<wens>
that means the system will boot, you will get a console
<mathieui>
ok
<wens>
and network using the emac driver
<mathieui>
with usb and eth?
<wens>
no usb in mainline yet
<mathieui>
ok
<mathieui>
no problem, I can wait
<mathieui>
thanks
<wens>
you can use sunxi-devel, in either linux-sunxi or hansg's tree
<wens>
that integrates most of our work that is working
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<Turl>
woot!
<Turl>
I got my goodix touchscreen working on something that's not a blob :D
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<oliv3r>
Turl: whoot
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<Turl>
:)
<mripard_>
Turl: pong
<Turl>
oliv3r, do you think upgrading class 4->10 would make a difference in system responsiveness?
<Turl>
mripard_, remind me to ask you something tomprrow :p
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<Turl>
oliv3r, it seems to be io bound, although I haven't gotten any real figures
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<mripard_>
Turl: tomorrow being today, right ? :)
<Turl>
yeah
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<oliv3r>
Turl: class 4 is really slow; so yeah should matter somewhat atleast
<oliv3r>
Turl: you up really early or going to bed really late?
<Turl>
bed
<oliv3r>
Turl: swet dreams :p
<oliv3r>
lkcl: good morning!
<Turl>
gnight :)
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<Turl>
I have a bunch of stuff to clean and push/send tomorrow
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<oliv3r>
:D
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<jelly>
libv_: that too-cheap-to-be-true A23 tablet you linked, got shipping magically converted from TNT to CN Post Air Mail, at no change in shipping price. Still it says full refund if it doesn't arrive in 7 days (and there's no chance in hell Croatian Post will process it in time even if it arrives)
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<oliv3r>
jelly: what a23 tablet
<jelly>
oliv3r: some Q88 thing linked yesterday or so on aliexpress, unavailable today
<rellla>
i try to run www.tvdr.de with vdpau. video is ok, but osd isn't displayed. vdpau logs say, that the methods are called successfully, but nothing is shown. i think it has to do with /dev/g2d? and overlapping layers...
<rellla>
mplayer seems to work ok with osd?!
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<nove>
rellla: that is one that i an clueless, only got A13, so no g2d, so never tried osd
<rellla>
nove: anyway thanks ;)
<oliv3r>
nove: i'm using stock ubuntu from debootstrap + packages.sunxi.org; i only get the slowness after a while; initially it runs fine
<oliv3r>
rellla: vdpau doesn't have overlay yet
* nove
should get a A23, but don't want to buy another useless tablet with bad lcd screen
<oliv3r>
rellla: there's a overlay branch; but it's out of date afaik
<oliv3r>
yeah same here; cheap tablets have bad tn screens; hate them
<nove>
i heard of a20 with eink displays, if there were also with A23
<oliv3r>
not psyched about the 16:9 formfactor, but i guess that's unavoidable
* libv
is finally happy with lima slides, even though the "Ooh-Aah" factor is completely missing this year
<oliv3r>
unfortunatly, no clue as to whether it's TN screen or proper tft/ips
<oliv3r>
pricewise, it absolutly should
<libv>
most likely tn
<libv>
1024x600 in 7" is where you might get lucky
<libv>
but that resolution at 9", no chance
<oliv3r>
i haven't seen that resolution anywhere
<oliv3r>
on a 7"
<libv>
whut?
<libv>
i have A10 and A20 tablets with 7" ips
<nove>
in the reviews, there is complain about very small angle, so is TN
<HdkR>
libv: Is there an Ooh-Aah factor of supporting T7xx? :D
<libv>
HdkR: supporting?
<HdkR>
Like a baus
<libv>
HdkR: when would i have done that?
<HdkR>
Okay, I'm fine with you only support T6xx :P
<libv>
when would i have done any t6xx work?
<libv>
HdkR: you seem to fail to grasp the painstaking and slow nature of this work
<oliv3r>
libv: lucky you :(
<HdkR>
Nah, You misunderstand how much I joke about supporting hardware that clearly isn't within your reach yet
<libv>
HdkR: don't joke about these things, i am seriously unhappy about the slow progress i am making, but i cannot help it either
<HdkR>
The thing is I don't really care too much, which is why I do make jokes
<HdkR>
Would be nice if it was going quicker sure, but I don't mind
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<nove>
now if there a tablet with a 24" monitor screen, that were something
<hramrach>
MS surface?
<nove>
with allwinner, also with input so that could work as a regular monitor
<hramrach>
too long wishlist
<hramrach>
you should probably have something like dual HDMI monitor with an AW tablet bolted at the back
<hramrach>
without much issue
<hramrach>
if you re into hw hacking try to open a monitor and find a place where the tablet board would fit ;-)
<nove>
there are already plenty of similar tablets, they cloud make something different for a change
<oliv3r>
nove: LVDS is pretty standard inside monitors; you could hook up a cb there
<oliv3r>
i was thinking
<hramrach>
nove: but that would require they research what people actually want and try to build a device that fulfills that. That requires thinking, not copy-pasting. Also not suitable for budget market at which AW aims with their chips. I would certainly *not* want a budget 24" screen.
<hramrach>
plus shipping tablets is cheap, shipping 24" screens is not. They may as well be making them and just not shipping them outside China
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<oliv3r>
android monitors very much exist allready
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<libv>
eoma-68 enabled monitor?
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<oliv3r>
yeah absolutly, sounds like a great idea to be fair
<oliv3r>
it's just the whole hooking up with lvds etc is a pain i suppose
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<plaes>
libv: are you currently working on the display driver?
<libv>
plaes: yes, as i am trying to get it working on a20 by friday
<plaes>
for mainline or 3.4?
<libv>
first 3.4, then the work for mainline starts
<plaes>
nice
<libv>
but that's full LCD/LVDS support on 3.4 before mainline work starts
<plaes>
and hdmi?
<libv>
is up, apart from infoframe/audio, or i2c
<plaes>
nice
<libv>
on a10 at least
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<ZetaNeta>
Anyone have experience of taking a allwinner board on a multicopter?
<hramrach>
and yes, it *could* have 2GB but nobody makes that
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<plaes>
it says 1GB in title
<hramrach>
yes, the RK tablet has 2GB
<plaes>
mm.. screws for opening :)
<hramrach>
also seems a23 has no hdmi just like a13
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<ZetaNeta>
YEA! A one liner to tell what to copy
<ZetaNeta>
find /usr/include | fgrep "$(make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- INet97F-II 2>&1 | grep -sm1 'include/.*:.*:.*: fatal error: .*: No such file or directory' | cut -d':' -f5 | cut -d' ' -f2)"
<ZetaNeta>
(Yes, i dont assume it will work and break my script)
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<ZetaNeta>
Someone... now it wants stddef.h....
<ZetaNeta>
Please....
<ZetaNeta>
Someone.... Compile this for me
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<libv>
ZetaNeta: start using a proper distribution and stop whinging
<libv>
or a proper toolchain, whatever applies.
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<wens>
translating musb registers to the wiki is a pain :(
<ZetaNeta>
libv, Toolchain seems ok
<ZetaNeta>
And i dont really have much choice about the distro right now
<ZetaNeta>
My gentoo died (Together with its host)
<ZetaNeta>
So right now i am on a Pentium 4 with knoppix
<ZetaNeta>
and taking another distro would be long and.... eh....
<specing>
lol
<specing>
died?
<specing>
Did it die bravely in combat?
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<ZetaNeta>
Yes
<ZetaNeta>
If i will show it to you, you will need mental help
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<ZetaNeta>
Screen is off, far left corner are just shreds of the cooling system
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<ZetaNeta>
far right (the charging) have now finally passed
<ZetaNeta>
Its hard to call this screen a screen any more
<ZetaNeta>
The bottom panel (ofcourse) is also torn in pieces
<ZetaNeta>
And all i done on it is coding
<ZetaNeta>
internet
<ZetaNeta>
and some etc stuff
<ZetaNeta>
Never buy HP
<ZetaNeta>
They never can assemble good cooling (Their laptops left me with a severe burns twice). And their laptops fall in pieces after a year and 1-5 months
<ZetaNeta>
Now... i got a "warm up the room" hp workstation
<ZetaNeta>
I hardly managed to get knoppix there
<ZetaNeta>
And now... you are saying i cant get my UBOOT to compile on it?
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<Turl>
mnemoc: ping
<hramrach>
ZetaNeta: I have opposite experience with HP. The hardware tends to be decent but their services suck
<ZetaNeta>
hramrach, Well, maybe in business area they are good (except for EliteBook p2760 i had)... atleast someone said
<hramrach>
and getting a distro other than knoppix on anything should not be that hard. I would expect knoppix to work somewhat but it was not made exactly as a development workstation distro
<hramrach>
ZetaNeta: elitebooks tend to be good
<hramrach>
of course, nothing is 100%
<ZetaNeta>
But all "home" laptops like Pavilion dv7 (i had 2), Pavilion m6, ENVY dv7 and Mini 210.... None survived
<ZetaNeta>
hramrach, I am getting a Fujitsu T902 this February
<hramrach>
I bought something like HP 450 fro my parents and it works so far
<ZetaNeta>
Elitebook was quite good... atleast better than the rest
<hramrach>
it was an earlier slightly different model but you get the idea
<ZetaNeta>
I mean it survived for longer
<ZetaNeta>
Eh...
<hramrach>
it's working for some years already but of course light use
<Turl>
no trouble with acer so far here
<Turl>
(other than a dead battery after the years)
<hramrach>
we have some really old P4 workstations at work. Those things did not break in all those years. even have GBit ethernet
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<hramrach>
HP P4 workstations
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<hramrach>
pretty much only good as doorstep by now
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<hramrach>
but who can say they have a doorstep with GBit ethernet?
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<Turl>
hramrach: P4 are still decent machines for browsing and stuff
<Turl>
(if you don't pay the electricity bill)
<hramrach>
too low ram .. too slow everything .. takes ages to boot
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<Turl>
yeah, of course if they have 256M it'll be slow
<Turl>
but P4 can take up to 4G usually
<Turl>
and has sata
<ZetaNeta>
Turl, And what about Pentium D?
<ZetaNeta>
My main server is a pentium d
<hramrach>
probably more like 2G in practice if you fulfill all the chipset/bios/ram stick compatibility
<hramrach>
and it will still be slow. the chipset is just ancient
<ZetaNeta>
hramrach, Remember: If a mobo says it only supports only 4gb ram, it is not always true
<ZetaNeta>
My Pentium D works fine with 5 gigs of ddr2
<ZetaNeta>
While it says 4 gb max (Asus P5WD2-Premium)
<ZetaNeta>
And i found a very important fact as a person who still got few classical macs working: A 5-year old cpu, when slightly overclocked, can beat any i7 pc.
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<ZetaNeta>
A good mobo, with a old cpu, will beat a i7 with a "office computer" mobo
<ZetaNeta>
Always
<hramrach>
with ddr1 you still had the singlesided/doublesided this layout chips that layout chips
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<ZetaNeta>
"640k is still quite enough for some people"
<hramrach>
and the boards were designed before sticks of that capacity even existed so sometimes it turned out they were designed for sticks that were never manufactured in practice
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: good luck beating my desktop with a PentiumD >:D
<ZetaNeta>
Turl, How can we compare? I am ready. I got a Pentium D, with a good gaming mobo of its time, with 5 gigs of ram. (With FreeBSD, and 2 tb drive)
<ZetaNeta>
And you?
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<Turl>
ZetaNeta: i7 3770K with more than 3 times your ram :)
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: time to compile uboot from scratch
<ZetaNeta>
time the compiler, and see, who have a better, and more optimized system
<Turl>
>:D
<ZetaNeta>
Turl, "Not fair!"
<ZetaNeta>
Erm.... We can try.... tmux? What about tmux?
<jemk>
rellla: video will be always on top, you can't overlap with other windows
<ZetaNeta>
Or.... "Oh yeah"... Firefox!
<ZetaNeta>
Or maybe a webkit?
* ZetaNeta
needs to go. But when he will return, he will start this
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: let's do sth simpler
<rellla>
jemk: other windows or other layers?
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<Turl>
ZetaNeta: time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100K
<jemk>
rellla: only two layers can be alpha blended, normal that is the X desktop and the video, in osd branch it's the video and the osd
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: worst of 4 runs is 4,18747 sec
<Turl>
now back to serious stuff
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<rellla>
jemk: ok. so sth. is still missing or wrong i think. i tried to get www.tvdr.de running with vdpau. video is ok, and vdpau logs tell me, that vdpau functions or called correctly (bitmap_surface or output_surface) afaics. vdr logs say, that some osd is displayed, but i can't see it.
<rellla>
VdpBitmapSurfacePutBitsNative uses ARGB in vdr. can it be an alpha issue or some endianess issue?
<jemk>
rellla: can you try if you have an osd in mplayer1? there it should work, that's the only player i tested
<jemk>
rellla: "work", it is only a hack to show how it could be done. To get a real osd it needs to be done in X driver
<rellla>
Turl: i think, he composed his windows with gimp to make it look like w7 :p
<jemk>
rellla: the vdp_output_surface_render_{bitmap,output} functions handle only one specific case, and as i now notice even without checking if that is the requested case
<jemk>
rellla: so possibly vdr does something different
<jemk>
rellla: the softhddevice source looks like they are using BGRA and vdpau always assumes ARGB i think, but this shouldn't lead to a totally invisible osd except they never use blue color
<jemk>
rellla: don't really know at the moment, but i think this is only used in fill mode
<rellla>
jemk: this is what i told the author. sth should be visible anyways. he told me, softhddevice uses/expects ARGB
<jemk>
rellla: if i find some time i might try to install vdr and try myself, but I actually don't want to maintain the osd branch at the moment
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<rellla>
that would be very cool. aquiring some more sunxi users ;)
<jemk>
I'm still in doubt if vdpau is a good idea, i only started it because it looked to be a pretty good framework for reverse engineering
<jemk>
but it is more designed for opengl like graphic cards and not for embedded systems with display engines
<rellla>
jemk: i know. that's the reason, why it's not the perfect framework for xbmc on arm socs due to missing gl(es) interop mode. but it's a very common framework anyways. opening much doors...
<rellla>
*many doors
<jemk>
rellla: but the output part is far to complex to map it perfectly to our hardware
<jemk>
we only can support subsets or we have to do software rendering a lot
<jemk>
i dare to say it would be less work to write plugins for each player to do the output directly than to figure out how to make vdpau work with all players
<rellla>
it would be a maintenance problem in the end
<jemk>
ok, valid argument
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<jemk>
rellla: and when thinking about mainline all motivation to do more work on the output finally vanishes, as there it all has to be redone, we won't have disp there in its current form.
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<Turl>
mnemoc, oliv3r: I just pushed a couple of patches to sunxi-tools/boards/u-boot-sunxi
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<libv>
NDH #2
<libv>
3 strikes and you're out?
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<libv>
as this is jsmirls second device already
<rellla>
jemk: i doubt, that anyone will anytime redo any disp...
<libv>
it will end up using dma-buf/dma-fence, so work towards that and it will somehow converge
<libv>
ssvb backported dma-buf to staging btw
<rellla>
ah sorry libv ;)
<libv>
s/and/end/
<libv>
oh, no, it was correct first time round
<Turl>
libv: NDH?
<libv>
Turl: what do i like to bash people around the head with?
<plaes>
new device howto \o/
<jemk>
ah, btw, question to the more kernel experienced guys: doing a v4l2 driver for cedar would mean we have to parse video streams in kernel space. I would guess that is a bad idea.
<Turl>
ah
<Turl>
libv: it made me think not designed here
<Turl>
:)
<plaes>
s/designed/documented
<libv>
:)
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<Turl>
jemk: can't you do so on userspace?
<Turl>
and just pass the driver the right chunk of data to feed the hardware?
<jemk>
the other existing v4l drivers all do this in firmware, but we don't have a firmware that takes streams, we have to parse the stream and pass the values in registers
<libv>
jemk: that does indeed feel somewhat wrong, but then, most of the 2d accel of radeons happens in kernel space these days as well, and linus is happy about it
<Turl>
I'm not versed on v4l at all though
<libv>
jemk: how do other vdpau implementations do it?
<jemk>
Turl: v4l takes streams, which is correct as all hardware with existing drivers takes streams
<Turl>
jemk: can't you make a "sunxi" stream which goes 1:1 with the hardware?
<libv>
i am actually about to send hans verkuil an email, as i am sending out the final email to the graphics devroom speakers
<jemk>
Turl: maybe, but that is somewhat against the sense of a common interface
<libv>
there will be a v4l driver 101 on sunday, so i will stick around, and i expect you guys to at least watch the video :)
<Turl>
I'll be watching
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<Turl>
hmm "lubuntu n7 session", what's that? :)
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<Turl>
oh haha, huge icons :)
<jemk>
too bad i don't have time, would be a good opportunity to get in touch with the more experienced guys