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<apritzel> SPL support has been merged, so no boot0 anymore
<apritzel> but the ATF is still missing in this version, though I sent an RFC already to fix this
<vagrantc> nice
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<jernej> MoeIcenowy: Can you please test something like this: http://sprunge.us/QBCL
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<agin_> jernej, TCON1 is being used
<agin_> jernej: I am able to get proper video going now, text looks good, but it's very green.... there's a lot of green tint, right now I have taken away the CbCr gain so it's black and white
<dan0_0> Looking to build a debian stable image for Opi Plus 2E, any pointers?
<dan0_0> Not a fan of the following things in Armbian:
<dan0_0> Messes with the bash prompt to show a silly warning on *every* new shell after a kernel upgrade
<dan0_0> Doesn't have a normal debian installer, leading to issues like incorrect handling of /etc/resolv.conf after copying to NAND, almost certainly others
<vagrantc> dan0_0: doesn't sound like you want an image, sounds like you want support enabled in debian...
<dan0_0> MOTD changes and a few other things vs Debian stable keep throwing me off
<dan0_0> Yea, I mean Armbian is supposed to just be a build system for it, but it seems to be doing much more
<vagrantc> basically, getting support in debian involves mainline kernel, mainline u-boot, and getting the board recognized in flash-kernel
<vagrantc> and then getting all the appropriate modules enabled in the debian kernel...
<dan0_0> Yeah, its a pretty extensive project that has only been undertaken for A10/A20 it looks like
<vagrantc> depends on what you need, i've got a few orangepiplus2 boards running just debain, but they're headless and use a usb ethernet adapter
<dan0_0> I'm fine with running a custom kernel/uboot, but I just am not a fan of the changes Armbian has made around the edges
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<willmore> dan0_0, you might want to mention your concerns over in #armbian or on their forums. Getting Armbian support is accidental.
<dan0_0> Eh, #armbian has 16 users in it, and tkaiser and a few others who work on Armbian are here in #linux-sunxi, but never in that channel
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<swiftgeek> hmm would be nice to have some A13 schematic that uses GSL1680
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<wens> swiftgeek: for the silead chips, the blob is actually calibration data
<swiftgeek> yes i know that
<swiftgeek> i just want to fix stuff for my board which is pretty close to reference one
<swiftgeek> wens: do you have software for creating it by any chance ;)
<wens> swiftgeek: nope
<wens> i reached out to silead engineers back when hansg started work on the silead driver
<swiftgeek> i have to ask somebody to transcribe the title of it
<wens> they actually have to have their engineers go on site with special equipment to do the calibration
<swiftgeek> it's not called ctouch suite at all
<swiftgeek> nah
<swiftgeek> but dongle is quite a special one
<wens> so the possibility of someone doing it themselves is pretty low
<swiftgeek> just because of the scarcity of the dongle
<wens> well, that and you have to know what you're doing
<swiftgeek> well
<swiftgeek> i don't know chinese but it's not THAT hard from looks of it
<swiftgeek> oh my i'm retarded, forgot to save whole guide
<wens> i guess the point is the requirements make reversing the blob specs kind of low priority if not useless
<swiftgeek> wens: but it takes header files as input to create calibration file
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<willmore> Has anyone seen a 3d printable case design for the OpiZ+NAS board?
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<hanetzer> hey folks.
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<willmore> Did you just assume our self-ideation?
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<hanetzer> no, but I do assume that folks here may know a bit about reversing gpl-theiving companies stuff :P
<willmore> You seem to have missed nove.
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<hanetzer> nove being a nick?
<willmore> Yes, they were speaking about that earlier.
<hanetzer> nifty. Basically I have my own moby dick of a gpl theiving company (also part of the linaro group, and mainline kernel dev) with some video codec funkiness to deal with.
<willmore> hanetzer, good luck
<hanetzer> yeah.
<hanetzer> hisilicon, if you were curious.
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<MoeIcenowy> jernej: oh which platform?
<MoeIcenowy> on *
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<miasma> I noticed that the USB OTG is still wip for h3 according to http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix -- would it be possible to mainline that soon since it seems to be a fairly small patch and armbian and others have supported it for a long time now?
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<wens> MoeIcenowy: ^
<miasma> maybe there's something more complex involved, but the previous code already supported simple usb otg gadgets :)
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<jernej> MoeIcenowy: Your A64 U-Boot branch
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<miasma> apparently the SoC pages are also a bit out of date. for H3 it says "Currently, there is no sunxi support available yet" :F
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<MoeIcenowy> jernej: I cannot even clock DE2 up...
<MoeIcenowy> miasma: for all new SoCs there is no "sunxi support"
<miasma> MoeIcenowy: but when it is ok to say that there is some support? I guess if it boots mainline kernel appropriately, it's already a first step :)
<MoeIcenowy> we may speak "mainline support"
<MoeIcenowy> but I think "sunxi support" means the sunxi-3.4 branch
<miasma> i see
<miasma> that might be confusing for some readers not interested in < 4.x kernels
<miasma> the 'yet' part kind of implies that some developers would possibly like to have the support in the 3.x branch some day
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<miasma> hmm could h64 be mentioned as a variant on a64 page just like h2+ is listed on the h3 soc page?
<miasma> the a64 page already listed a h64 htpc as a a64 device
<KotCzarny> miasma: see a33/r16 and similar pages
<KotCzarny> though in this case its just a rename
<miasma> the h64 page mentions some differences
<KotCzarny> yes, the ones i've managed to find
<miasma> well I thought a short intro with link to [[h64]] could be mentioned on the a64 page under variants
<miasma> and if there's more differences, those on the h64 page
<MoeIcenowy> I think H64 page should be merged into A64
<miasma> k
<KotCzarny> but h64 is so niche chip , do you know any devices using it?
<miasma> the wiki only lists one or two
<KotCzarny> one.
<MoeIcenowy> sun50iw1p1 series just have fewer devices than other ;-)
<KotCzarny> wow
<KotCzarny> gigabit, 2gb ram
<KotCzarny> 16gb emmc
<MoeIcenowy> so noble board ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> And the board design style is just like H8-Homlet or R16-Parrot ;-)
<miasma> rgiht, the wiki listed Azpen Hybrix , but it's a a64 device
<miasma> KotCzarny: i added the variants section and the mediawiki categorytree here http://linux-sunxi.org/A64 -- now it's easier to maintain
<MoeIcenowy> miasma: I think you should just drop the page [[H64]] and make it a redirect to [[A64]]
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<KotCzarny> or wait for the other folks to chime in
<miasma> yep
<KotCzarny> i think i've had similar discussion few months/years back
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<MoeIcenowy> I did such migration on [[H2+]] to [[H3]], and [[R16]] to [[A33]]
<MoeIcenowy> as they're at least 90% software compatible
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<KotCzarny> start playing some mmorpg, should solve your loneliness issue
<KotCzarny> -ECHAN, sorry
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<KotCzarny> opi3 was announced 2015-10-11, i guess its safe to say it won't be H64 anymore ;)
<MoeIcenowy> I think on Armbian forum there's some leaked photos for opi3
<MoeIcenowy> it's H5.
<MoeIcenowy> I have heard that a H5 ver of NanoPi NEO may be present
<MoeIcenowy> (you know, Allwinner played pin-to-pin-compatible game on H3 to H5 once again ;-)
<KotCzarny> which is good for them and us (faster development of hw)
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<wens> KotCzarny: OT, i've been playing mmorpg for the past few days :p
<MoeIcenowy> only for pin-to-pin-compatible our SW development do not benefit a lot
<MoeIcenowy> but usually pin-to-pin-compatible SoCs are close ;-)
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<KotCzarny> wens: that's good. keeps your mind sane :P
<Ke> btw. anyone here know, how can I get job control to work on busybox ash, if I start it as pid 1
<MoeIcenowy> Ke: run mdev to probe /dev, then exec to one ash process, with standard in/out/err redirect to /dev/tty1
<Ke> so init is a script that "exec ash < /dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1"
<Ke> ?
<Ke> and 2>/dev/tty1
<MoeIcenowy> first probe /dev
<Ke> that I do already
<MoeIcenowy> yes, I think so
<Ke> let's try
<MoeIcenowy> but I have already been several months not use shell as pid1...
<Ke> heh, I mostly use it to exec systemd
<Ke> that's why it needs to be pid1
<wens> KotCzarny: well, not if it involves bitching other players a lot :p
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<KotCzarny> that can be part of the fun, if one enjoys it :P
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<KotCzarny> doesnt busybox support init applet?
<KotCzarny> and /etc/initrc ?
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<KotCzarny> you might try this way (ie. cd /bin; ln -s busybox init and boot with init=/bin/init )
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: but he uses systemd
<Ke> MoeIcenowy: did not work, still complains "can't access tty; job control turned off"
<Ke> /proc/consoles lists tty1
<MoeIcenowy> ah-oh
<KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: self inflicted pain then. poor shmuck.
<Ke> =D
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<KotCzarny> ke: what are you trying to achieve?
<Ke> I am trying to get a recovery shell with job control
<KotCzarny> ok, then do as i've suggested
<Ke> no way
<KotCzarny> use busybox's init applet as init=
<Ke> I know that solution and it's not what I want
<KotCzarny> simple and you dont have to install lots of cruft
<KotCzarny> you could also google for ramdisk based distros using systemd
<Ke> no way
<KotCzarny> should provide minimal setup/config
<Ke> not having job control is somewhat acceptable
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<Ke> actually exec setsid cttyhack sh works
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<Ke> amazingly solutions I have tried ages ago seem to work now
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<Ke> thanks for suggestions anywa
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<hanetzer> fuggen broke-ass vendor toolchain.
<KotCzarny> new to allwinner?
<KotCzarny> ;)
<hanetzer> not allwinner.
<hanetzer> just figured you guys would be a good source of information regarding the reversing of stupid vendor shitware.
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<hanetzer> currently emerging a cross toolchain and hoping that gdbserver for it will work
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<hanetzer> eyo o/
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<wens> anyone remember that guy from imagination technologies here talking about a redistributable driver for powervr G6230?
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<nove> it looses the bonus points for avoiding to answer the question
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<nove> as they acknowledge here that there is binaries bobs in the kernel https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/SOFTWARE/A64-TERES
<wens> at the very least, if you want 3d acceleration, there is no getting away from mali
<nove> is not those blobs,
<nove> but the ones that are linked with the kernel
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<hanetzer> oh hey, nove. someone said you were the dude to ask about vendor shitware video codecs.
<nove> hanetzer: hi
<hanetzer> hullo o/
<nove> hanetzer: yes it saw the logs, you are aiming to work in reversing engineering the video engine at hisilicon?
<nove> i never looked at that one, does it has a firmware?
<hanetzer> define firmware.
<hanetzer> it has some shared and static libs. not a full on blob
<nove> a binary blob that needs to be loaded by the driver into the hardware
<hanetzer> not that I'm aware of. just some funky shared objects
<nove> is there a link for the driver that they are using
<hanetzer> not on the normal interwebs. I actually had to purchase the sdk from taobao. 5 yuan
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<hanetzer> I have it on my server. I can link you if you like.
<nove> hanetzer: here is giving some hits that it using Hantro http://linux-rockchip.info/mw/index.php?title=VideoAcceleration#HiSilicon_K3V2_.28Hi3620.29
<nove> hanetzer: thanks, but no, i don't want to touch anything that is not public accessible
<hanetzer> ah no. its not that particular hisi chip
<hanetzer> its a hi3521a
<nove> it is a hit
<hanetzer> huh?
<nove> it means that hisilicon is buy hardware designs instead have their one thing
<hanetzer> ah
<hanetzer> how would I go about testing for this on my machine?
<nove> in the above wiki page, they recognized by its hardware id
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<hanetzer> yeah, I see that. I mean, how would I determine that? I know how one would check for say, primecell hardware
<nove> you should check if the driver prints some id or if can be made to print something
<hanetzer> binary library.
<nove> isn't there kernel sources for the kernel driver part
<hanetzer> not that I've found as of yet.
<plaes> isn't there something in chromebook repositories?
<MoeIcenowy> 5 yuan is not expensive ;-)
<hanetzer> MoeIcenowy: nope, very cheap.
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<Wizzup> MoeIcenowy: do you have any hints on how to enable emmc node on q8 (a33) tablets ? I usually find a similar dts and copy from it...
<MoeIcenowy> do it ;-
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
<Wizzup> OK, I'll try do it
<nove> hanetzer: first make what you have (the blobs) working, that will give you more clues
<hanetzer> already work, I have root access with semi-stock firmware.
<nove> hanetzer: and what do the kernel logs says about the video engine/vpu?
<hanetzer> one se.
<MoeIcenowy> kernel-mode blob?
<MoeIcenowy> enjoy it ;-)
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<hanetzer> nove: not seeing anything in particular about it in dmesg.
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<nove> hanetzer: you have what you have, make the hardware work with the blobs, then collect all information you can get
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<hanetzer> you're missing what I'm getting at. I already have everything working. I just want to know what 'all information' is relevant.
<nove> hanetzer: your objective is reverse engineering to get the information to make possible a open source driver, is that right?
<hanetzer> hopefully.
<nove> with that answer, you will not go far
<hanetzer> nah. I'm just being realistic. I'm one guy working a full time job doing this as a sort of hobby.
<nove> you have the problem of the binary only kernel module, you need to find out how the hardware is initialized
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<nove> hanetzer: why hi3521a? wouldn't hikey 96board be a better candidate, there is more "community" using it
<hanetzer> because its what I have. the board in question is part of a consumer product, a cctv box.
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<nove> hanetzer: do you have the sources for the kernel? (expect this vpu module)
<hanetzer> yep.
<hanetzer> kernel 3.10
<nove> hanetzer: i don't know how i can help you, you choose a very specialized hardware with no community around, to not have a open source vpu driver is not the only problem that you have with this hardware
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<rellla> http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Rellla/Video_and_graphics_acceleration <- i need a name and place for this and rfc :)
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<willmore> rellla, how about "things not to ask tkaiser about"?
<rellla> btw, it's somewhat related to http://linux-sunxi.org/GraphicsPerformanceX11 , which never was finished with the designated content
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<willmore> rellla, is the mali kernel space driver not in mainline? I thought it was.
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<rellla> willmore: it isn't. you probably mean https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/arm , which is not 3D mali
<willmore> rellla, that must be it. Thanks for the clarification.
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<nove> well, just only yesterday that i notice that the pine released a new linux bsp with this "GPL compliance hear"
<nove> so today, i downloaded to check if there is any good news
<nove> but i just confirmed that all the blobs listed at http://linux-sunxi.org/A64#GPL_Violations are still there
<TheLinuxBug> yeah there seems no way around it if you want to use gfx accel on these boards since ARM/Allwinner refuse to provide any usable licensing for them
<TheLinuxBug> :(
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<Ixnus> Allwinner A13
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<jelle> oh e-ink :D
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<tkaiser> Any of the SoPine owners looked into mainline DRAM support already (LPDDR3 and not DDR3/DDR3L)? I could only find legacy boot0 in one of longsleep's repos but nothing 'blob free'...
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<plaes> Ixnus: ugh.. 23€ for postage :(
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<apritzel> tkaiser: LPDDR init in U-Boot> I started looking at it
<apritzel> I actually found some DDR code in the NanoPi-A64 BSP
<tkaiser> dan0_0: To keep this channel clean it would be great if you could open a new thread in Armbian forum (dev section) and explain what annoys you (interesting for me). Maybe most if not all issues can be resolved by making use of image customization script that get called in the end (I use this heavily to tweak OS images we use at customers)
<dan0_0> Yeah, I did, lemme go link to that
<tkaiser> apritzel: Good to hear. Can some of the code used for BPi M3 (sun8i but also 2GB LPDDR3) maybe reused here?
<apritzel> tkaiser: sure, this is one driver in U-Boot anyway
<apritzel> tkaiser: if you mean "H3" with sun8i
<tkaiser> apritzel: No A83T instead. I don't remember exactly but I already asked many months ago and IIRC wens pointed out that vishnup did something there.
<tkaiser> dan0_0: Thanks, totally overlooked that in the morning. Will answer later over there, now time for some Risotto :)
<dan0_0> kk, hope the Risotto is delicious! :P
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<Xalius> is anyone going to FOSDEM over the weekend?
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<jelle> o/
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<tkaiser> dan0_0: thanks, already answered.
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<zoobab> @Xalius yeah sure, come to the sunxi dinner, still some spots left
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<willmore> I printed a case for my PC2 and now it runs a reasonable amount slower. Temps are slightly lower, but may not quite be at equilibrium. So, the thermal budget/throttling seems to be working great.
<willmore> Board still stock--no heatsink and no enhanced airflow.
<willmore> Okay, now that it's cooked a bit longer I'm seeing odd behavior. The temperature and clock speeds are fluctuating quite a bit. Clocks peak at 1008MHz and dip down to 720. Temps go from 62C to 75C.
<willmore> Is there some kind of PID loop that controls this or a state machine of some sort?
<TheLinuxBug> I have it in its 'Orange Pi' branded acrylic case and noticed its a bit slower, but I have also added a heatsink since which did improve a good amount.
<TheLinuxBug> wnever checked temps but may be worth seeing what it runs at
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