<Turl>
itdaniher: we got the SDKs, but there's not many people interested in A31 here due to the GPU
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<brain_>
great, now nand-part does not function! one issue after another
<brain_>
I have no /dev/nand..... only nanda - nandj
<Turl>
brain_: must be a really ancient kernel
<Turl>
(or stock allwinner)
<brain_>
its 3.0.36...i cant get 3.4 to bootup. the newest sources i have that i can boot are 3.0.76
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<Turl>
brain_: 3.0.x from allwinner or linux-sunxi?
<Turl>
brain_: if it is from AW, you won't have /dev/nand. It's our addition
<brain_>
i dont remember were i got them, had the touchscreen drama so long i forgot. but i notice that there is a modules folder with libnand...on my 3.0.57 sources the modules folder does not have this..ill try that kernel now.
<brain_>
57 is from linux-sunxi
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<brain_>
my nand is not repartitioned..no turning back now! had to rebuild my drivers for the 3.0.57 kernel but at least it fixed the nand issue i was having. maybe this is why i couldnt boot properly?
<brain_>
now*
<brain_>
i am just wondering if i screwed up somewere will my oem livesuit image repartition things?
<brain_>
i did make backups as stated on the wiki just in case tho
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<Turl>
brain_: livesuit has an option that formats the full nand if you screw things badly
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<libv>
hramrach: i think this page, and the u-boot and script.bin should perhaps be called inet_86vs
<libv>
brain_: what hardware is this that isn't booting with 3.4?
<libv>
hdmi/dvi are wholly based on lvds, but unlike hdmi/dvi you do not get a pair of wires per colour channel. you get 6 bits of data per pair (4-5 pairs, of which one is the clock - 4 pairs 18bit, 5 pairs 24 bit) and this up to a given bandwidth, after which you need a second channel
<libv>
oliv3r: you should be able to recognize it from there, lcd_if should be 3
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<hramrach>
hello
<hramrach>
anyone has some idea how to make flat connection to the UART pads?
<hramrach>
the pasd are on the side of the PCB that rests against the display so the thinner the better I guess
<hramrach>
still I need to find where they actually connect
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<hramrach>
btw how do I tell what kind of display is on the tablet?
<hramrach>
I tried stfw for the random stuff printed on the cable and only thing that came up is that it's also used on a rk tablet
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<hramrach>
and yes, the display does not come up on this one either
<hramrach>
it says 0 in the fex but might just be bogus
<libv>
hramrach: try the pll3 trick anyway, you never know
<libv>
or was it pll7
<juanfont>
is there any decent 3g tablet with AW?
<libv>
juanfont: is there any decent tablet with allwinner?
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<juanfont>
:P
<hramrach>
hmmm, I will try to search for the pll thingy
<libv>
hramrach: LVDS LCD no clock
<libv>
is the name of the email thread
<hramrach>
thanks
<libv>
"[PATCH] Fix K1001L1C LCD bug"
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<libv>
but you probably need to set pll3_freq = 297 under [target]
<libv>
imho this really should have no effect, but then, i will find out the real cause if this tablet that i just bought is the one i think it is
<oliv3r>
libv: lcd_if = 0 :(
<oliv3r>
hramrach: you can solder very thin pads; no need for big gulps
<oliv3r>
libv: that patch got merged allready I think
<libv>
oliv3r: yeah, but it doesn't make sense to have this fix there
<oliv3r>
the driver should do the right thing? (tm)
<libv>
yup, it should, but it apparently doesn't
<libv>
why, i will hopefully be able to find out
<oliv3r>
i guess you are fixing this in the KMS driver though? or does the kms driver still need the disp driver to talk to the hardware?
<libv>
the fact that this is needed doesn't make sense to me atm
<libv>
but my kms driver uses both pll7 (for the engine clocks) and pll3 (for the display clock)
<libv>
so wait and see what the issue is there
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<oliv3r>
kms is a replacement for disp + fb?
<oliv3r>
or just disp?
<oliv3r>
or disp + fb + g2d?
<oliv3r>
hopefully Post FOSDEM i'll understand the whole allwinner display architecture better :)
<libv>
disp & fb
<oliv3r>
and lima obviously is mali/gpu/3d, so what driver would g2d go under? xorg-server-video-sunxig2d?
<libv>
no drm driver does 2d
<libv>
yet the idiots happily tossed together display and 3d
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<libv>
so perhaps g2d will remain as is, it will need to get dma_buf and the afterthought (wtf!) that is dma_fence
<oliv3r>
libv: i'm looking at the K1001L1C pcb; and i noticed that the LCD connector has an extra chip there, a 'lvds' controller of some sort? what's the function of that chip?
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<oliv3r>
hmm, that 50 pin flatcable seems labled 'tp' so that may be a touchpanel controller chip
<oliv3r>
the LCD seems to be top right; with quite some bodge wires
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<brain_>
look were it says EXAMPLE TABLE "Using NAND /dev/nand, with 15958016 sectors (7792.0MB)."
<brain_>
I simply cannot figure out were they got that number 15958016
<libv>
oliv3r: yeah, that probably takes in the rgb data and encodes it over to lvds
<oliv3r>
libv: you sure it's not the touchscreen driver?
<oliv3r>
brain_: libv wrote that page I think
<oliv3r>
I want to control my UPS over USB, but apcupsd won't start
<oliv3r>
now that question is really very frequently asked
<ccaione>
brain_: 7792*1024*2
<libv>
brain_: first state what tablet you are working on
<brain_>
that worked fine, i was multiplying by 512x2...been a while and i suck at math. its a Zeki TB782B.
<brain_>
that you
<brain_>
thank you
<brain_>
ugh just woke up
<libv>
brain_: which of the tablets on linux-sunxi is that also known as?
<brain_>
I really do not know but the generic sun4i-crane kernel configs bootup without any issue.
<libv>
brain_: new_device_howto
<brain_>
it really is a cheap tab but I love the way the hardware is setup internally.
<ccaione>
lsl, new_device_howto is the libv's personal crusade
<ccaione>
:)
<libv>
ccaione: yes, for your benefit as well.
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<ccaione>
yeah, if one day I'll buy a sunxi tablet
<libv>
...
<brain_>
you want me to write something up I don't mind. I have plenty of notes. I am upgrading to the 10" A20 version once I get through with this...trying to breath some new life into the thing. i already have a decent tab for daily usage but I am so sick of android
<libv>
brain_: i don't say this for no reason.
<libv>
brain_: you are depending a lot on wiki pages that others have written and information that others have gathered for you.
<libv>
brain_: it is only natural that you do that little courtesy of creating a useful wiki page (where you can also document your own findings with your tablet) and send in a patch for u-boot and sunxi-boards
<libv>
brain_: if you don't do any of that, you are outright stating to guys like me that they are wasting their time, that any effort put in has gone to waste on just a single person
<brain_>
So do I just need to create an account on the wiki page and get started or does it need to be approved? I really do not mind I would love to have my notes and hardware mods, info and data put someplace to help others.
<libv>
it doesn't need to be approved
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<brain_>
Ok great! I will sort my notes and start posting what I have onto the wiki page. I ran my own forum for 4 years so i know what you mean about helping one person in private versus posting in the public forums.
<libv>
cool :)
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<brain_>
I just got registered. as soon as I get everything sorted out so I know the information is correct I will create a new page. I've already read through the new_device_howto page. I want everything to be correct. like I said I spent 6 months in limbo tackling the touchscreen driver alone and kind of got a bit unorganized since. I want to get the 3.4 kernel to boot for the wiki page. do not worry once I take my medicine the Wiki page wi
<brain_>
ll get going.
<brain_>
i NEVER wrote a wiki page so its kind of new to me, most of my information is sittiing in Tomboy notes :/ gonna be a new experience for me in that regard since other will be reading it at some point.
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<libv>
brain_: it's almost plain text with just a few simple formatting characters
<libv>
brain_: the example page should give you enough hints to get this done succesfully
<oliv3r>
brain_: there's a nice template you can copy/paste :)
<oliv3r>
i'm soo tired today :(
<brain_>
I will definitely need a template of some sort to starte with, does the system allow file hosting or do i need to provide that? i've got a massive collection working under the microscope to trace out things, debug. methods used for find the uart, how I mapped out the IRQ's used when i was fighting the driver issue. i just need some time its still very early here.
<oliv3r>
brain_: nah, the wiki is a big database kind of
<oliv3r>
brain_: as for pictures, you can upload them and link them into your document
<binaryferret>
out of interest brain_ what was the touchscreen that you wrote the touchscreen driver for?
<brain_>
ft5306, yes there is one out there but it did not function on this tablet, I had to severely modify it before it would work. I trashed the eeprom and ended up having to use a bin file from another tablet with the wrong demensions which i fixed once the driver worked.
<binaryferret>
Nice :D
<binaryferret>
Well, sad that you had issues, but nice that you solved it.
<HdkR>
not new, it speculates about ChromeOS support though
<HdkR>
So...yay for PVR on "linux" again?
<oliv3r>
that isn't the optimus though; and some yank; i don't belive he works at aw
<gzamboni>
oliv3r, i saw that video, i think you will be one of the "first customers" to receive it. Did they tell you went they will send your board ?
<HdkR>
oh, I didn't watch the video
<oliv3r>
maybe it is yeah
<oliv3r>
gzamboni: dunno; but not happy about powervr; so dunno what i'll do with it :)
<oliv3r>
maybe i'll deny it :) and say 'i don't want powervr'
<oliv3r>
nove: h265 though; i would exect these cpu's to be way to weak for any h265
<oliv3r>
nove: anyway, i should debug if its' mplayer vs mpv; but mplayer2 seems to not work too great with cedar atm
<brain__>
ahh there we are. Well its a small start but im getting the hang on it. gonna add some more info and see what pictures I had locally before I really get involved.
<nove>
and for anything missing we can add *_CEDRUS_* controls
<nove>
wingrime: jemk ^
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<libv>
brain__: aha, yes, those two pads really looked suspiciously like a uart
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<oliv3r>
nove: sounds new; when was that published?
<oliv3r>
nove: ah, it usees M2M :)
<brain__>
yea they were easy to find. I have a LOT of pictures to add to show how a clean installation can be done but right now I am gonna try to get this nand-boot working. i'll come back to it in between kernel builds.
<nove>
oliv3r: i just when to the site i clicked the first link to looked related
<libv>
brain__: could you do a picture of the complete back of the device? this is a good way to identify tablets on sight
<jemk>
nove: yes, I think this is the way to go, but it isn't available in 3.4
<brain__>
its a start at least
<libv>
brain__: yeah
<brain__>
Yes I will take more pictures
<oliv3r>
jemk: oh your here too; mplayer starts to stall when resizing/looping longer with mplayer2/debian
<nove>
jemk: then time for mainline, we don't need disp to start
<libv>
brain__: the block size calculation is quite iffy with the current code
<oliv3r>
well i'd port it to 3.10 first; disp + most mainline bits
<libv>
nand-part isn't the most refined of tools
<jemk>
oliv3r: also when not resizing?
<libv>
brain__: but here's a top tip: give a partition a size that's known too large...
<libv>
brain__: and the kernel will then, upon resync, spew out the real size of the partition
<libv>
you can look for it in dmesg
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<oliv3r>
jemk: when not resizing, after about 20 minutes I guess; i use -loop 0
<jemk>
nove: yes, i tried to do my h264enc demo on mainline, but there are clocks and such things missing
<brain__>
Ok i'll try now and see what happens...what I dont understand is how does the u-boot know to load uimage if nandb is gone which held the bootargs? since nandb will now be the rootfs?
<oliv3r>
brain__: you probably can best just start the kernel from nanda/boot.axf
<brain__>
last time I tried I got invalid image magic error when u-boot searched
<oliv3r>
brain__: but u-boot has these settings hardcoded by default afaik
<oliv3r>
brain__: nuking nandb is possible; but shouldn't be the first step :)
<brain__>
how would I start the kernel using boot.axf?
<oliv3r>
brain__: via the .ini :p
<brain__>
I attempted to change the line in the ini file....right now it lists uboot.bin...
<brain__>
it then jumped to fel mode
<brain__>
complained about sizes
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<nove>
oliv3r: yes, and what is missing we can ask to add
<brain__>
so realistically uboot is not needed to boot a kernel directly? maybe if I edit the ini first but update the side segment, i did not try that
<libv>
brain__: the nand howto actually isn't complete
<brain__>
size*
<libv>
brain__: it requires patches of mine that are sitting on the ml
<libv>
this then allows you to put the necessary files in nanda/linux/ and be done
<brain__>
i have no recovery.ini, could I add one? would it attempt to boot the kernel using that ini or do i need more changes?
<libv>
yes, it could be more dynamic, but as said in the first email, lichee-dev is not a long term solution
<libv>
brain__: check out this email
<brain__>
ok
<nove>
jemk: then, we could start with a wiki page, a VE kernel TODO to do the planing, oliv3r can you help us (i am not very aware of kernel things)
<jemk>
oliv3r: arch doesn't have mplayer2 in the repo and i don't want to compile it, you are on your own ;) maybe you can look at "perf top" to see where it is slow
<jemk>
or drop mplayer2, its end of life
<atsampson>
mpv seems to work remarkably well -- it's replaced mplayer/mplayer2 for me
<wingrime>
nove: don't be so quick
<wingrime>
maz: we need display support for mainline
<wingrime>
err
<brain__>
I see whats going on in that patch, I could apply this manually to the u-boot sources to test it...think that would be a good idea?
<wingrime>
nove: we need DISP firstly
<brain__>
Also, it seems possible I could do a testrun using the commands directly no?
<oliv3r>
wingrime: with mem2mem; you actually decode to ram; so you can decode to png if you have to
<oliv3r>
brain__: use the recovery.ini to get an idea how a linux.img would look like
<oliv3r>
jemk: debian doesn't have mplayer 1 or mpv; only mplayer2; so i guess i'll try the fedora binary from the other partition tomorrow :)
<maz>
wingrime: display support? I'm afraid you're asking the wrong guy. I'm very happy with a serial console! ;-)
<libv>
wingrime: yes, yes
<nove>
wingrime: but i think is at lest time to start planing
<libv>
first i need to get the buffer swapping of fbturbo fixed, so i can demo something useful at FOSDEM
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<nove>
wingrime: then not starting, only planing for now, do we create a wiki page for this?
<wingrime>
nove: wa always can use libdrm scheme and use existing code
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<nove>
wingrime: can libdrm protect the use of the buffer registers? so that the userland doesn't be allowed to write to any memory address
<nove>
wingrime: i think v4l is better in this case, it even says, "Memory-to-memory devices can often be used as a shared resource: you can open the video node multiple times ..."
<libv>
wingrime/nove: please use dma_buf/dma_fence
<libv>
i will base the upstream kms driver on that, as it isn't available in 3.4 yet
<libv>
this will also be true for any future mali kernel work
<libv>
yes, it should be available, but only in more recent kernels than 3.4
<libv>
brain__: you should be able to apply something similar to the sun4i file, yes
<libv>
brain__: this part is pretty chip independent, it just tells u-boot where to look for script.bin and the uImage
<nove>
libv: my none existent knowledge of the kernel doesn't allows me to know if that is good or not, i just want to make things going
<libv>
i thought you guys were talking about memory, and giving/restricting access to it
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<nove>
libv: i was referring to the security problem, of having the cedar hardware that when activated will write to the address that is in a output buffer register
<nove>
so stoping userland to put there bad values for address
<libv>
nove: the kernel driver should check for that
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<brain__>
i did not do anything to the partition layout yet, I simply built u-boot with that patch, updated it on my tablet, put my uImage into nanda/linux and bam it launched the kernel.
<brain__>
it fails to boot however due to no root= option, cant mount a filesystem...i think im on the right track here tho thanks. any pointers?
<brain__>
good news is that patch worked on the sun4i tree and worked were the last attempt failed completely.
<brain__>
were should I set the root=option? should I compile it into the kernel itself or use u-boot args?
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<Turl>
brain__: u boot args would be prefered
<jemk>
Turl: hi, are you sure pll4 is compatible with pll1 on a20? To me it looked like it wouldn't have p and m when playing around, only n and k and the manual says this too.
<Turl>
jemk: let me recheck docs & code
<Turl>
jemk: on A13 it is compatible
<Turl>
jemk: on A20 it doesn't seem so hm
<Turl>
jemk: good catch
<Turl>
jemk: looks compatible with pll5 before the divisors though
<jemk>
Turl: they added pll8 and it seems like pll4 is changed and is now same as pll8
<Turl>
jemk: can you try something like http://sprunge.us/SPgK + changing the compatible?
<jemk>
Turl: that seems to work
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<Turl>
jemk: I'll make a proper patch and submit it to mike then
<Turl>
jemk: what are you working on with ve on mainline btw? :)
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<jemk>
Turl: I tried to do the h264 encoding poc on mainline, but gave up pretty fast and did it in userspace again.
<jemk>
Turl: now I want to try again and do at least some tests, but there are more clocks missing and i don't really understand how this clock things work.
<Turl>
jemk: if you give me a list of the clocks you're missing I'll implement them
<wingrime>
Turl: egg and chicken problem
<jemk>
Turl: :) dram gates (0x100) and VE clock (0x13c)
<jemk>
ve clock ideally with the reset function, but i think this isn't the job of the clock framework
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<wingrime>
jemk: seems, many clocks have reset in register but it not documented
<Turl>
jemk: ok, I'll ping you when I have something to test
<Turl>
libv: ^^
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<brain__>
WOOT! got it!
<brain__>
Thank you Turl, libv and everyone else. the missing link for me was the bootloader patch. that got me on the right track. I merged all my partitions so all I have left is nanda for the bootloader files, small nandb for env, and one large ext4 partition which is holding my rootfs. I made zero changes to my rootfs and it boots up a WHOLE lot faster than my sd image.
<brain__>
now im gonna see about upgrading my kernel to 3.4 if possible. dont worry i have EVERYTHING documented along the way for the wiki.
<brain__>
no more android and plenty of storage for native building. gonna have some fun with this.
<oliv3r>
lo
<libv>
brain__: use those u-boot args that you put in that patched config file
<libv>
ah, ok :)
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<brain__>
just got it going, working on updating the kernel.
<brain__>
thank you libv for your help and patience!
<libv>
atsampson: looks good. I would break up the tips/tricks/caveats section with seperate headings, but that's a taste thing
<libv>
brain__: well, keep up the good work, we still need some patches for your board :)
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: i think we need to back-patch 3.4 stuff again; there's stuff we want in later 3.4
<libv>
atsampson: looks real nice though, well done
<oliv3r>
brain__: if your not using u-boot, via the ini directly booting a bImage; then yes, you have ot compile it in; if you use u-boot to boot a kernel; you can use the 'env' partition, which holds al u-boot settings, in nandbi think (kernel is nandc, unliky what i told you earlier)
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<oliv3r>
wingrime: if we can confirm reset bits on certain registers; we should make use of it with the register controller
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<Faisal>
hi there, anyone knows how i can enable hdmi sound by any chance on the cubietruck ?
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<Faisal>
hi there, anyone knows how i can enable hdmi sound by any chance on the cubietruck ?
<oliv3r>
Faisal: works by default :p
<oliv3r>
or should; most likly your script.bin is isconfigured
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<Faisal>
oliv3r: i downloaded the cubian image on the cubieboard website and its not working :(
<Faisal>
oliv3r: sript.bin ?
<Faisal>
oliv3r: googled it, thx
<oliv3r>
Faisal: probably wanna check #cubieboard first
<oliv3r>
or cubietech; or cubietruck; dunno what they fly under these days
<Faisal>
oliv3r: thx will do, i figure that file is already configured properly since its on their website, I'll ask them in any case, thx a lot
<oliv3r>
exactly;t he entire image should work
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<libv>
hramrach: if the uart is disabled, then there is a good chance that it is multiplexed with the sdcard
<libv>
hramrach: a multimeter should quickly reveal that
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<hramrach>
libv: it is connected to the SD slot :/
<hramrach>
quite clear with a SD breakout board
<yessikattal>
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<hramrach>
わかりません〜
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<hramrach>
libv: and they have uart3 free which is not connected to anything. Chinese :/
<libv>
hramrach: :)
<hramrach>
actually thy have yet another pair of testpoints marked rx and tx :o
<oliv3r>
hramrach: that's probably uart0
<hramrach>
and still next to the sd slot
<hramrach>
and also connected to the slot
<hramrach>
and covered by the TP cable most of the time, awesome
<oliv3r>
why did they add 2 identical test points?!
<oliv3r>
you can short them with the multimeter?
<hramrach>
I can short them to the SD slot both
<oliv3r>
that's just beyond stupid
<hramrach>
each pair on one side of the PCB
<oliv3r>
can you make a closeup of the A13 chip near pin 150?
<oliv3r>
e.g. the 'left' side
<hramrach>
it goes to a via if anywhere
<hramrach>
almost no connections on that side
<oliv3r>
yeah backside if your photoskills allow it too
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<hramrach>
I would need a real light and something that can focus on close objects
<hramrach>
and the whole abckside ahs a sticker to insulate from the metal LCD casing
<oliv3r>
well you can try look closely yourself too of course
<oliv3r>
try to find pin 151 and 152
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<hramrach>
probably no connection or going under the chip
<hramrach>
there is some other part right next to A13 there so quite hard to look at that spot
<hramrach>
but hey, those are taken by CTP, anyway. At least the fex says so
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<oliv3r>
pin 150 should be marked with a white dot
<hramrach>
yes, it is
<oliv3r>
on my tablet 151 and 152 are about 1mm long, then go to a via
<oliv3r>
on the other side; there's 2 pads
<hramrach>
on my tablet 1mm from the A13 there is a row of random SMD parts
<hramrach>
What AXP is commonly found with A13?
<hramrach>
the AXP I have seems to be ?09
<hramrach>
can't read the middle
<oliv3r>
209
<oliv3r>
either you have axp 152; or 209
<hramrach>
ok, 209 is likely
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<hramrach>
yes, it's 209. found a readable angle :)
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<yessikattal>
los hombres escribanme en privado
<yessikattal>
quien es hombre diga yoo
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<oliv3r>
hramrach: the only other 09 i know, is 809
<oliv3r>
which is a80 stuff
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