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<wens> ElBarto: assigned-clock only gets set once, when it's registered
<wens> ElBarto: and no, assigned-clock does not enable the clok
<wens> ElBarto: as for sram, because you don't want different components to be able to poke the registers directly and poke the wrong bits, and also linux has a subsystem that handles sram mapping
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<MoeIcenowy> martinayotte: it's weird that I need to cherry-pick any fix for 2 times
<MoeIcenowy> because there're 3 drivers under my maintaince now
<MoeIcenowy> is there a way to unify them?
<MoeIcenowy> or even add them to r8723bs of staging
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<ullbeking> martinayotte OPI +2E is my favorite cheat SBC. How is the H5 version?
<ullbeking> cheap *
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<lykt> H5 version is also good, Orange Pi Prime, except it has no eMMC storage
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<quadjfet> Does anyone know where I can find the programming manual for the Allwinner F1C100s ?
<quadjfet> I have found a 21 page datasheet, but it's basically useless: https://linux-sunxi.org/images/b/ba/F1C100s_Datasheet_V1.0.pdf
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<smaeul> quadjfet: I think http://linux-sunxi.org/images/8/85/Allwinner_F1C600_User_Manual_V1.0.pdf is the closest that is publically available
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<quadjfet> smaeul, not what I wanted to hear but thanks anyways
<quadjfet> If I manage to get my hands on the doc I'll report back
<quadjfet> The F1C100s is in the "Lychee Pi Cross-Boarder" SBC as well as the "Bittboy"/"Miyoo" series of handheld game consoles
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<ullbeking> ty lykt
<ullbeking> is that big "Table of Allwinner SBC's" still the main reference to see all the OPi's available?
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<MoeIcenowy> smaeul: yes, F1C600 is just a rebranded F1C100s
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<ElBarto> wens: what do you mean by "poke the registers directly and poke the wrong bits" ?
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<libv> that table is an unworkable nightmare that will bitrot fast
<KotCzarny> bitrot? the device configurations wont change much
<libv> but the devices category should list things properly
<KotCzarny> but at least it provides some comparison in the allwinner boards jungle
<libv> KotCzarny: it needs to be kept up to date manually
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<ullbeking> libv: thank you!!
<libv> and at one point it will become too big to handle
<libv> also, tables in mediawiki are a massive pain and go wrong easily and quickly
<libv> such a table should be autogenerated really, from the infobox values and some categories
<libv> also, this leads to information being changed in one spot and being ignored in another
<libv> making both device pages and this table useless
<KotCzarny> libv, yeah, but when i asked if mediawiki can provide such details, some folks responded 'no', or 'much work'
<hellsenberg> and then stuff like "there's three different places saying three different things, at least" happens
<KotCzarny> so i started that page, to have a quick comparison
<KotCzarny> and for now, its the most useful comparison page i know
<libv> like making a competing driver (radeonhd vs ati, if one driver worked, the user used that, and never filed a bug and the issue never got fixed), or using different modesetting paths (just use xorg.conf to choose such a path, and if one works stick with it, in fact, let's create a table that lists device, mode, connector, modesetting path for good measure)
<libv> the latter was openchrome, who forked away from unichrome because i put my foot down on modesetting
<libv> it's not as if modesetting went anywhere
<libv> KotCzarny: less work than maintaining that huge table
<KotCzarny> no one stepped up to do it
<KotCzarny> so.
<libv> well, let me add a link to the :Devices category at the top of that page so people at least have the ability to get there from google
<libv> the whole point of device page first thinking is that people google "linux" + "device name", and hit the relevant device page
<libv> and then can take it from there
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<ullbeking> thank you libv
<ullbeking> out of interest i'm looking for the h5 version of the opi +2e
<ullbeking> but because it's not on the table i assume nobody has added it?
<ullbeking> or is it called sth else?
<KotCzarny> or there isnt such
<KotCzarny> opi prime/opi win are the closest matches
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<ullbeking> KotCzarny: libv: i would trust your knowledge more than my own on these matters. but i could have sworn that somebody told me there is h5 version... i wonder what the real story is/was.
<KotCzarny> maybe someone didnt have a clue?
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<KotCzarny> the aliexpress page is quite confident there isnt
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<ullbeking> some random person on the Internet not having a clue? are you serious?
<wens> ElBarto: with syscon, any driver that has a reference to the syscon has full access to the range of registers the syscon exposes
<wens> it's pretty much a last resort
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<martinayotte> ullbeking: There is no equivalent of OPi+2E with an H5. But you can take a look at OPi3 H6 ...
<martinayotte> MoeIcenowy: I don't now. In Armbian, we still use static patches for both, so I've simply merged your fix in both patches.
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<marcodiego> with cedrus and hantro on mainline and lima and panfrost on linux and mesa, what is missing for any allwinner and rockchip to get RYF certification?
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<jernej> will to go through process of certification?
<jernej> note: I don't know what the process is
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<libv> i am not sure that ryf is worth ones time
<libv> never have found the fsf to be relevant; not when i was kicking VIA ass and making display drivers bios free, not when we were liberating ati, not with lima
<mru> what is ryf? google only points to a swiss athlete
<libv> respects your freedom
<libv> "fsf ryf" gets you there
<mru> if it's fsf, it's a waste of time for sure
<libv> yup
<libv> i am not sure that i have seen them do anything useful in this century
<mru> my favourite fsf nonsense is that time when their hatred of "non-free" firmware blobs made them stick said firmware in the flash memory of a uC which installed it in the bcm (iirc) chip on power up
<mru> that way, the firmware invisible to the user, and thus the whole device became "free"
<libv> my first encounter with rms is when VIA had just (it was a stupid oversight) dropped MIT on their xorg code and changed it for a proprietary license
<libv> and it took them quite a while to fix it
<libv> during that time, RMS was touring .tw and claiming loudly that .tw are soo much better at free software than .us companies
<libv> in my youthful innocence, i sent rms an email explaining that this was not entirely correct, and what VIA had just done, and that via was not very responsive
<libv> he just took days to answer each subsequent emails, and just asked for irrelevant details, never getting to the point
<libv> and never went "oh, i talked to suchandsuch when i was there last month, let me throw him an email"
<mru> rms did some good things back in the 80s
<mru> now he's just a pompous prick
<libv> half a year or so later, theo de raadt threw me a datasheet "here, have fun"
<libv> when i asked whether i should credit him or openbsd for such an amazing feat, he pretty much went "just write code"
<mru> he can also be quite difficult though
<mru> the nickname "theo de rant" didn't invent itself
<libv> i've heard the same, but he has been much more relevant in open source graphics than rms or the fsf ever was or ever will be
<mru> rms just whines about what other people should do
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<mru> never does anything himself
<mru> any more
<mru> and the code he did write back in the day is rather horrid
<libv> rms has only wasted my time, and i only i dealt, or try to "deal", with him twice
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<libv> the fsf support of lima was limited to just mentioning it as a high priority project on their website
<libv> if anything deserves a slow clap...
<libv> if you are an organization like the fsf, what should you spend your time on?
<libv> convincing people to use free software? not in this century.
<mru> remember their stupid attempt at a Flash clone?
<libv> i am not sure it was their attempt
<libv> i am not sure they actually did more for that than mention it on their website
<mru> it was sanctioned by them
<mru> when do they ever do anything other than mention things on their website?
<libv> did they materially support any developer to work on it?
<mru> I doubt it
<mru> but it did have their seal of approval
<libv> if they have identified it as a key technology, which it arguably was at the time
<mru> yeah, but they refused to read the spec published by adobe
<libv> then they should support it, and gather donations, as the FSF, and they actively pay $key_developer to keep a roof above his/her head
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<libv> they could go and have a fund for litigation, and a fund for limited time support for a limited amount of key people for very key projects
<libv> and have a committee which decides on what to select there
<libv> (because that's what they do, and that perhaps would not be too wrong here)
<libv> but it's all hollow, it's all just talk, no action, at least no action that one can see
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<libv> and i am pretty sure that if the FSF actually did anything, they would be very loud about it
<libv> and ryf is just one of those things
<libv> they just mention a piece of hardware on their website
<libv> i sometimes wish i had no pointed out the videocore blob on the rpi
<libv> perhaps the rpi would've gotten the RYF label ;)
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<DonkeyHotei> afaik rpi never got ryf
<libv> of course not, it's a very non-free device
<DonkeyHotei> marcodiego: and an allwinner-based device _did_ get ryf
<marcodiego> DonkeyHotei, which device?
<libv> but initially the rpi foundation acted like it was totally open and free, as to help people get into assembly
<DonkeyHotei> marcodiego: i don't remember off the top of my head, but it was designed specifically to comply with ryf requirements
<marcodiego> DonkeyHotei, think you're talking about eoma68: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop is that?
<DonkeyHotei> maybe
<DonkeyHotei> or maybe Novena
<libv> marcodiego: this has not shipped
<marcodiego> libv, I know
<libv> ~2 weeks left to hit the 3y mark of it being funded
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<quadjfet> "Last update posted Apr 27, 2019"
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<libv> in the meantime, two laptops with allwinner socs have shipped
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<DonkeyHotei> ok yes, apparently it was eoma68 i was remembering
<libv> i think this was about asking for ryf, not sure this status actually was received though
<marcodiego> eoma68 seems like a great idea... upgradable laptops would be good
<quadjfet> sure, if <5W performance works for your use case
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<quadjfet> I've yet to see a workable modular system that includes heat transfer
<marcodiego> quadjfet, my desktop is currently a raspberry pi 2. I'm getting used to underpowered computers
<quadjfet> how long does a kernel build take?
<marcodiego> quadjfet, never compiled one here
<marcodiego> but even gnu nano takes some time
<quadjfet> I think a mItx-for-laptops style mobo standard is a more realistic, practical way forward
<quadjfet> like the pi-top, but with a heatpipe
<quadjfet> and out of shenzhen, so it doesn't cost $300
<marcodiego> I'd like my laptop to be just a shell. Something like nexdock but that allowed to put "guts" inside
<KotCzarny> just get an a33 tablet?
<KotCzarny> and a kb
<libv> i think the olimex solution was good, buy plastics, fit in an a64 and other things, and make the innards all oshw
<marcodiego> KotCzarny, upgradable?
<libv> realize what your strengths are, and use those to solve your part of the puzzle
<KotCzarny> marcodiego: you either get a small size, or modability
<DonkeyHotei> a33 tablets can't even run mainline linux atm
<KotCzarny> thats bad, because a31 runs with pvr
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<marcodiego> what is pvr
<marcodiego> ?
<KotCzarny> a cancer
<KotCzarny> power vr gpu
<KotCzarny> *powervr
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<libv> heh
<libv> yet at some key points, it almost was the most likely gpu to become free
<libv> market pressures
<libv> which also shows just how i misjudged arm
<karlp> what? you made a mistake?
<libv> heh
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