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<fALSO>
bom dia
<jbizcocho>
Buenos dias!
<fALSO>
yo jbizcocho =)
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<libv>
arm just lost a lot of customers.
<DuClare>
enjoy the show
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<ElBarto>
libv: ?
<libv>
arm warned its staff to no longer work with huawei, due to the trump ban also somehow affecting arm ip.
<libv>
arm is not a trump safe company,
<libv>
so why build SoCs with arm?
<ElBarto>
ah, that
<ElBarto>
yeah
<fALSO>
woulnt be better to stop with the spying and security bugs?
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<mru>
what does cisco have to do with anything?
<ElBarto>
:)
<libv>
mru: :)
<libv>
well, there was that time, in the year after the snowden revelations, when juniper networks asked if i was available...
<libv>
in relationship to my flashrom work
<libv>
that did not go far, especially since i was still focussed on arm then, and i also could not help myself come to the conclusions that i did
<libv>
but why buy into the arm ecosystem if its ip can be limited by the whim of the us president
<libv>
why bet your whole business on it?
<ElBarto>
Juniper will use arm in some of their product soon-ish
<KotCzarny>
because gov is organized legal crime gang
<libv>
well, routers based on pc hardware come with the usual pc bioses
<jo0nas>
...or unusual BIOSes ;-)
<libv>
yeah, checksums did not match apparently, and they found bios_extract which is where i collected some tools to extract bioses to be able to look at the bits that have the write enable for the flash
<libv>
ever since then, i often state that the original allwinner devices are probably the safest around
<KotCzarny>
which ones are the original?
<libv>
because if allwinner was unable to handle the forcing their customers to not adhere to the GPL, which the other players did succeed in doing back in the early days...
<libv>
a10/a13/a20
<libv>
then allwinner was more likely to not be able the still hypothetical case of backdooring hw
<libv>
+to handle
<KotCzarny>
unless they got ip with holes already in it
<libv>
perhaps, but that still put allwinner ahead of the competition
<libv>
anyway, arm ip is not safe from trump
<libv>
arm ip is a liability
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<wens>
for Android phones you really don't have a choice
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<wens>
libv: aren't mips and risc-v technically also governed by US law?
<libv>
wens: quite likely
<libv>
but if risc-v is fully open, there is no real way to restrict it
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<libv>
how would trump restrict the linux kernel?
<libv>
not that this could not be attempted, but how would such a thing be implemented?
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<wens>
probably going after whoever manufactures the chips for them
<KotCzarny>
afair linux-kernel doesnt fall under usa jurisdiction
<libv>
KotCzarny: why not, does it not contain .us "technology"?
<KotCzarny>
under what license?
<libv>
wens: how, in a trade law?
<KotCzarny>
*licence
<libv>
err, war
<diego71>
libv: the problem that contain technology from everywhere. China included....
<libv>
wens: at best, the .us could exclude companies from access to its own market
<libv>
which is what arm is afraid of
<KotCzarny>
have fun producing real things from licences
<KotCzarny>
as opposed from raw materials
<libv>
anyway, this arm internal memo opens up a totally new can of worms
<wens>
libv: probably
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<DuClare>
hopefully
<DuClare>
I enjoy these :_)
<aalm>
?
<DuClare>
Shake up the landscape, new insights sometimes come out of it, the status quo changes, etc
<KotCzarny>
war.. war never changes
<DuClare>
I think that's usually good and healthy.. but even if nothing good ever came out of it, at least I can enjoy some popcorn time
<aalm>
but usa in charge of it, i don't like.
<DuClare>
They just set things in motion
<DuClare>
They can't control the end result
<DuClare>
(Though I suppose they can do a quick 180 and everything goes back to as it was)
<DuClare>
(That would be disappointing)
<lvrp16>
trump will reverse course. if not, it will be the biggest sabotage of US tech since it existed.
<lvrp16>
his reputation will go to hell in history
<lvrp16>
for giving away american technology leadership over some thing with china
<KotCzarny>
or since it was first moved outside usa?
<aalm>
lol
<lvrp16>
the whole world would move away from anything with American tech in it...
<KotCzarny>
you can only grow so big before you start to rely on others to survive
<fALSO>
man, isnt ARM jap now?
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<lvrp16>
plus China offers a cheaper crappier alternative, but it will grow because people are afraid of US temper tantrums
<lvrp16>
golden opportunity for China to flip the boat on the US...Trump is not stupid, maybe he just doesn't understand tech
<mru>
he may not be stupid, but he acts stupid
<mru>
the end result is the same
* vagrantc
remembers the US export restriction on cryptography in the 90s causing much of serious cryptography to move outside of the US
<vagrantc>
somehow this seems similar tome
<mru>
remember the pgp books?
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<KotCzarny>
credit rating for everyone? you get a CR, you get a CR, everyone gets a CR!
<KotCzarny>
imagine china becoming world domination
<mru>
imagine?
<lvrp16>
vagrantc: governments have this notion that ideas are solid and they can grab hold of it when in reality ideas are fluid and will leak out of your hands the moment you grasp it
<KotCzarny>
in the end it comes to brutal pacification