, but it would be kinda cool.
<itdaniher> (or if the only way to use it is via the video abstractions that handle side porch & back porch timings for component video)
<itdaniher> Just posted another few bitcent bounty on A20 documents. https://twitter.com/itdaniher/status/424632978073874432
<itdaniher> Paid out 0.04 bitcoin for BCM20710
<itdaniher> (thanks Turl!)
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<ZetaNeta> hi
<ZetaNeta> i hate my laptop overheating
<ZetaNeta> what answers to my question i missed?
<ZetaNeta> none i see
<Turl> fwiw, I didn't get any payment
<itdaniher> Turl: b3546f70de435161a76a09ccb25566050e2771f310f9518bd69f22bdf6b2b1e6
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<itdaniher> 0.04btc, 223 confirmations
<itdaniher> and definitely the address you @tweeted me
<Turl> that's not my wallet
<Turl> and I didn't tweet you anything
<Turl> I only have a twitter account I use for olimex quizzes
<Turl> someone scammed some bitcoins out of you :p
<Turl> anyway, nvm :)
<itdaniher> oh, but you did host the BCM BLE datasheet?
<itdaniher> assumed you == Daniel as link he shared was hosted by you
<itdaniher> mea culpa :P
<itdaniher> and thanks all the same for hosting the PDF - if you want a few btc, shoot me your wallet
<Turl> I think we have some of those other pdfs already
<itdaniher> ah, the manual's not linked from http://linux-sunxi.org/A20
<itdaniher> any _but_, that's great to know
<itdaniher> (thanks!)
<Turl> add a link then :) it's a wiki for a reason
<itdaniher> one step ahead of you
<Faisal> hi there, has someone here got any idea on how to get bluetooth up and running on the cubietruck/linux
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<martin__> Hi, is there anyone, who tried to make its own linux distro...following tutorial from http://linux-sunxi.org/Manual_build_howto stucks after starting a few subsystems. Another weird think, that linux print: Cannot find device "eth0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up eth0. While starting. Has anyone any advice ?
<mnemoc> o_O
<Turl> it's not much use other than the muxings (which we have in the user manual iirc)
<Turl> mnemoc: did your pendrive lappy finish booting? :)
<mnemoc> Turl: it might make more sense to move it to /A20 and rename it to be consistent
<Turl> mnemoc: I was considering that
<Turl> but didn't want to taint stuff (it has 'for xxx only' watermarks)
<mnemoc> Turl: yes. but the painful part is to install apps
<mnemoc> ok, fair enough
<Turl> mnemoc: no external usb disk?
<Turl> (like, spinning rust)
<mnemoc> only my raid1 device which would need to be repartitioned etc...
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<mnemoc> hope to receive either the e145 or the ssd soon...
<Turl> mnemoc: that's one tiny thinkpad
<mnemoc> same size as my current x120e
<Turl> anything <14 is tiny in my book, I think we have discussed this already :)
<mnemoc> <11 tiny, >=14 not a laptop
<mnemoc> i like 13.3" most, but couldn't find anything good in my budget there
<oliv3r> while i really don't wanna muck about with this right now
<oliv3r> what could cause u-boot to say 'partition not recognized' but ext4load mmc 0 works
<oliv3r> e.g. executing the sccript manually; no problem; doing it via boot.scr, it fails
<Turl> oliv3r: mmc not detected?
<mnemoc> tried to add some mmcinfo and ext4info (or however they are called) first?
<Turl> maybe mmc rescan or whatever
<mnemoc> odd details is that boot.scr has already been loaded...
<mnemoc> so the partition was read
<mnemoc> fsck? :p
<mnemoc> why the f* do they watermark such things as confidential???!
<itdaniher> because they have more to gain from marking them vs not marking them
<mnemoc> oliv3r: sure your boot.scr isn't forcing a fatload?
<mnemoc> itdaniher: such thing is of no use unless people buys their A20
<oliv3r> Turl: ext4load mmc 0 0x1 uImage works fine
<oliv3r> but the boot.scr, which has exactly that line in it
<oliv3r> fails
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<oliv3r> /dev/sdd1 2048 67583 32768 83 Linux
<Turl> oliv3r: don't you need sth like 0:1 to indicate first partition or sth?
<oliv3r> ext4load mmc 0 0x48000000 ${kernel}
<Turl> itdaniher: mirrored, thanks
<oliv3r> Turl: if so, howcome if I manually do it, it works?
<oliv3r> copy/pasting that exact line
<oliv3r> ** Unrecognized filesystem type **
<oliv3r> i get that 3 times
<oliv3r> i don't understand
<Turl> oliv3r: sure they come from that line?
<bfree_> probably from when it is loading the boot.scr and is trying fat also. "env print" is your friend (and you can run the parts up to where boot.scr is loaded then do it again)
<Turl> that ^ :)
<bfree_> by "do it again" I mean "env print" again
<bfree_> (and you probably also get them from attempts to load uEnv.txt)
<mnemoc> the default u-boot env DOES try to vfat before ext4, /boot vs /boot-less
<mnemoc> and*
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<oliv3r> boot_mmc=fatload mmc 0 0x43000000 script.bin && fatload mmc 0 0x48000000 ${kernel} && watchdog 0 && bootm 0x48000000
<oliv3r> so it looks like its ignoring my boot.scr and uEnv
<oliv3r> could it be, that ... the old partition started at sector 63 and the new one starts at 2048
<oliv3r> that u-boot ignores the partition table somehow and loads the partition at 63
<oliv3r> that would suck big time
<oliv3r> does look that way
<oliv3r> it was that way
<oliv3r> it ignored the partition table, found a partition @sector 63, and used that to load boot.scr
<oliv3r> libv: linaro now starts normally :)
<oliv3r> actually
<oliv3r> it started sda1; crap
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<markvdb> does anyone know of relatively open a31 boards?
<oliv3r> markvdb: non-existant
<markvdb> I don't need any graphical interface, but I do need all cpu power I can get...
<markvdb> oliv3r: is it you who is coming to speak at FOSDEM ?
<oliv3r> radxa rock
<oliv3r> markvdb: :)
<mnemoc> yes, but the variant with a4-5000 and 12GB of RAM
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<Turl> I think the only "board" as in dev board is the A31 colombus thing
<oliv3r> did you click the link? :(
<oliv3r> mnemoc: that IS the A4-5000!
<oliv3r> maybe the link is crap :)
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: the link shows both variants
<oliv3r> mnemoc: anyway, you have a harddisk less laptop now?
<oliv3r> mnemoc: ah, crap link!
<oliv3r> i'm customizing the a4-5000 one
<oliv3r> but i can't remoev the OS :p
<oliv3r> so you removed the harddisk?
<oliv3r> or got one with
<oliv3r> without*
<mnemoc> oliv3r: yes, an x120e booting from a cheap usb stick
<mnemoc> oliv3r: had to buy win8 too.... not even the local lenovo distributors can get "freedos"-based variants of it :\
<Turl> mnemoc: how did oyu get 12G?
<Turl> you*
<markvdb> is there anything with more than 2 Gb of ram?
<Turl> I only see 4/6/8 options
<mnemoc> Turl: 4GB built-in + 2x4GB is sodimm
<Turl> mnemoc: built-in ram? o.O
<mnemoc> the AMD APUs are like arm boards... with a SoC and soldered ram
<Turl> mnemoc: I really doubt they have soldered ram
<oliv3r> wait, you haven't receivedt he r145 yet?
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: anyway, make sure you decline win8 and ask for your money back
<oliv3r> ahh, the x120e is your OLD laptop
<mnemoc> i have no idea how to do the refunding procedure....
<mnemoc> right, still using the old laptop. new laptop (with hdd), new ssd (intel 530 this time), and fast usb stick are ordered, but not shipped yet
<oliv3r> ouch
<Turl> oliv3r: ^
<oliv3r> awesome
<oliv3r> how did this ever get merged?
<oliv3r> i used this crap as example; and while i thought things where off; it got merged; so should have been right
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: how did you configure 12gb, i can't get it above 8
<Turl> mnemoc: he says he got 8G there and the apu has some magical 4G builtin
<Turl> err oliv3r ^
<Turl> but I think it's bs and he actually bought a 8G laptop :p
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<mnemoc> 8GB laptop would be nice too, the doubt of what I have today
<martin__> Trying to debug, why system is not booting - Cubieboard2. Last what I see on serial console: [....] Starting system message bus: dbus. ok. What should be run after DBUS ? Should user login ?
<mnemoc> can't find the post where i read it comes with 4GB "built-in"
<mnemoc> s/doubt/double/
<Turl> martin__: sounds like it's booting ok
<Turl> martin__: but you don't get a login tty?
<Turl> martin__: are you passing console=ttyS0,115200 on kernel cmdline?
<martin__> Turl: yes, didnt get it
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<markvdb> is there any sunxi or similar board with more than 2Gb ram that will easily run Debian?
<Turl> cubietruck has 2GB iirc
<markvdb> (and preferably powerful cpu)
<Turl> I don't think there's anything with >2GB
<markvdb> Turl: yeah
<markvdb> I want to do limited image postprocessing for the diybookscanner.org project on an arm board
<martin__> Turl: that should be in u-boot ?
<Turl> martin__: yeah
<mnemoc> i think only marvell supports >2GB currently
<Turl> markvdb: do you need that much ram to scan images?
<markvdb> not for the scanning, but for postprocessing (autocrop, ...)
<markvdb> tesseract ocr
<markvdb> image compression
<markvdb> I'm trying to find a good tradeoff between performance and cost
<markvdb> if postprocessing on the board is too expensive in terms of performance, then it will be limited to just triggering
<markvdb> and I imagine an olinuxino A10 LIME would be a good choice
<mnemoc> the lime has 512MB
<markvdb> yup
<markvdb> that's plenty for just triggering and a web interface
<markvdb> but when it comes to more cpu and mem intensive tasks...
<markvdb> Turl: then one would probably want a cubietruck at least, or maybe
<oliv3r> how in the world is this possible
<Turl> markvdb: well, you could make a vm on your pc with 2GB and see how all those ocr things interact memory wise
<markvdb> a radxa rock or odroid-xu I guess
<markvdb> Turl: that's a nice suggestion indeed
<oliv3r> i boot my kernel from mmc, boot sda1, no problem, i can mount mmcblk0p2 no problem. i tell it that the root is ON mmcblk0p2; VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
<oliv3r> I really should just give up
<mnemoc> mmcinfo ?
<mnemoc> or it's the kernel whining?
<mnemoc> rootwait ?
<Turl> oliv3r: 6 is enixio (no such device)
<Turl> try rootwait as mnemoc suggests
<oliv3r> mmc being really slow? fair nuff; defualt is with rootwait
<Turl> yeah it is
<Turl> many people have issues if not rootwait'ing
<mnemoc> sometimes initialization can be "late" just a couple of miliseconds and it's enough to make root mounting fail
<mnemoc> so just rootwait
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<oliv3r> rootwaiting
<markvdb> hm, I guess if I can live with something headless, the Mele M9 might be a good choice?
<oliv3r> well i removed rootwait because i wanted to see why things where failing
<markvdb> quad a7?
<martin__> Turl: I don't know, why this happen. I make boot.cmd on first partition, then transfer it into boot.scr. In boot.cmd there ttyS0 is defined, but in uboot I can see only
<oliv3r> markvdb: you won't get much sympathy for using a31 here, powervr makes most people here puke :p
<oliv3r> markvdb: you'll end up with a device mostly relying on AW for kernel updates and support
<oliv3r> atleast for now
<markvdb> I see, thought there was a lot of progress reverse engineering their gpu
<Turl> mali? yeah
<Turl> but not powervr afaik
<markvdb> I know about Mali
<markvdb> Luc V told me personally :-)
<Turl> he's in here, libv :)
<oliv3r> libv: finally, finally i remade from scratch; but no tty
<oliv3r> last thing init gave me was upstart-socket-bridge
<oliv3r> Turl: http://paste.debian.net/77119/ why am I not getting a login :( this is the alip rootfs; it should 'just work'
<oliv3r> i did init --verbose :p
<oliv3r> since when has it become so hard to boot linux? for years and years; booting was as simple as having a proper /sbin/init
<oliv3r> with this systemd and upstart crap .. really ... it's horrible
<Turl> oliv3r: can you type stuff?
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<Turl> or did it hang?
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<oliv3r> i can type stuff; it only echo's it
<Turl> oliv3r: no inittab I suppose? :p
<Turl> oliv3r: can you hook hdmi or something and see if you get a tty there?
<oliv3r> Turl: ubuntu doesn't use inittab
<oliv3r> it uses upstart!
<oliv3r> and upstart should always start a serial console
<oliv3r> libv assured me 'it just works'
<oliv3r> did print <3>ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4050200 action 0xe frozen
<oliv3r> now
<oliv3r> so it's not 'dead'
<Turl> the one time I used alip it just worked (tm)
<Turl> maybe something foobared on your /dev/ ?
<oliv3r> this is the 3rd roofs that's not working though
<oliv3r> ok some history
<oliv3r> i have a 3 partition ssd
<oliv3r> hansg's fedora on sda1
<oliv3r> that works!
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<oliv3r> sda2 is alip; sda3 is a deboostrap ubuntu saucy
<oliv3r> sda2 and sda3 I haven't managed to get working yet
<ssvb> oliv3r: why do you even care about systemd and upstart?
<ZetaNeta> aw crap....
<ZetaNeta> I thought i bought a MK802....
<oliv3r> so libv suggested, just start from scratch; whitch i did, on an sd; 2 partitions, alip but .. well you saw the result
<oliv3r> ssvb: i hate both! but that's what the roofs's come with :)
<ZetaNeta> Now i realize i bought something amlogic aml8726-m based
<Turl> oliv3r: how old an alip are you using?
<Turl> I think I used linaro-raring-alip-20130826-474.tar.gz that worked
<oliv3r> 'the one lib is using ' :p
<oliv3r> that's the one
<oliv3r> raring
<oliv3r> exactly that oen
<oliv3r> do we have to enable anything in the kernel to make this work?
<Turl> oliv3r: I used the nightly kernel :p
<Turl> didn't even bother building
<Turl> mnemoc++
<oliv3r> Turl: i'm using stage/sunxi-3.4
<Turl> yeah it should be ok
<oliv3r> well i'm too stupid to figure out why it's not booting
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<Turl> oliv3r: probably some upstart fail
<Turl> oliv3r: have you tried the wiki thing I linked?
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<oliv3r> Turl: yeah, earlier this aftertoon, i created a ttyS0
<oliv3r> but libv assured me, it should spawn the getty by default anyway
<oliv3r> due to /etc/init/auto_serial_start.conf
<Turl> oliv3r: make sure getty is installed and executable
<Turl> (or whatever binary it uses to run the tty)
<oliv3r> but if the same tar.gz works both for you and libv
<oliv3r> i can't imagine that there's a bug in it that doesn't owrk for me
<Turl> maybe some issue untarring
<oliv3r> 3 times?
<oliv3r> AND installing via debootstrap?
<oliv3r> unlikly
<Turl> did you do it as root?
<oliv3r> yep
<Turl> debootstrap debiannot working either?
<Turl> :\
<Turl> you can check inittab there :)
<oliv3r> well the onyl common thing is
<oliv3r> that it's all ubuntu
<oliv3r> so all upstart
<oliv3r> all without inittab
<oliv3r> fedora works fine
<Turl> ah, you debootstrapped ubuntu
<Turl> any special reason why you want linaro btw?
<oliv3r> well i want to demo libv's 3d stuff; so we decided it was wise to use the same what he's working on; easy with installing his .deb's etc
<oliv3r> so i was, sure, no problem
<oliv3r> so from within fedora, i installed deboostrap; and bootstrapped sda3
<oliv3r> but i couldn't get that to boot
<oliv3r> upstart being anal
<oliv3r> i guess anyway
<Turl> oliv3r: what about tty0?
<Turl> ie video?
<oliv3r> ?
<Turl> maybe you get a tty on a monitor
<Turl> and can debug from there
<oliv3r> so libv suggested to use that raring image from linaro; and here we are
<oliv3r> i'll try that
<oliv3r> just change S0 to 0
<oliv3r> the framebuffer should be running, i usualyl get the whole kernel booting + 2 tuxes
<Turl> yeah console=tty0
<Turl> I think you already have it on your cmdline :)
<oliv3r> one more thing to try
<oliv3r> remove init=/sbin/init --verbose
<oliv3r> that was left from my earlier trials
<oliv3r> init: ureadahead main process (60) terminated with status 5
<oliv3r> now it just hangs
<oliv3r> great
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<oliv3r> ok got more now
<oliv3r> 'the disk drive for / is not ready yet or not presetnt. keys: Continue to wait, or Press S to skip mounting or m for manual recovery
<oliv3r> if i press m; i get the rootfs mounted from mmcblk0p2 to /
<oliv3r> everything looks fine
<oliv3r> if i press 's' to skip mounting; it continues just fine and log in normally!
<oliv3r> yay success
<oliv3r> sort of
<oliv3r> ah root is still ro
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<oliv3r> maybe add /dev/mmcblk0p2 to fstab ...?
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<martin__> Turi: Finally I made it. You were right...console wasn't set properly, but not only in u-boot, but also in inittab.
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<oliv3r> heh; atleast my fedora image works perfectly fine still :)
<doneill> finished repairing an a13 tablet, cleaning up, putting tools away 'blorp' blob of solder drips on the pcb. ... yay.
<oliv3r> happend to me too
<oliv3r> board hasn't worked since
<doneill> yeah i'm not even going to try, took two resistors with it
<oliv3r> oh i managed to repair it
<doneill> i have some resistors, i could solder them on
<oliv3r> but didn't work
<oliv3r> i think it took some other caps
<oliv3r> but i have noc lue where they went :)
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<doneill> yeah these tiny capacitors... i'm not steady handed enough for them, but i could probably manage some ceramic ones
<oliv3r> yeah i my hands aren't steady enough either
<oliv3r> then the compnents never stick in the right way
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<Turl> oliv3r: I tried to solder a 3.5mm jack the other day and could hardly manage to do so
<oliv3r> :p
<oliv3r> practise makes perforect
<Turl> s/perfect/me angry/ :)
<Turl> I soldered one side, then went to solder the other and the first one unsoldered. So much win :)
* mnemoc hates the soldering iron
<mnemoc> uhm... might be the other way around
<Wizzup> Get a better one? :)
<oliv3r> oh i did burn myself quite badly today
<Turl> once I got it more or less working I covered it with hot glue and tape :p
<Turl> no way it's gonna unsolder now
<mnemoc> <3 hot glue <3
<oliv3r> tomorrow i'll try #ubuntu-arm
<oliv3r> see what they say
<oliv3r> my fedora image still runs awesomely;c edarX etc all perfect
<oliv3r> but this ubuntu/upstart bullsiht; i can't even manage to boot
<oliv3r> maybe i'll put debian on sda2
<oliv3r> see if that works 'normally'
<doneill> systemd baby
<oliv3r> also, shit
<oliv3r> i miss the days where things where easy
<oliv3r> like sysv or openrc
<mnemoc> at least ubuntu still supports /etc/rc.local :p
<Turl> oliv3r: debian has sysv :p
<doneill> if you do put debian on, oliv3r, try out my battery applet and tell me if it works? :)
<oliv3r> yeah but debian is going systemd or upstart; but leaning towards systemd atm
<Turl> oliv3r: you can try arch too, and blame WarheadsSE when stuff breaks :D
<Seppoz> it shouldnt matter much
<doneill> sid is all systemd by default at least
<Seppoz> all of them should work fine
<Seppoz> atleast without display stuff
<oliv3r> Seppoz: well i've spend 2 half days on it
<oliv3r> and i can't make it work
<Seppoz> why?
<oliv3r> if i knew ...
<Seppoz> only ubunto or also gnome?
<Seppoz> *ubuntu
<oliv3r> all console for now
<oliv3r> ok i'll do a quick rundown again :)
<oliv3r> i have sunxi/stage-3.4
<doneill> http://akielectronics.com/wiki/Software/Akicontrol <- works on a10 for h6, not sure about tablets or other SoCs
<oliv3r> i have sdd; with sda1 = fedora; sda2 = alip; sda3 = debootsrapped ubuntu saucy
<Seppoz> you should even be able to debootstrap it arnt you?
<doneill> actually it's single-cpu only so it won't work with the a20+s
<Seppoz> oliv3r where are you stuck on it?
<oliv3r> fedora runs great; alip i can boot, and if i put the console to the tty0 i get an error about the roofs being 'broken'; i can either wait, s to continue or m to 'fix' things; if i do s, i get a ro / and it 'works'. but ro. if I put the console on ttyS0 i don't get that and it just hangs
<oliv3r> ubuntu gives the same, but with 'skip' it sort of half crashes, about /tmp not being available
<oliv3r> it LOOKS like it doesn't like the empty fstab
<oliv3r> but libv says his identical alip tar ball 'just works'
<oliv3r> maybe the kernel doesn't like the ext4 somehow? incompatible ext4's? fsck doesn't notice anything strange
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<Seppoz> hmm