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<Turl> wens: ping
<wens> Turl: pong
<wens> nice timing, just got in
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<Turl> wens: :)
<Turl> wens: do you have any outstanding patches I should review/take/comment on?
<Turl> esp. clock stuff
<wens> I assume you've looked at rename series v3 already?
<Turl> did I comment on it?
<wens> on IRC yes
<Turl> then I shall take another look :)
<wens> There's also the gmac clock, which is included in the stmmac series
<wens> I'm thinking of splitting those patches out, and sending only the stmmac driver stuff to net-next
<wens> otherwise it's dependency hell :(
<Turl> the net guys take all the things if it looks good to them
<Turl> (or at least they did for emac, they took the dt too iirc)
<wens> we'd get a bunch of conflicts on the DT and the clock driver
<wens> that's what I'm worried about
<Turl> yeah
<Turl> better make a note that they should go through the other trees and that they're independent if you haven't already
<wens> still have to fix a few bits, rebase onto net-next and do a v3
<wens> so I can just send the driver to net-next, clock and dt stuff to LAKML
<Turl> wens: you should have two emails, nothing new from what we talked on IRC
<wens> we should ask mripard_ about the dt docs?
<Turl> yep
<Turl> he is cc'ed so we should get his thoughts on that soon enough
<wens> and the gmac clocks? or should I split them out and resend first?
<Turl> wens: I don't see any patches with clk: on that series
<Turl> where are they?
<wens> [PATCH v2 09/16] clk: sunxi: Add Allwinner A20/A31 GMAC clock unit
<wens> [PATCH v2 10/16] ARM: dts: sun7i: Add GMAC clock node to sun7i DTSI
* Turl looks
<Turl> wens: does it really not have any real parents? :P
<wens> you mean the dummy clocks?
<Turl> Ext. 125MHz RGMII TX clk <- well, that's ok as dummy
<Turl> MII TX clock from PHY <- that's external too?
<wens> Turl: it's from the PHY chip, so yeah it's external
<Turl> wens: so your driver implements support for "MII TX clock from PHY" and "GMAC Int. RGMII TX clk", am I reading this right?
<wens> yes
<Turl> and where does the latter come from?
<wens> AFAIK, it's an internal oscillator in the GMAC itself
<Turl> if that's true then the fixed clock is alright
<wens> and the clock rate depends on the set interface speed of the GMAC, so not controllable in the clock driver
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<wens> IMO, the whole thing really isn't a standard clock; it's just signal routing
<Turl> wens: any special reason why CLK_SET_PARENT_GATE btw?
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<Turl> howdy hipboi
<hipboi> Turl, morning
<hipboi> hardware bringing up
<hipboi> painful
<Turl> hipboi: sunxi? :)
<hipboi> Turl, yes
<Turl> I saw you complaining about dram fail the other day
<hipboi> yes
<hipboi> still no clue
<Turl> hipboi: what SoC, if you can tell?
<hipboi> Turl, sun7i
<hipboi> a customized project for a customer
<Turl> hipboi: dram fail is often bad/missoldered ram on the devices we see
<Turl> on a fresh bringup it may be something misdesigned
<Turl> hipboi: do you have a second prototype to test?
<hipboi> Turl, checked everything and also asked help
<hipboi> Turl, we have 10 samples
<Turl> hipboi: all 10 do it? :(
<hipboi> every fails dram init
<Turl> hipboi: have you tried livesuit?
<wens> Turl: it's hoping that no other user changes it while the gmac is using it, resulting in the gmac not working mid-way
<hipboi> Turl, stuck at while (readl(&dram->ccr) & DRAM_CCR_INIT);
<wens> but I suppose it's not an issue
<Turl> wens: I don't mind either way, I just wanted to know if it was there due to copy/paste or if it had a reason to be :)
<wens> I'll add a comment for it then :)
<Turl> hipboi: benn posted something about AW changing SoC revision and that causing trouble entering fel, maybe related?
<hipboi> Turl, fel is running, no problem downloading to sram
<Turl> hipboi: axp working correctly?
<Turl> hipboi: nvm, axp is configured after ram in uboot
<hipboi> Turl, yes
<Turl> maybe Tsvetan has more ideas
<Turl> hipboi: have you tried to configure less ram at slow speed?
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<Turl> wb hipboi
<hipboi> Turl, :)
<hipboi> bad network here, at other's company
<hipboi> Turl, thanks
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<wens> Turl: any other comments?
<Turl> wens: the magical [2] maybe, and the >80 char line :)
<Turl> wens: also you may want to drop the "no reparent" flag somewhere there, I think the muxes autoreparent if convenient
<Turl> (or maybe you're relying on that?)
<Turl> (drop in, ie add)
<wens> I'm using the autoreparent thing, instead of adding 3 clocks to the dt to get the parents
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<Turl> wens: fair enough :)
<Turl> add a small comment saying so if you don't have one already on the stmmac/glue code (I haven't looked at it yet)
<wens> I think I'll drop the CLK_SET_PARENT_GATE flag, as it won't protect against other users enabling/disabling the clock
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<Turl> good night
<JohnDoe_71Rus> Turl: morning :)
<Turl> :)
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<oliv3r> lo
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<wens> hi
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<ccaione> mripard_: ping
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<mripard_> ccaione: pong
<ccaione> mripard_: nvm :) actually the info on A31 were in the email by aw guys
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<mripard_> oh, ok :)
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<juanfont> what module should i load in order to get gmac ethernet working?
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<wens> 3.4? mainline?
<oliv3r> i'm debating if i want to buy a mele m3 or m5 sometime this year
<oliv3r> m3 has emmc appearnatly, vga out
<oliv3r> m5 doesn't have vga out but does have nand
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<wens> oh gee it's Friday, which means 3.14 could be out in a few hours?
<mripard_> wens: 3.13 :)
<libv> fosdem is going to rock this year
<libv> 506 talks are currently accepted
<libv> almost everything will be streamed live...
<juanfont> wens, 3.4
<oliv3r> 506 talks? wow
<juanfont> modprobe sunxi_gmac
<juanfont> ERROR: could not insert 'sunxi_gmac': Invalid argument
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<oliv3r> bbrezillon: now that's a concidence, was just reading your patch + its comments
<wens> mripard_: ah right, got so caught up with 3.14 stuff
<oliv3r> 3.15 should be a very interesting release
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<wens> anything we post now will end up in 3.15, right?
<mripard_> yes
<wens> seems like net-next waits till the last day to close
<bbrezillon_> oliv3r: haven't followed the IRC chan, what is a coincidence
<bbrezillon_> ?
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<wens> I can post the stmmac driver core patches, but I don't think I'll get an Ack in time
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<wens> and there's an interesting discussion going on on LAKML about wifi/bt in the DT
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<mouchon2> hi
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<mouchon2> i havea kernel dev newbi question what's the difference between platform_device_register_full and platform_device_register
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<juanfont> i've compiled the 3.4 kernel, with the default config, trying to make gigabit ethernet work in a dev board. the dmesg tells me that "gmac driver is disabled". any idea?
<ccaione> mouchon2: platform_device_register_full "add a platform-level device with resources and platform-specific data" http://lxr.missinglinkelectronics.com/linux/drivers/base/platform.c#L416
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<oliv3r> bbrezillon: that you joined as I was reading your patches :)
<oliv3r> juanfont: check your script.bin?
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<oliv3r> arete74: Allwinner Ax SoC's then ; and int he description add something to clarify that A10 could also be Boxchip F20' if i'm not mistaken anyway
<rm> "Ax" is so confusing
<rm> why not "A-series"
<rm> or "Axx"
<libv> rm: because next week it will be different again
<rm> there is no A2 or A1, right
<libv> we just had it with sun8wblahpblah
<libv> and this is likely to happen again in future
<libv> it really doesn't pay to have these discussions, just pick something and stick to it
<oliv3r> I always say A-series when i talk about them
<libv> for VIA hw, i ended up using vt<pci-id> to identify igp graphics
<libv> as every year or so, via had a change of mind
<oliv3r> well this would be the textual string to identify it to users
<oliv3r> hehe
<oliv3r> whatever is hot tomorrow, right
<oliv3r> so; work thorugh 350 more emails, or work on alip for fosdem
<oliv3r> desicions desicions
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<mripard_> oliv3r: aah, didn't thought of A-series
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<oliv3r> mripard_: it kinda clashes with F20, as that's kinda an early A10 or something; but I think we had this on our wiki once
<oliv3r> mripard_: F-series for budget/e-readers; A-series for their performance stuff
<mouchon2> <ccaione> tanks for the info
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: got your new laptop yet?
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<nikrou> Hi all
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<nikrou> I will update this weekend I had time the page related to my device : http://linux-sunxi.org/Inet_86vz
<nikrou> I will take more clear pictures with a lamp
<oliv3r> nikrou: amazing :)
<nikrou> What can I do more ?
<mnemoc> oliv3r: not yet :
<mnemoc> oliv3r: not yet :\
<nikrou> Can it be interesting to take more informations from my device ?
<oliv3r> mnemoc: :(
<oliv3r> nikrou: nah; it's pretty 'standard' really
<nikrou> ok
<oliv3r> this is the CM i ran on my tablet for ages
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<nikrou> Thanks. I think I will try to build my CM
<nikrou> following http://linux-sunxi.org/Starting_a_CyanogenMod_device_tree first but others materials too
<oliv3r> nikrou: if you really want to put the time and effort into making a generic android thing for A10; look at the replicant project; they are starting/working on replicant for A10 devices; paulk-collins (who also idles here) was starting it
<oliv3r> nikrou: coordinate with him ;)
<nikrou> I know about replicant.
<nikrou> I'm not sure what I want to do
<arete74> oliv3r: Allwinner "A-series SoC" sound good!
<nikrou> I want to try to have android 4.3 for my device
<nikrou> even if I need to customize things for my device only
<oliv3r> arete74: SoC's probably, as it's more then one :)
<oliv3r> nikrou: well replicant is cyanogenmod, without blobs; for a10 devices you don't really need blobs, well you may need mali + touchscreen driver
<arete74> php warning on wiki when i log in apc_store(): Potential cache slam averted for key 'sunxi-mw.user.id
<nikrou> Yes replicant is a more free release ! :-)
<oliv3r> mnemoc: ^
<oliv3r> nikrou: and you can always add those files later; like a proprietary 'hwpack'
<oliv3r> until lima is ready
<nikrou> ok
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<bbrezillon> hno,rz2k, slapin, or others: did someone test my NAND driver. I haven't found the origin of my bit flip bug (writing on the 5 first pages of a given block leads to a lot of bit flips on the 1st page on the same block)
<libv> nikrou: that nand patch should hit our kernel tree soon
<bbrezillon> I thought about write sequence (pages in a block should always be programmed in ascending page order), but I checked the requested page addresses and everything seems to be configured correctly
<libv> nikrou: so at most add it to tips, tricks, caveats
<oliv3r> libv: i'm reading the LVDS thread; is this the same signal that is used on monitors? (on the inside)?
<oliv3r> e.g. controller board -> panel?
<libv> oliv3r: yes/no
<libv> oliv3r: all depends on the device, whether device is a laptop, a tablet or a monitor
<oliv3r> there's T...something
<oliv3r> libv: i'm talking plain ol' monitor now
<oliv3r> i was thinking if it would be cool to connect an a10 device directly to a broken monitor, bypassing the controller board
<oliv3r> (ignoring backlight controls etc
<libv> but yes, lvds is used on many monitors as well
<libv> either direct rgb, lvds or edp is common
<libv> oliv3r: you will have to get a matching cable
<libv> oliv3r: recently, you can buy them from china
<libv> oliv3r: but that's only in the last few years
<libv> otherwise you needed to contact specialized cable confectioners
<libv> and i never did for my unichrome stuff, fearing the cost might be prohibitive
<oliv3r> well i have the cable, as it connects from the lcd, to the controller board
<oliv3r> and soldering it to a cubieboard header isn't a big deal either
<libv> (it ended being cheaper to just buy 5y old laptops with the same chip and similar connection)
<oliv3r> hehe
<libv> oliv3r: check ebay/aliexpress
<oliv3r> its just, i got a bunch of old 19" and 21" monitor lingering, some broken
<oliv3r> one 24" i even tried to swap the broken memory chip out
<libv> oliv3r: some chinese dude will have the cable to 2mm or 2.54mm header available
<oliv3r> it worked, but it turned out the display was actually broken :)
<wens> panel was broken? lol
<oliv3r> wens: yeah, wait, look
<nikrou> ok libv : done
<libv> nikrou: thanks
<libv> nikrou: now that you have a restored android
<libv> nikrou: can you add the android id strings for your device?
<libv> and add your device to "Also known as"
<libv> nikrou: a picture of the back of your device might help identification as well
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<libv> nikrou: about getting a newer android on it, try running it off an sd-card first :)
<libv> nikrou: also... since you are having so much fun tinkering with your tablet
<libv> nikrou: be honest to your wife and your kids
<libv> nikrou: and buy them another one
<libv> nikrou: you are kidding nobody
<libv> inventec.com?
<nikrou> It's my toy
<nikrou> :-)
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<juanfont> thanks, oliv3r. it was the script.bin :)
<libv> nikrou: ah, good, you're beyond denial already then :)
<nikrou> I will play on sdcard and let them play with the device. A good deal !
<libv> ah, still partially in denial
<nikrou> It's a new year resolution
<libv> nikrou: i give it another week then :p
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<nikrou> :-)
<nikrou> The fex file gives a 404 in wiki. Which file is it ?
<libv> nikrou: it is not in the repository yet
<libv> nikrou: nobody acked it so far
<libv> patches are on the ml though
<oliv3r> you have my ack
<oliv3r> i trust you libv
<libv> oliv3r: don't, i can be just as foolish or even more so than the next guy :)
<libv> i really hope ssvb finds some time to fix the buffer handling issue between lima and fbturbo...
<libv> i will have to disable using overlays otherwise, which is bad news for our lowly clocked A7
<oliv3r> :(
<oliv3r> almost done with my mail; then bringing up alip/ubuntu
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<oliv3r> libv: have you pushed your inet device to u-boot yet?
<oliv3r> or shall i merge your patch
<oliv3r> whitespace error!
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<oliv3r> well now they are both pusehd
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<libv> oliv3r: thanks :)
<oliv3r> the lichee-dev branch i'll let simmer a little longer (the patches) and merge them in a few weeks
<libv> yeah, i need to poke hramrach and Turl again on it
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<oliv3r> ERROR: "sched_setscheduler_nocheck" [drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_interactive.ko] undefined!
<oliv3r> whut?
<oliv3r> this better be because of something I did
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<bbrezillon> I eventually found where these bit flips come from: the H27UCG8T2ATR NAND chip defines a specific order for page programmation in a block (Chapter 6)
<bbrezillon> => you have to program all the pages of the 1st group before starting programming pages of the 2nd group
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<oliv3r> bbrezillon: i'm glad you are fighting these headaches
<bbrezillon> these are interesting web pages describing issues with MLC NAND flashes:
<bbrezillon> "UBIFS and MLC NAND flash"
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: i read that allready; many problems with mlc flash
<oliv3r> it's basically horrible crap, with ecc and stuff ontop to fix errors
<bbrezillon> oliv3r: at least the driver should work with SLC falshes
<oliv3r> :p
<bbrezillon> (it works with MLC too, but linux FS are not ready to handle these kind of requirements)
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: isn't this information supplied by one of those ONILF levels?
<bbrezillon> I don't know
<bbrezillon> at least we know this is an MLC flash
<oliv3r> yeah
<bbrezillon> BTW the H27UCG8T2ATR does not support ONFI
<oliv3r> heavy lifting head of you; I'll gladly cheer you own though
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: yeah, i read :)
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: but lets assume it would; does the ONFI have a flag/parameter that lists this special requirement as yo posted above
<oliv3r> 'specifc order for page progammation
<bbrezillon> I'll check
<bbrezillon> anyway, we can still specify these kind of requirements in DT
<oliv3r> of course
<bbrezillon> (because this is an HW description)
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<oliv3r> it is
<oliv3r> well all of ONFI is isn't it?
<oliv3r> so one could always extend/improve that :)
<oliv3r> i'm thinking OEM ease of use now
<oliv3r> then again; the oem using some random flash chip, should be able to write the DT for this flash
<oliv3r> i wonder who handles that now, allwinner hacking libnand, or the oem's
<bbrezillon> yes ONFI parameters are discoverable, but we can use the same naming convention for non ONFI flashes that need these descriptions in DT
<bbrezillon> when you're talking about libnand, you're talking about code sitting in drivers/block/nand_sunxi, right ?
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> aren't flash parameters hardcoded there?
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<bbrezillon> a lot are harcoded, which makes me think, this drivers might be unusable with some boards which do not choose the same kind of NAND chips
<oliv3r> libnand is a horrible pile of shit
<bbrezillon> I'll try to find a way to support MLC flashes in linux (even if we loose half of the NAND chip space ;))
<oliv3r> hence, a lot of people are excited of your work
<bbrezillon> what's disturbing is the fact that all paired pages handling are subject to patents
<bbrezillon> (see the ppt document I referenced earlier)
<bbrezillon> (or at least were: this documents was written in 2008)
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<bbrezillon> oliv3r: all of these MLC things should not be handled by the NAND controller driver, but the driver (or the mtd dev) should expose these constraints for the
<bbrezillon> upper layers (FS or WL system) to handle it correctly
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: i think i read that ubi does support MLC; but it's not 'perfect' yet
<oliv3r> big todo
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: but my technical knowledge is to short to judgeas to what/why
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: but looks like you took on a great job here ;)
<oliv3r> bbrezillon: but due express your conernc on the linux-mtd ML and see what they say?
<bbrezillon> sure, I will
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<pacopad> Hi Guys ,i'm using x11vncserver on my cb2 but some data are not transmitted , i got the impression that data written to /dev/disp are not transmitted to my vnc client
<pacopad> is there a similar soft that could transmit the all screen ?
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<hramrach> I found the error with my SD card
<hramrach> when you tell sfdisk to start the first partition at first megabyte it makes it start at first sector /o\
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<Seppoz> hi, im trying to set UART 6 and 7 on PI pins, can somebody check if the fex settings are correct as we cant receive any data: http://pastebin.com/2SXsxhAX
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<oliv3r> hi
<Turl> howdy oliv3r
<Seppoz> hi oliv3r
<hramrach> lo
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<Seppoz> oliv3r did you use art 6+ before?
<Turl> hramrach: lol
<hramrach> my tablet refuses to boot when I have SD card with Linux in it
<hramrach> I have no idea what it is doing since I have no uart
<oliv3r> Seppoz: never; 1 is the most :)
<Seppoz> crap
<oliv3r> without uart; it's extremly hard to debug
<Seppoz> seems like noone have lol
<hramrach> but it does lock up so I guess it's trying to boot from the card
<oliv3r> hramrach: most usual cause; bootloader ont he wrong spot
<oliv3r> Seppoz: some ont he olimex forums have
<Turl> Seppoz: what's the issue?
<hramrach> that was first problem - would not boot at all because sfdisk cannot count in megabytes and I had no bootloader
<hramrach> so booted from flash
<oliv3r> well if it hangs, atleast the bootloader should work
<oliv3r> since if it fails; it won't go there
<hramrach> but u-boot-with-sps or what is it cannot have bootloader in wrong spot and still lock up
<Seppoz> oliv3r: im using them on PI port
<Seppoz> and last time i set it it function 4 board started burning so...
<Seppoz> dont want to make tis mistake again
<hramrach> ok, I guess I need a hi-res photo of the board
<oliv3r> Seppoz: double check spi0 mux's so they don't clash
<hramrach> and maybe those clips would help
<hramrach> no need to search for UART if you can just put clips on the CPU, yay
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<oliv3r> hehe yeah you could put clips on cpu
<oliv3r> but make some pics so we can find uart
<oliv3r> is it a13 chip
<hramrach> yes, it is
<oliv3r> did you try hansg's fedora image?
<hramrach> no testpoints near cpu
<hramrach> no. should it work with different meminfo output?
<oliv3r> hramrach: should work fine
<oliv3r> hramrach: pick the a13_mid
<hramrach> it says I have 16bit ram and the a13 mid has 8bit
<oliv3r> it's very likly to work
<oliv3r> both are probably wrong
<oliv3r> and it doesn't matter much we suspect
<oliv3r> but you can alwyas pick one that's close
<oliv3r> lowest setting should always work
<hramrach> it may lower available ram but w/e
<oliv3r> yeah but as longa s you can boot it; that's fine
<oliv3r> then you can play witht he ram settings
<hramrach> I can boot android ;-)
<oliv3r> Seppoz: you are almo nito right?
<oliv3r> hramrach: i ment if you can boot hansg's fedora; you can start tinkering more easily
<oliv3r> Seppoz: your mux is off; uart7 is also on mux 3
<hramrach> yes, would be nice
<hramrach> but cannot even download it
<oliv3r> why not?
<oliv3r> need a mirror?
<hramrach> cannot connect to the server
<oliv3r> neither can I :)
<hramrach> is there a mirror?
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<oliv3r> hramrach: i think so
<hramrach> oliv3r: the fex has uart disabled
<hramrach> I have it up on github
<oliv3r> but you are using sd boot; so you can't do uart anyway
<hramrach> better, thanks
<hramrach> there should be uart other than the one on SD, right?
<oliv3r> pins 152 and 151 are the normal debugging uart0
<hramrach> also the mid has uart index 2 in u-boot
<hramrach> would that be a problem with mmc boot?
<oliv3r> try to see where they go; on this tablet, they go into a via within 1 mm; and then two test points on the other side
<hramrach> I copied that config
<hramrach> did not look the other side of the pcb
<hramrach> will see if I can remove it easily
<oliv3r> hramrach: what are you trying to do anyway? :)
<hramrach> boot sane system on the hardware?
<oliv3r> ok; makes sense :p
<hramrach> what number of pins do I need for a13? ;-)
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<hramrach> well, 4pin clip would suffice for uart :)
<oliv3r> for debug uart?
<oliv3r> 151 and 152
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<hramrach> and you need 4 pin so you can get teh two superfluous pins on the other side
<hramrach> hmmm, 20min to download
<oliv3r> 4 pins? well you need gnd
<oliv3r> but don't see what the 4th pin would be for?
<doneill> i'm disappointed. i went to the trouble of building a full Debian root for my a10 netbooks with drivers, standard dev tools/office/media/flash/browser whatever, people still just want android on there.
<hramrach> because android comes with many shiny half-broken apps
<doneill> rootfs*
<doneill> i know but with a touchpad and keyboard and no touchscreen it's rubbish
<doneill> also doing office work on it is pointless
<hramrach> but still shiny ;-)
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<doneill> yeah, debian looks nice too
<doneill> maybe with e18 it'll up the ante. i shouldn't care, it costs the same to them and just makes work for me, but it's a labour of love. :)
<hramrach> what are a10 netbooks for, anyway?
<hramrach> what size is it? probably not very good keyboard, right?
<doneill> it's not bad, i code on it without issues
<oliv3r> doneill: should work reasonably well
<oliv3r> make it dualboot
<hramrach> dualboot means another media
<doneill> i do, i have debian on 8/16/32g class 10 SD cards
<oliv3r> but if they are doing OFFICE work; fuck android
<oliv3r> you could install android on the NAND, and the 'work' enviroment on SD
<doneill> well there's the issue: android = consumer, desktop linux = producer. my customers are apparently exclusively the former. :(
<hramrach> actually rdesktop rules for office work
<hramrach> and whatever you can run it one
<oliv3r> but you said they do office work
<doneill> but i don't care, i like my a10 debian netbook
<Wizzup> whcone is that, doneill ?
<oliv3r> doneill: heck yeah
<hramrach> people are 90%+ consumer
<doneill> on the nand, like he said fuck android :)
<Wizzup> which one*
<oliv3r> emplloyee's are producers
<doneill> Wizzup: the H6
<doneill> 1GB ram model
<Wizzup> Will googling for H6 be enough? :)
* Wizzup tries
<doneill> yep, there's a writeup on it by cnx software
<Wizzup> ah
* Wizzup uses arm chromebook
<hramrach> even many producers can use android. From what I heard there are passable media apps for it
<hramrach> Wizzup: is there any decent framebuffer driver in mainline or anywhere?
<doneill> mehhhhh... i've tried, but my nexus4 works best as a tool.
<Wizzup> There is fbturbo
<Wizzup> previously known as sunxifb
<hramrach> that's X
<Wizzup> hdmi out is a no-go
<Wizzup> everything else kind of works :)
<hramrach> but on the kernel side?
<Wizzup> well, yes, the framebuffer just works?
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<Wizzup> I don't get the question I fear
<hramrach> on chrome kernel dhmi works if you plug it in before power on
<Wizzup> yes, chrome kernel
<Wizzup> hm? well, no
<doneill> that isn't oss yet?
<Wizzup> you can't change the res and make it anything but clone
<Wizzup> doneill: anyway.
<Wizzup> battery life is about 12 hours
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<Wizzup> with wifi and everything
<Wizzup> but I wish it was allwinner :)
<doneill> i was debating getting a chromebook but the price... for a toy.. i dunno.
<Wizzup> it's a work machine for me
<doneill> the h6 can pinch out ~5 hours with wifi on, backlight on low, fantasy pm
<hramrach> you need special support from u-boot or is the kernel at least able to map the vram?
<Wizzup> hramrach: I think it just works using the chrome kernel sources
<doneill> Wizzup you have the samsung i assume?
<Wizzup> Yes
<Wizzup> not the hp one
<doneill> still tempting
<doneill> runs desktop linux passably?
<Wizzup> I use awesome
<Wizzup> And it works decent enougn
<Wizzup> I purposely avoided any mali binary crap though
<Wizzup> So no 3d for me
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<Wizzup> and no video scaling in hw
<Wizzup> but yeah :)
<doneill> using lima?
<Wizzup> None atm
<doneill> or just software fb?
<doneill> ahh.
<Wizzup> (do not need 3d for work)
<doneill> yeah, but even 2d transforms on the cpu bite into power a bit
<doneill> but if you get 12 hours out of it who cares :)
<Wizzup> it's better than on chromeos, even
<Wizzup> :p
<doneill> nice looking too, shiny.
<Wizzup> the keyboard is a total brainfart though
<Wizzup> caps lock aka "search key" is now my "super"
<Wizzup> apart from that -- yay
<doneill> good god it's a mac
<doneill> yeah i see what you mean about the kb
<doneill> are your nav keys mapped to F1-F12?
<doneill> or... F10+power, i guess
<Wizzup> F1-F10
<Wizzup> yep
<hramrach> Wizzup: AW does not have a chip powerful enough for half-decent notebook
<hramrach> and mainline just works also or needs u-boot hacks?
<hramrach> I guess I should try
<hramrach> the wifi support on chrome kernel sucks
<hramrach> it works .. half of the time
<doneill> lies and slander!
<Wizzup> It's more powerful than my netbook, mripard_ :P
<hramrach> oliv3r: I suspect these are not wide enough for a typical flash chip, are they? http://www.pomonaelectronics.com/images/large/6109.jpg
<hramrach> it looks like the clip is open almost to the max on the humble ram chip
<Wizzup> hramrach: No, the wifi is awesome using the chromebook kernel...
<Wizzup> hramrach: Mainline is still something I am working on
<hramrach> Wizzup: does not work for me
<Wizzup> did not work for me, yet.
<Wizzup> hramrach: wifi works very awesome for me
<Wizzup> but mainline is atm a no-go, until I soldered the serial to it
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<hramrach> hmm, the H6 is really cheap notebook but could do the job if portability is the concern
<hramrach> eg. for portable console to set up devices in their installed location
<doneill> nah, i run qt creator on mine, build large projects, compile kernels, it's fast.
<doneill> not AMD A10 fast, but faster than you might think.
<hramrach> I have an a10 board. I know how fast they are
<doneill> everybody here probably has an a10 board
<doneill> but yeah, use case is narrower than a full notebook.
<hramrach> I compiled kernel on it. It can be done. but it's definitely not fast. slow cpu. low ram. slow io
<doneill> i compiled qt 5.2 on the hardware, i think it took like 6 hours. to me, on an ARM, that's pretty fast, but yeah there's certainly faster.
<hramrach> even on arm
<doneill> BCM ARM7s take ~2 days
<hramrach> but e18 is enlightenment?
<doneill> yep
<Wizzup> I run gentoo on all my arm machines
<Wizzup> tell me about fast ;)
<Wizzup> although I compile most packages on a quad core arm device, so its generally quite fast
<doneill> except initial installation, heh.
<Wizzup> that is just unpack stage3 tarball :)
<Wizzup> easy does it
<doneill> hehe stage3 is cheating a little
<doneill> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/ideapad/a-series/a10/#features this looks nice, but $400USD for an RK3188 chip? I dunno.
<doneill> sorry, off topic, you got me looking at arm netbooks now though.
<Wizzup> doneill: realistically, everyone uses stage 3 :)
<doneill> i believe that
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<oliv3r> when i started using gentoo; i built everything from stage1!
<oliv3r> now get off my lawn!
<WarheadsSE> oliv3r: when I started using Corel, they installed from floppies. Now Get off MY lawn!
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<oliv3r> pff, i was booting my XT from 3"5 floppies
<oliv3r> we had no harddrives
<oliv3r> punk!
<oliv3r> (i'll keep the C64 up my sleeve ;)
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<ssvb> doneill: this H6 looks very nice, I did not know that any sunxi netbooks existed with higher than 800x480 screen resolution
<oliv3r> and only 140E
<oliv3r> would hae been nice if it DID have a TS
<ssvb> yes, and a better screen resolution, and a dual-core processor...
<oliv3r> ssvb: there's 10" tablets with that resolution
<oliv3r> ssvb: yeah , cb3 in a netbook config :p
<ssvb> I need a keyboard, otherwise it can't run a "desktop" system nicely
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> cb3 in netbook factor
<ssvb> oliv3r: you mentioned 140E, are they selling it somewhere in the EU?
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<oliv3r> aliexpress :p
<oliv3r> i think rm said he could get it for 115 USD
<oliv3r> but that all was in dec. 2012
* ssvb does not like customs formalities :(
<Turl> what about a normal tab with one of those kbrd cases?
<oliv3r> pretty much the same anyway
<Turl> it doesn't have a touchpad, that's the only drawback
<oliv3r> that netbook een looks like a tablet
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<cubear> Does Allwinner a80 octacore chip have a sata port?
<cubear> at least there doesn't seem to be one on the optimus board
<oliv3r> cubear: no ant it's powerVR
<oliv3r> cubear: it's A31 with a 4:4 instead of 4
<doneill> an a31 netbook would be sweet. although one could grab a tablet and connect usb peripherals, i have some A20 tablets with full host usb, so they're probably out there.
<oliv3r> doneill: and how will you get proper graphics on a31 netbook :)
<doneill> (by peripherals i mean kb/mouse, but that's clumsy)
<oliv3r> doneill: a31 = powervr; forget linux drivers
<doneill> well that's one challenge of many
<cubear> I told you already I don't care about the video hardware, I want the CPU power har har har
<ssvb> doneill: what kind of applications and desktop environment are you running on your netbook?
<doneill> lxde. seamonkey, libreoffice, gnash, vlc, synaptic, a couple other small apps i think
<doneill> my personal h6 runs qt creator mostly
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<doneill> i use it for hacking code a bunch.
<oliv3r> vote with your wallet I say!
<ssvb> doneill: ok, nice stuff there :)
<cubear> well no sata = no interest
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<ssvb> doneill: if you notice that 2d graphics is handled a bit slow for some use cases, then 'perf record' / 'perf top' might help to check if something is not hitting the neon code paths
<ssvb> doneill: you mentioned the 2d transforms earlier
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<oliv3r> i lost my linux-mojo
<oliv3r> i need help :(
<oliv3r> 1 sdd; 3 partitions, sda1, sda2, sda3. on sda1 i have hansg's fedora rootfs; on sda2 the alip one, and on sda3 i did a deboostrap to ubuntu saucy
<oliv3r> i did setup fstab in 2 and 3
<oliv3r> i got the fedora kernel; and a stage/sunxi-3.4 kernel, both boot sda1 fine. sda1 was made with the intention of not having an initramfs
<oliv3r> sda2 and 3 however don't boot. the kernel loads just fine, but that's it
<oliv3r> root gets mounted
<oliv3r> <6>EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
<oliv3r> <6>VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 8:2.
<oliv3r> so that's good
<oliv3r> all 3 use systemd, with /usr/sbin/init being systemd, so init shoul be called properly, the only difference in booting is i change root=/dev/sda1 to whatever
<oliv3r> any ideas? i'm fresh out
<oliv3r> i'm guessing it's something related to initramfs; but the kernel should just boot /usr/bin/init, and not care if its ramfs or not
<doneill> using uuids in fstab?
<oliv3r> yep
<oliv3r> the correct ones at that
<oliv3r> but so is my fedora image
<oliv3r> and still, it should do the first boot bits until it runs into mounting fstab
<oliv3r> but there's no error, no nothing; it just stops booting
<WarheadsSE> oliv3r: 3.5"? dude, those were expensive when I started with my tandy, dual 5.25 all the way.
<oliv3r> WarheadsSE: i had a tape deck with my c64
<oliv3r> WarheadsSE: btw, i did mean 5.25" obviously, major typo on my end :( XT's didn't even have 3.5"s afaik
<oliv3r> WarheadsSE: so, get off the lawn!
<WarheadsSE> lol
<WarheadsSE> these young punks dont get it
<doneill> i had a laser xt with a 3.5"
<doneill> 4mb hd too
<doneill> yet i won't buy a phone with less than 2GB ram today :)
<oliv3r> what phone do you have
<oliv3r> will it run replicant? :p
<oliv3r> my phone has 576 mb atm :p
<oliv3r> so
<oliv3r> nobody has any intimate linux knowledge that can fix this :(
<doneill> still have the nexus 4, haven't worked up the excitement to spring for the 5.
<oliv3r> doneill: my next phone will be galaxy note 2; should run replicant in a few months
<ssvb> libv: right, I really should have a look at this dri2 buffers handling issue in fbturbo tomorrow
<oliv3r> ssvb: yeah it'll be important :p
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<doneill> samsungs have nice specs but they have a tendency to load junk on it. 'value add' my ass. sure, could load replicant on i suppose, i put cyanogenmod on an htc one v but it still sucked.
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<oliv3r> doneill: you keep the default OS on it?
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<oliv3r> i would never run stock rom; too much spying crap in it
<Turl> anyone good reading schematics?
<Turl> I want to know where is pin 1 of gpio2 on my olinuxino :)
<oliv3r> i'll read that
<oliv3r> you backread my rant :p
<oliv3r> erm, what do you define as gpio2?
<oliv3r> pa01?
<oliv3r> otherwise, on GPIO-2, pin1 is +5V
<oliv3r> but you asked where, and not what
<ccaione> /quit
<ccaione> argh, sorry
<oliv3r> don't go :(
<ccaione> sleepy :(
<ccaione> my brain is not working anymore
<oliv3r> :p
<oliv3r> nn
<ccaione> c ya tomorrow
<Turl> cya ccaione
<Turl> oliv3r: yeah but physically, where is it? :p on the board outer side or on the inner one?
<oliv3r> Ohh
<oliv3r> erm
<oliv3r> you can't see from the schematic
<oliv3r> :p
<Turl> fuu :(
<oliv3r> but usally it's where the 'red-wire' goes
<oliv3r> if you hold the 'eye' towards you, it's the left one
<oliv3r> left 'near'
<Turl> ahh ide cables right? .p
<Turl> it's been ages since I saw one
<oliv3r> get of my lawn!
<oliv3r> i got one plugged in my A20 olinuxino
<oliv3r> and there, gpio-2 pin 1 is hugging uext2
<oliv3r> whereas on the LCD it is hugging the vga port/gpio-4
<Turl> ok, so I wired all the things opposite :)
<oliv3r> :p
<oliv3r> you wanted to wire 5V +?
<oliv3r> gpio-2 is piggyabacking flash
<oliv3r> cool
<Turl> there
<Turl> gpio2 is the bottom left connector
<oliv3r> looks a lot like a20
<oliv3r> so what i said holds
<Turl> so pin 1 is the top right pin on that connector right?
<oliv3r> on gpio-2; pin 1 hux gpio-1 i think that is
<oliv3r> and lcd-con pin 1 hugs the power barrel
<oliv3r> if i look at that image, ti's top right
<oliv3r> but the connector is technically upside down
<Turl> ok
<oliv3r> if you look at lcd_co; it's bottom left
<Turl> so I wired all the thing incorrectly yay :)
<oliv3r> what where you trying to wire
<Turl> dupont cables to a breadboard
<oliv3r> what are you trying to ' control'
<Turl> oliv3r: nothing yet :p just getting it wired
<Turl> oliv3r: the pinNN numbers there correspond 1:1 to gpio commands on uboot right?
<oliv3r> Turl: not sure; but sounds very plausible
<oliv3r> remember though, gpio-2 pin 1 is +5V
<oliv3r> if you connect a resistor + a led to +5V and to a gpio
<oliv3r> you should make it toggleable
<oliv3r> if the gpio is a sinc
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<oliv3r> if its a source, connect the led to GND
<Turl> ok, I wired it alright :)
<Turl> they're not 1:1, you need to go to the soc pin list, find the PNXX notation and then convert that to int
<Turl> oliv3r: do you need the extra resistors? I thought the gpio lines had some already
<oliv3r> i guess you could rely soley on that :p
<oliv3r> but technically; you always have to calculate the resistor required for a led
<oliv3r> but i don't think the gpio's can source enough current anyway to burn it out
<oliv3r> so yeah, your safe basically;it's just really bad practise :p
<Turl> my final objective is to get a relay card working with the olinuxino dictating what to do
<Turl> then build a smart power strip :)
<oliv3r> realistically, if you drive anything (other then a led); you'll drive a transistor, which in turn drives the relay
<oliv3r> Turl: :p i got a smart powerstrip, it was < 10 euro's
<oliv3r> the 4 other ports go on depending on the load of the first one
<Turl> oliv3r: meh but it doesn't talk tcp/ip :)
<oliv3r> lol
<Turl> and can't control from PC :p
<oliv3r> well it's a fun and good learning project of course
<Turl> besides they probably have weird looking connectors :)
<oliv3r> but if you wanna go really hardcore; you'd use an avr with an enj16something spi ethernet :)
<oliv3r> i have my htpc downstairs hooked up to it
<oliv3r> if i power on the PC (via IR remote or wol)
<oliv3r> the powerstrip goes on; and the tv + amplifier power on
<Turl> I have a spare arduino I can use too :p
<Turl> but with that it'd be serial over usb only :p
<oliv3r> 3.65 USD gives you SPI ethernet :)
<oliv3r> there's avr drivers
<oliv3r> so if you want a really low power solution ;)
<Turl> Tsvetan2 sells those modules
<oliv3r> though this will be much easier obviously and faster done; better to prototype
<Turl> oliv3r: also if I do it with the arduino I'd plug it to the mele and get free ethernet :p