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<idella4> this a another uboot query, here or elsewhere?
<Turl> idella4: here for all sunxi linux and uboot questions
<idella4> well I have a uEnv.txt that works and a boot.xen written by someone listed here afaik which doesn't
<idella4> I need the 2 melded
<idella4> to begin with
<idella4> No FDT memory address configured. Please configure the FDT address via "fdt addr <address>" command.
<idella4> really confuses
<idella4> the boot.xen / boot.scr has setenv fdt_addr 0x49000000
<idella4> so is it fdt_addr <address> OR fdt addr <address>
<idella4> ???
<idella4> yet it aborts immediately with No FDT memory address configured.
<idella4> I guess I'll ending up pasting the whole boot.xen but it's from the xen wiki anyaways
<Turl> idella4: wtf is boot.xen? :p
<idella4> boot.cnd bu another name
<idella4> rather boot.cmd bu another name
<Turl> can you paste it?
<idella4> it's just a name, mkimage turns it into boot.scr anyway
<idella4> I can re-name it to boot.cmd but it wom't help
<idella4> afaik it has worked, but it is after all awip
<Turl> idella4: line 8 seems to have a typo
<Turl> it should be fdt_addr and not fdt addr
<idella4> ok well that's what triggered this
<idella4> it was fdt_addr when I made the boot.scr
<idella4> I only changed it a moment ago from
<idella4> No FDT memory address configured. Please configure the FDT address via "fdt addr <address>" command.
<Turl> you have that command on line 18
<idella4> boot.scr has setenv fdt_addr 0x49000000
<idella4> aha
<idella4> so that should be fdt_addr ${fdt_addr} 0x40000
<idella4> ??
<Turl> idella4: no
<Turl> idella4: get what you pasted and change line 8 to say fdt_addr instead of with a space
<Turl> that should work
<idella4> that's what I ran in the first place
<Turl> and what's the problem when you use that?
<idella4> it aborts immediately with No FDT memory address configured.
<idella4> The line 8 I should have left as it was before I pasted
<Turl> maybe they changed the line 18 command syntax
<Turl> try running it on uboot shell
<idella4> itoh I just found 1 thing I forgot I changed
<idella4> I'll have to revert that and re-run
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<Turl> good night
<idella4> g'night
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<code-ninja> hi all. I'm working on a A20 processor on an Inet70hc tablet. Fedora and many other images boit correctly but the touch doesnt work. :/
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<code-ninja> this is the tablet
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<code-ninja> hi all. I'm working on a A20 processor on an Inet70hc tablet. Fedora and many other images boit correctly but the touch doesnt work. :/
<code-ninja> this is the tablet
<code-ninja> crap... it resend everything :/
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<discopig> i followed http://linux-sunxi.org/Binary_drivers to get hardware acceleration working on a minimal debian, but when i try to run es2gears to test i get this error: libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open lima (search paths /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
<discopig> what could be causing it?
<discopig> i tried the workarounds on the wiki
<discopig> but this is just a bare debian with X and the required packages for mali acceleration
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<plaes> Earlier today, Broadcom announced the release of full documentation for the VideoCore IV graphics core, and a complete source release of the graphics stack under a 3-clause BSD license. The
<plaes> at least they now admit that "our existing open-source graphics drivers are a thin shim running on the ARM11" :)
<bjoernb> discopig: did you try to run the test?
<discopig> the test works ok, but on my a10 board es2gears also runs ok
<bjoernb> i was just asking, because for me the test does not run ok and i get this error: http://dpaste.com/hold/1658155/
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<code-ninja> anyone? my internet wen out... i asked a question before :\
<bjoernb> code-ninja: nobody answered. think about running your chat client in tmux/screen on a server that is always on.
<mnemoc> moin
<code-ninja> hmm. I'll ask again... its an A20 tablet and Fedora xfce and debian and other images boot but touch is not working. neither does the OTG cable. Any help?
<code-ninja> moin
<code-ninja> the good thng is i'm using irc via my android phone :D
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<DJJeff> user and pass for ftp 221.4.213.95 to download LiveSuit ?
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<DJJeff> here is my build.prop what device is this
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<DJJeff> also is it possible to unbrick this with LiveSuit?
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<oliv3r> DJJeff: you hardly have a brick
<oliv3r> you can alwyas boot from uSD
<DJJeff> I have a SDcard
<DJJeff> I see this
<DJJeff> my tablet is same
<DJJeff> Q88?
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<nove> rds: the only free developers here, are the ones which free = freedom
<nove> i know very little about that board, but if the comments in the announce are true
<nove> the vpu or how to use the vpu are still closed
<nove> more over still looks like that a blob will be still need to boot the cpu
hurtigbuffer is now known as jelly-home
<libv> rds has left
<libv> he was just here to do some shouting it seems
<nove> i know, this is only to leave a answer in the logs
<nove> documentation about the vpu can not be release because of the license enforced by patents
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<libv> nove: i got mailed by eben with the good news, and have in the meantime had a chat with the VC4 Reing guys, i will be blogging about this release later today
<libv> it is not enough to give rpi a free bootloader yet, but it is rather complete gpu documentation and a driver/sample code for another SoC
<libv> and there is some info in this sample code which massively helps the VC4 REing guys
<nove> libv: ok, i will read it
<libv> the bounty is counterproductive though, at least towards creating a well built and long term supported 3d driver
<bjoernb> libv: any news on the dma_fence side? you were asking for help on this at fosdem. did anybody offer help so far?
<libv> bjoernb: mlankhorst pushed another version out
<nove> yes, i agree, is a race to the lower quality that qualifies
<DJJeff> I have phoenixcard how can I flash a recovery image for my A13 tablet
<bjoernb> nove: a race is a competition. in competitions there is not so much collobaration.
<DJJeff> like TWRP or Clockworkmod Recovery
<DJJeff> trying this was a fail
<DJJeff> setting it to Startup !
<DJJeff> it almost works
<nove> rds: look at cisco with the release of a binary only h264 codec for mozilla to use in webrtc. Is that the best that a h264 patent holder(cisco) can do to preserve h264 importance in the web? What can Allwinner do?
<ssvb_> libv: my first impression was that this raspberry pi drivers challenge was something like "compile the sources, tweak them to grant access to the hardware registers and route the interrupts, and then boom - everything magically works" :)
<ssvb_> libv: I guess your blog should provide a better overview of the current situation
<nove> rds: Even in an alternative reality, if Allwinner would release the source code, and a full well writing documentation, we would be still in the same point of having to write a driver that could be mainlined
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<specing> atleast you wouldn't have to figure everything out
<ssvb_> libv: if the bounty is expected to be claimed in a matter of a few days or weeks, then it is not counterproductive
<ssvb_> libv: even if nobody claims the reward really soon, this challenge can be terminated at any time according to their rules
<nove> specing: it takes time, but finding the function of a register is actually very fun
<DJJeff> *beep* *beep* *boop *boop* *beep*
<nove> Personally, i only want from Allwinner to continue to get loots of $ with Android, to keep giving us cheap hardware. And not because a allloser.
<nove> And not becoming a allloser.
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<nove> And to keep with good relation with this community, likes is happing. Look what oliv3r is said from the emails he is getting from Allwinner.
<nove> Is going very well, in the right path.
<nove> Optimus board creation, i think is direct result of the existence of this community.
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<nove> And why BBB(what is it name), has that $45 price.
<libv> nove: more of the existence of the cubieboard and followers i guess
<libv> and yes, it can be argued that the cubieboard came into existence as a result of this community
<libv> but all can trace things back to rpi
<libv> there were things like the pandaboard before
<libv> but the rpi made arm development boards cheap and popular
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<bjoernb> i have a sheevaplug. but this hardware is old and the nand flash was shit plus my sd-card-reader did not work. when sheevaplug came out i expected many to follow, but there was a gap until rpi.
<nove> yes that is right, but with that low cpu its had limits in what it changed
* Wizzup uses his sheevaplug still
<Wizzup> after 5 years :)
<nove> So is working, there is already results showing up, and this community in the frontline of the wave of change.
<nove> (And ends, what i have to said.)
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<nazcafan> yeah, finally, booted a debian distro on my sdcard following the wiki
<nazcafan> there are some errors though, I think I'll spend some time adding some clarifications
<bertrik> Nazcafan: next, compile and run your own kernel :)
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<nikrou> Hi all
<nikrou> who want my a13 ?
<nazcafan> bertrik, you mean from mainline?
<nikrou> I give it
<nikrou> I'm from Paris
<nazcafan> why I are you giving it away, nikrou?
<nikrou> Because I spend too much time on it
<bertrik> Nazcafan: from the sunxi-3.4 branch for example, that's how far I've gotten so far
<nikrou> I try to build cyanogen mod for it but didn't succeed
<nazcafan> well, that's basically what I did, bertrik
<nikrou> I finally decide to put the old system and I type my command to quickly and instead of dd if=boot.img of=/dev/nandc I write it without the final c and I had no more partitions !!!!!
<nikrou> Just a big /dev/nand
<nazcafan> can't you just start again from scratch?
<nikrou> don't know how to do it
<nikrou> but nand-part give me errors
<nikrou> "all partitions are bad"
<nikrou> The fourth partitions ! :-(
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<nazcafan> I have to go, maybe you can use the backup you made, that is mentioned at the begin of this wiki page
<nazcafan> take care, everyone, bye
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<libv> nikrou: so nand-part refuses to work now?
<libv> nikrou: tsvetan got me an a13 olinuxino, again, i can give it a go (much) later today and see what needs to be fixed
<nikrou> yes libv
<nikrou> I must give you a picture of my back !
<nikrou> :-)
<nikrou> I think I make mess in partitions
<nikrou> I do dd if=a_save_blocked.img of=/dev/nand
<nikrou> I forgot the letter (a,b,c,d,e,f or g) at the end
<nikrou> Do you remember my story ?
<libv> not your back
<libv> the back of your android tablet.
<nikrou> I know ! :-)
<libv> yes, i read the above, and see what you messed up
<libv> but that shouldn't stop nand-part from failing
<nikrou> :-(
<libv> err, working
<nikrou> check partition table copy 0: mbr: version 0x00000000, magic
<nikrou> magic is not softw311
<nikrou> the same for copy 1, 2 and 3
<nikrou> and at the end "all partition tables are bad!"
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<libv> nikrou: actually, if i get you the partitioning table of my device, you might get things fixed
<libv> at least partially, but then, the bootloader area is not writable from the driver
<nikrou> ok
<nikrou> I tried with fdisk
<nikrou> but I'm not sure it's the right tool
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<libv> no, definitely not the right tool
<nikrou> :-)
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<nikrou> libv, I will have to go. Can you mail me if you found the partition table ? Thanks in advance
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<Turl> nikrou: you can always fix that with livesuit as well
<nikrou> Two problem with livesuit
<nikrou> I don't have an image
<nikrou> And I never succeed to put my device in fel mode under windows
<plaes> hum.. link to hansg Fedora 19 images is not working :S
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<Turl> plaes: why not fedora 20? http://fedorapeople.org/~lkundrak/a10-images/
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<plaes> does it work for A20 too?
<Turl> plaes: it has same compatibility as hans images I think
* plaes adds it to wiki
<wigyori> ccaione: for the axp driver, how far is that to get to work on a10/a13? i see you only added the dts part to the cubieboard
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<ccaione> wigyori: a10 is ready you need only to add it in the DTS. A13 no idea since I don't dave the hw
<ccaione> s/dave/have/
<ccaione> (a10 I mean board using a10 and axp202/axp209)
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<mnemoc> rehi
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* mrnuke is running Fedora 20 on his cubieboard
<plaes> would it make sense to delete this page: http://linux-sunxi.org/Fedora ?
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<plaes> the info on that page is outdated
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<mnemoc> update it ;-)
<plaes> I already updated Bootable_OS_images
<ccaione> mnemoc: long time no talk ;)
<mnemoc> ccaione: yeah :) ... awfully busy at work... at ~6000 unread sunxi related mails :(
<mrnuke> that's pretty old info, but still useful for lazy people
<mnemoc> s/at/and/
<mrnuke> what that page fails to say however, is that 'yum update kernel' will brick the device
<mnemoc> add it
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<plaes> ok
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<mnemoc> http://linux-sunxi.org/Foo should contain what a random Joe needs when searching for sunxi (or allwinner, or soc name) followed by Foo
<plaes> yeah, makes sense :)
<mnemoc> that's why we need a page per distro :p
<wigyori> ccaione: gotcha, i'll do some check then on my a13
<mnemoc> aaaarg... I keep reading cocaine
<wigyori> mnemoc: :)
<plaes> anything else ^^ :)
<ccaione> wigyori: just check if you have axp202 or axp209. from that adding support is easy
<mnemoc> plaes: :)
<mnemoc> plaes: maybe the Fedora images should be linked directly from the Fedora page instead of from the generic page about images
<plaes> mnemoc: probably
<mnemoc> one if for "I want to run Fedora" while the other is "What can I install/boot on my device?"
<mnemoc> so the second could simply list the pages on the Binary Images category
<plaes> ok, I'll do the same dance for Debian too
<wigyori> ccaione: this one does, it's an olimex a13-wifi
<ccaione> wigyori: cool. Then adding support should be easy, in theory you have just to modify the DT
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<mnemoc> plaes: thanks!
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<dannym> hmm, anyone got "undefined reference to `memcpy'" when compiling the kernel on A20?
<dannym> (I usually cross compile but now I copied it over and tried directly on the device...)
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<dannym> seems gcc 4.6.3-14 on ARM automatically compiles stuff like char digit_string[] = "0123456789ABCDEF"; into a memcpy O_o
<mnemoc> uh
<mnemoc> add a const
<dannym> const char *digit_string = "0123456789ABCDEF"; makes the error go away
<dannym> yeah :-)
<mnemoc> now send a patch to the ML :)
<nazcafan> that would make sense
<nazcafan> was the patch that adds support for ethernet on cubietruck merged in the linux-sunxi tree?
<mnemoc> the patch that downgrades the driver like 3 years? i don't think so
<nazcafan> this one?
<dannym> mnemoc: sure :-)
<dannym> arch/arm/plat-sunxi/core.c:287:4: warning: left shift count >= width of type [enabled by default]
<nazcafan> outch
<dannym> sigh... chip designers saving traces for the operand... I searched for it for days once. Good there's a warning now, I guess.
<mnemoc> Nazcafan: CONFIG_SUNXI_GMAC=m is in sun7i_defconfig in 3.4, yes
<nazcafan> mnemoc, when I ifconfig -a, I don't see the eth0 showing up
<nazcafan> mnemoc, I only see tun10 (IPIP tunnel) and lo
<nazcafan> do I need to modprobe the driver manually?
<nazcafan> dannym, shifting more than the width of the type is ub, right?
<mnemoc> Nazcafan: check in your /proc/config.gz
<mnemoc> dannym: what head/tag? in stage/sunxi-3.4's arch/arm/plat-sunxi/core.c:287 is writel((1 << SW_INT_IRQNO_ENMI), SW_INT_IRQ_PENDING_REG0);
<dannym> mnemoc, [remote "origin"]
<dannym> fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
<dannym> [branch "sunxi-3.4"]
<dannym> remote = origin
<dannym> merge = refs/heads/sunxi-3.4
<dannym> (just pulled again to be sure, no updates)
<mnemoc> odd
<dannym> arch/arm/plat-sunxi/core.c:287 is writel((1 << SW_INT_IRQNO_ENMI), SW_INT_IRQ_PENDING_REG0);
<dannym> ./arch/arm/plat-sunxi/include/plat/irqs.h:#define SW_INT_IRQNO_ENMI (0 + SW_INT_START)
<dannym> arch/arm/plat-sunxi/include/plat/irqs.h:#define SW_INT_START AW_IRQ_GIC_START
<dannym> arch/arm/plat-sunxi/include/plat/irqs.h:#define SW_INT_START 0
<dannym> ./arch/arm/plat-sunxi/include/plat/irqs.h:#define AW_IRQ_GIC_START 32 (in ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_SUN7I)
* mnemoc can't see the left shift :\
<dannym> (1 << SW_INT_IRQNO_ENMI)
<dannym> SW_INT_IRQNO_ENMI is sometimes 32 (depending on defines)
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<mnemoc> oh... << is left, true ... meh
<mnemoc> please report that to the ML
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<nazcafan> dannym, zcat /proc/config | grep GMAC yields CONFIG_SUNXI_GMAC=m among other lines
<nazcafan> also, when I lsmod, I get absolutely nothing
<nazcafan> (no wonder the boot is so fast)
<nazcafan> ok, so it seems I need to modprobe it manually
<nazcafan> which arguably ain't so great
<mnemoc> Nazcafan: /etc/rc.S is your friend :p
<mnemoc> you can also make it built-in
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<plaes> ugh.. that Fedora image doesn't fit on 4GB uSD
<dannym> Nazcafan, edit /etc/modules ?
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<nazcafan> mnemoc, what is /etc/rc.S?
<nazcafan> any manpage or howto?
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<mnemoc> Nazcafan: depending on your init system there is always a file where you can inject tasks that will be executed on boot
<nazcafan> I use debian
<nazcafan> jessie
<mnemoc> you should have a /etc/rc.local there
<mnemoc> also /etc/modules
<mnemoc> in the first you can add an explicit modprobe
<mnemoc> in the second one module name per line
<nazcafan> which method is more suitable/recommended?
<mnemoc> /etc/modules is more elegant
<nazcafan> is it that /etc/rc.local is designed for more general purpose stuff?
<nazcafan> the elegant /etc/modules worked
<nazcafan> and also, I noticed that the halt command was successful unlike on the fedora20 that I installed on the nand
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<plaes> mnemoc: any other Fedora images you know about?
<plaes> apparently the one you pointed to me requires >4gb sdcard
* mnemoc is a image-hater :)
<mnemoc> rootfs + hwpack <3
<plaes> hwpack?
<plaes> ahh
<mnemoc> a tarball with kernel and bootloader
<mnemoc> and blobs
<plaes> mhm
<plaes> ok, I actually have kernel + u-boot images already compiled
<plaes> but though that using images would be faster :)
<mnemoc> untaring a rootfs over a pre-formated partition is even faster :)
<plaes> indeed
<mnemoc> the size of the card doesn't matter, and you don't wear out the card writting emptiness
<plaes> ok, any rootfs links?
<plaes> http://linux-sunxi.org/Hwpack seems a bit outdated
<mnemoc> I don't think fedora doesn't provide rootfs tarballs :(
* plaes goes with debian then
<mnemoc> but you can mount the image and rsync the stuff
<plaes> I'm running out of free space :S
<mnemoc> images can be loop mounted without consuming any local scape
<mnemoc> space
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<mnemoc> considering you already downloaded it, just mount the partitions and transfer the files to the partitions of your card
<mnemoc> then inject kernel and bootloader
<Turl> hmm 3.4.43+
<Turl> maybe I should upgrade it
<Turl> mnemoc: what's the current version? :p
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<plaes> 3.4.79
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<DJJeff> how the fuck do I find a rom for this unknown device
<JohnDoe_71Rus> http://postimg.org/image/hz2zrtcnv/ interesting? Ainol novo7 legend
<DJJeff> I think they are All loosers because its dam near impossible to get custom roms working
<DJJeff> and its fucking impossible to find official rom anywhere on the internet
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<mnemoc> DJJeff: please stop insulting
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<mnemoc> Turl: .79 iirc, but need to jump to .82 or something like that
<Turl> $ uname -r
<Turl> 3.4.79+
<Turl> all good so far
<DJJeff> where is my rom
<DJJeff> wtf is softwinner t7q
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<Turl> DJJeff: you won't get much by demanding in here
<Turl> DJJeff: ask the seller
<DJJeff> is this a yeahpad?
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<Turl> DJJeff: I dunno, it just came up when looking for nuclear_x3
<DJJeff> where did you search nuclear_x3
<Turl> DJJeff: google
<mnemoc> *g*
<oliv3r> wens: i just removed the 'no kernel available' on the A23 page; we have the sdk for it since a few weeks actually
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<specing> DJJeff: don't worry, be happy, buy intel.
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<DJJeff> I have fucking 300 firefox tabs open looking for god damn firmware
<DJJeff> for this piece of shit chinese fucking tablet
<DJJeff> I see how they are made
<DJJeff> thats just fucking sick as fuck
<DJJeff> she pops in sdcard and it flashes
<libv> heh, i just gzipped up the nand mbr, the first meg
<libv> 1309bytes.
<libv> and i am sure that gzip isn't even the most efficient :)
<libv> oliv3r: true
<libv> oliv3r: but as you can see, this page hadn't been touched since early december
<dannym> libv, yeah, tried on the A20, then the gz has 1240 Bytes. With od -tx1 on the image you can see that most are zeroes (it leaves them off)
<libv> yeah, of course
<libv> it's perfect for rle
<libv> but still, such results are pretty rare in the real world :)
<dannym> libv, yeah. Embedded has no space to waste, so not much junk. Nice :)
<libv> err... well... they pretty much wasted most of a megabyte :)
<libv> nah, for getting people an image, you should always at least zip it to try to keep the needless waste down, even for a megabyte
<Turl> libv: xz -9 it :)
<libv> pfff :p
<DJJeff> chinese spend $3 on a 7" screen no wonder they do not want to offer support
<libv> haha
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<libv> the gzip itself is largely 0 as well :)
<libv> header, zeroes, 13 bytes :)
<libv> 1008 zeroes.
<libv> what a space waster!
<Turl> libv: do xz -9 on it, just for the lulz
<libv> 448
<libv> still wastage
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<Turl> 448 bytes?
<libv> yes
<Turl> that's like 100% better than gzip! :p
<libv> gzip has an identifiable block of zeroes.
<libv> and would use only 301 bytes without it
<libv> reason unknown
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<libv> but not worth looking into
<Turl> libv: compression is always worth it
<Turl> 3221225472 bytes (3,2 GB) copied, 3,21459 s, 1,0 GB/s
<Turl> that's zeroes :)
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<libv> :)
<nazcafan> is there any ongoing work for supporting the wifi chipset on the linux-sunxi kernel?
<nazcafan> sorry, the cubietruck, wifi chipset, I mean
<Turl> Nazcafan: I thought it was already supported
<ArdaXi> well, that warning on the XBMC page is nicely timed, just as I'm setting up XBMC on mine
<Turl> libv: du reports "1" as size :)
<nazcafan> Turl, what is the kernel module?
<DJJeff> ro.build.display.id=nuclear_x3-eng 4.0.4 x5-s1.5-1680-0329-v1.7-20130320
<Turl> Nazcafan: bcmdhd
<nazcafan> Turl, according to the linux-sunxi wiki "WiFi will not work with latest sunxi-3.4. On the Cubietech's kernel"
<Turl> wens: ^ does that still hold true?
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<Turl> Nazcafan: you can always grab the patch from the cubietech tree if it still doesn't work
<ArdaXi> is there anywhere specific I should look to find out what still needs to be done to help support XBMC?
<oliv3r> Re: F20; hans and lkundrak need to work together or something; having 2 Fedora images is wasted resource of dev. power imo
<Turl> oliv3r: hans doesn't have any f20 images afaik
<Turl> oliv3r: and lkundrak uses hans's scripts anyway :p
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<rds> hi folks, thanks for continuing with the debate about the open source contest for the rpi video sub-system
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<rds> i've tried to ignite the debate last night!
<libv> debate?
<libv> what debate?
<libv> rds: it seemed it was you just shouting out things.
<libv> rds: and that many of these things had little truck with reality
<nazcafan> is the sunxi community linked in any hardware aspect with the rpi video subsystem?
<nazcafan> (just curious)
<libv> Nazcafan: not in any way
<rds> maybe, but anytime people read about the issue, they might become one more to help!
<nazcafan> if anything, I am more interested in the mali driver status, and I am eagerly waiting for the video of libv's presentation at fosdem
<nazcafan> s/mali/lima/
<Turl> Nazcafan: those videos are already available I think
<libv> Nazcafan: have you read libv.livejournal.com ?
<libv> Nazcafan: nove caught the livestream
<nazcafan> I didn't see there was a new entry
<rds> i believe the marketing team from rpi started this up, because of the progress of the team here with the efforts to RE the VPU
<libv> rds: started what up?
<DJJeff> pcb for my tablet
<DJJeff> does not help worth shit tho
<libv> rds: keep it in channel.
<rds> I think this marketing step, was a very good thing, not only for the AW socs, but as the industry in general
<rds> the same way that the rpi was a "water divider" for embedded systems.
<libv> rds: you do not have to tell us that
<libv> rds: most of us are pretty aware of it
<rds> before rpi, Arduino used to rule. Rpi changed all that
<libv> rds: especially the guy who started the proper ARM GPU REing efforts.
<oliv3r> watching the 30 usd android video; if those are really sold for 30 USD retail; they are atleast using proper big batteries :)
<libv> rds: arduino is OSHW
<libv> rds: rpi never will be
<oliv3r> libv: ah; i just did a 'recent changes' look and noticed the a23 page :)
<rds> libv, you are visionary
<libv> recent changes?
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<libv> who touched it recently :p
<libv> ah, wens
<rds> you started something way before that someone would notice how important an open gpu/vpu sub-system would be!
<libv> ah, for docs
<rds> I think the next 12 months will be interesting!
<oliv3r> libv: btw, can i find a blog post from you allready? :)
<libv> oliv3r: nope, still not finished.
<libv> oliv3r: just pointed out that i referred to a copy of the mali talk video
<oliv3r> ah ok sorry :)
<oliv3r> libv: have you seen any of the other sunxi talks yet?
<rds> and the team for the Cedrus RE, just made another important step towards this revolution that will happen to the Soc's market place!
<oliv3r> i've only watched yours so far
<libv> rds: i doubt it. jem has to be moved aside before anything will change at arm
<libv> i am now reading through an anandtech lowdown on the rogue
<libv> and that doesn't make me hopeful for imgtec either
<rds> libv: never underestimate the power of open source
<libv> even though imgtec is under a lot of pressure, and its graphics chips are not helping its cpu division
<rds> and soon enough, a truly open source VPU will be a reality
<libv> rds: you do know that i am the one who rid display drivers from the insane bios dependencies back in mid 2000?
<rds> and companies with smart marketing will start ahead, and that is what I think Broadcom is doing.
<libv> rds: and do you know that i was the crowbar that forced ATI open (as far as AMD was able to support it at least)
<libv> there is no power in open source
<libv> there's just more crapthrowing between different companies as it's not marketing departments dealing with this
<rds> libv, no I don't know that. What I know reading this board, is that here there are one of the best team that I've seen in open source projects.
<libv> ...
<rds> you may not notice, but this move by Broadcom is a market move due to what you are doing here!
<libv> allwinners are the most open chips around, still
<libv> and we actually have oshw out there
<libv> what we lack is the intense vendor support that rpi has
<rds> i am not complaining that AW is not open. They are
<libv> but allwinner cannot deliver on many of its blocks as it is not theirs to open
<rds> but, the could become the real winner on this, if their marketing team had a bit of a vision
<libv> but they are gradually warming to us
<oliv3r> they are that
<oliv3r> aw is atleast talking to us
<oliv3r> sending us stuff
<libv> oliv3r: 2ys late, but better late than jem...
<libv> err, never!
<libv> oops :p
<rds> oliv3r, they started doing that, because this community became relevant!
<rds> they should do more. They should invite some of team for a visit to the engineering labs in China, and demo stuff
<rds> for some of the team members!
<bjoernb> appart from mali there is also cedarx which is a blob on those aw-platforms.
<rds> I am just pumped up for all possibilities that could occur in a year or two!
<libv> no, this will just spur nvidia on
<libv> vivante is too small to change
<libv> arm is all jemmed up
<libv> and qualcomm doesn't really have the need
<bjoernb> libv: that is a nice pun.
<libv> lte is too good for business, and rob is a machine
<rds> libv: you need to believe more on the market forces!
<rds> A truly open source and functional VPU, could be a big differential for AW SOC's
<libv> rds: i have been living the mobile market forces for the past 3 years.
<libv> rds: and have lived through other market forces before.
<rds> I understand that!
<rds> anyhow, it may mean nothing, but something has been kicked, and only time will tell us
<rds> if changes are coming for real open source GPU/VPU engines. I believe the "ball was just kicked"!
<libv> .
<bjoernb> they have their own facebook at arm: http://community.arm.com/people/jemdavies
<nazcafan> libv, I downloaded the video, what player should I use in order to read it?
<nazcafan> vlc seems to be mute
<libv> Nazcafan: my players on my older installation all have varying issues
<libv> so there's no help from anyone there
<libv> just try any one that works
<libv> hah
<libv> bjoernb: his last twitter message...
<libv> why is he happy that he doesn't need to talk to customers or the public?
<libv> i think jem is rapidly becoming a corporate stereotype to me
<libv> just like bridgman
<nazcafan> libv, do you know any player on your younger installation that does work?
<libv> aka "the preventer"
<libv> Nazcafan: no
<bjoernb> libv: you mean this: Not going to MWC - and feeling good about it?
<libv> bjoernb: yeah
<libv> bjoernb: i am pretty sure he wasn't at embedded world here in nue either
<bjoernb> libv: did you meet him in person?
<libv> one would think that the mpd vp would have a big things on his agenda
<libv> nope
<bjoernb> i am tired. have a good night and do not dream of jem.
<libv> hehe, i won't :)
<libv> night
<rds> see you
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<ega2002> hi, guys, just joined for testing. i've got cubietruck, no questions yet but there may be in future...
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<ccaione> jesus, never write emails after a couple of beers
<ccaione> dannym: feel free to ask for more info
<MSameer> is anyone working on CEC? I have been trying to poke around in the docs/register guide/code but could not yet get a grasp of how that thing should work
<MSameer> (I know we don't have any docs for that)
<oliv3r> ccaione: puneet?
<oliv3r> MSameer: cec has been merged in 3.4 ages ago
<MSameer> oliv3r: that's basic support only
<MSameer> so it turns on the display when hdmi is up but nothing more
<dannym> ccaione, thanks :-)
<MSameer> the only thing available is a register, I thought we should get some sort of an interrupt from hdmi but I could not find any irq handlers in the hdmi driver code
<oliv3r> MSameer: that's all their ass
<oliv3r> is*
<MSameer> I was trying to see if I can improve it a bit :/
<MSameer> I am not asking for help to get it to work. I am trying to see if I can fix it.
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<nazcafan> libv, interesting video, thanks
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<Turl> MSameer: have you checked the newer sdks?
<Turl> maybe they added support and you can use that as doc
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<MSameer> Turl: no. I don't know where to get them from
<MSameer> I just got my board a few days ago so I am sort of new here
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<Turl> MSameer: amery's github has a repo with them imported
<Turl> lichee*/* branches are allwinner kernels
<MSameer> ah those. I think I checked briefly but I will check again
<MSameer> thank you Turl
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<nazcafan> so I have modprobed bcmdhd, but no wlan0 interface shows up
<nazcafan> dmesg returns something similar to wl_android_wifictrl_func_add: platform_register timeout
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.fingerprint=softwinners/nuclear_x3/nuclear-x3:4.0.4/IMM76D/20130122:eng/test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.date.utc=1358840861
<DJJeff> ro.build.type=eng
<DJJeff> ro.build.host=ChipWin
<DJJeff> ro.build.tags=test-keys
<DJJeff> ro.build.user=evan
<DJJeff> ro.product.model=T7Q
<DJJeff> ro.product.brand=softwinners
<DJJeff> ro.product.name=nuclear_x3
<DJJeff> ro.product.device=nuclear-x3