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<wens>
ElBarto: assigned-clock only gets set once, when it's registered
<wens>
ElBarto: and no, assigned-clock does not enable the clok
<wens>
ElBarto: as for sram, because you don't want different components to be able to poke the registers directly and poke the wrong bits, and also linux has a subsystem that handles sram mapping
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<MoeIcenowy>
martinayotte: it's weird that I need to cherry-pick any fix for 2 times
<MoeIcenowy>
because there're 3 drivers under my maintaince now
<MoeIcenowy>
is there a way to unify them?
<MoeIcenowy>
or even add them to r8723bs of staging
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<ullbeking>
martinayotte OPI +2E is my favorite cheat SBC. How is the H5 version?
<ullbeking>
cheap *
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<lykt>
H5 version is also good, Orange Pi Prime, except it has no eMMC storage
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<quadjfet>
Does anyone know where I can find the programming manual for the Allwinner F1C100s ?
<libv>
that table is an unworkable nightmare that will bitrot fast
<KotCzarny>
bitrot? the device configurations wont change much
<libv>
but the devices category should list things properly
<KotCzarny>
but at least it provides some comparison in the allwinner boards jungle
<libv>
KotCzarny: it needs to be kept up to date manually
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<ullbeking>
libv: thank you!!
<libv>
and at one point it will become too big to handle
<libv>
also, tables in mediawiki are a massive pain and go wrong easily and quickly
<libv>
such a table should be autogenerated really, from the infobox values and some categories
<libv>
also, this leads to information being changed in one spot and being ignored in another
<libv>
making both device pages and this table useless
<KotCzarny>
libv, yeah, but when i asked if mediawiki can provide such details, some folks responded 'no', or 'much work'
<hellsenberg>
and then stuff like "there's three different places saying three different things, at least" happens
<KotCzarny>
so i started that page, to have a quick comparison
<KotCzarny>
and for now, its the most useful comparison page i know
<libv>
like making a competing driver (radeonhd vs ati, if one driver worked, the user used that, and never filed a bug and the issue never got fixed), or using different modesetting paths (just use xorg.conf to choose such a path, and if one works stick with it, in fact, let's create a table that lists device, mode, connector, modesetting path for good measure)
<libv>
the latter was openchrome, who forked away from unichrome because i put my foot down on modesetting
<libv>
it's not as if modesetting went anywhere
<libv>
KotCzarny: less work than maintaining that huge table
<KotCzarny>
no one stepped up to do it
<KotCzarny>
so.
<libv>
well, let me add a link to the :Devices category at the top of that page so people at least have the ability to get there from google
<libv>
the whole point of device page first thinking is that people google "linux" + "device name", and hit the relevant device page
<libv>
and then can take it from there
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<ullbeking>
thank you libv
<ullbeking>
out of interest i'm looking for the h5 version of the opi +2e
<ullbeking>
but because it's not on the table i assume nobody has added it?
<ullbeking>
or is it called sth else?
<KotCzarny>
or there isnt such
<KotCzarny>
opi prime/opi win are the closest matches
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<ullbeking>
KotCzarny: libv: i would trust your knowledge more than my own on these matters. but i could have sworn that somebody told me there is h5 version... i wonder what the real story is/was.
<KotCzarny>
maybe someone didnt have a clue?
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<KotCzarny>
the aliexpress page is quite confident there isnt
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<ullbeking>
some random person on the Internet not having a clue? are you serious?
<wens>
ElBarto: with syscon, any driver that has a reference to the syscon has full access to the range of registers the syscon exposes
<wens>
it's pretty much a last resort
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<martinayotte>
ullbeking: There is no equivalent of OPi+2E with an H5. But you can take a look at OPi3 H6 ...
<martinayotte>
MoeIcenowy: I don't now. In Armbian, we still use static patches for both, so I've simply merged your fix in both patches.
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<marcodiego>
with cedrus and hantro on mainline and lima and panfrost on linux and mesa, what is missing for any allwinner and rockchip to get RYF certification?
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<jernej>
will to go through process of certification?
<jernej>
note: I don't know what the process is
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<libv>
i am not sure that ryf is worth ones time
<libv>
never have found the fsf to be relevant; not when i was kicking VIA ass and making display drivers bios free, not when we were liberating ati, not with lima
<mru>
what is ryf? google only points to a swiss athlete
<libv>
respects your freedom
<libv>
"fsf ryf" gets you there
<mru>
if it's fsf, it's a waste of time for sure
<libv>
yup
<libv>
i am not sure that i have seen them do anything useful in this century
<mru>
my favourite fsf nonsense is that time when their hatred of "non-free" firmware blobs made them stick said firmware in the flash memory of a uC which installed it in the bcm (iirc) chip on power up
<mru>
that way, the firmware invisible to the user, and thus the whole device became "free"
<libv>
my first encounter with rms is when VIA had just (it was a stupid oversight) dropped MIT on their xorg code and changed it for a proprietary license
<libv>
and it took them quite a while to fix it
<libv>
during that time, RMS was touring .tw and claiming loudly that .tw are soo much better at free software than .us companies
<libv>
in my youthful innocence, i sent rms an email explaining that this was not entirely correct, and what VIA had just done, and that via was not very responsive
<libv>
he just took days to answer each subsequent emails, and just asked for irrelevant details, never getting to the point
<libv>
and never went "oh, i talked to suchandsuch when i was there last month, let me throw him an email"
<mru>
rms did some good things back in the 80s
<mru>
now he's just a pompous prick
<libv>
half a year or so later, theo de raadt threw me a datasheet "here, have fun"
<libv>
when i asked whether i should credit him or openbsd for such an amazing feat, he pretty much went "just write code"
<mru>
he can also be quite difficult though
<mru>
the nickname "theo de rant" didn't invent itself
<libv>
i've heard the same, but he has been much more relevant in open source graphics than rms or the fsf ever was or ever will be
<mru>
rms just whines about what other people should do
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<mru>
never does anything himself
<mru>
any more
<mru>
and the code he did write back in the day is rather horrid
<libv>
rms has only wasted my time, and i only i dealt, or try to "deal", with him twice
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<libv>
the fsf support of lima was limited to just mentioning it as a high priority project on their website
<libv>
if anything deserves a slow clap...
<libv>
if you are an organization like the fsf, what should you spend your time on?
<libv>
convincing people to use free software? not in this century.
<mru>
remember their stupid attempt at a Flash clone?
<libv>
i am not sure it was their attempt
<libv>
i am not sure they actually did more for that than mention it on their website
<mru>
it was sanctioned by them
<mru>
when do they ever do anything other than mention things on their website?
<libv>
did they materially support any developer to work on it?
<mru>
I doubt it
<mru>
but it did have their seal of approval
<libv>
if they have identified it as a key technology, which it arguably was at the time
<mru>
yeah, but they refused to read the spec published by adobe
<libv>
then they should support it, and gather donations, as the FSF, and they actively pay $key_developer to keep a roof above his/her head
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<libv>
they could go and have a fund for litigation, and a fund for limited time support for a limited amount of key people for very key projects
<libv>
and have a committee which decides on what to select there
<libv>
(because that's what they do, and that perhaps would not be too wrong here)
<libv>
but it's all hollow, it's all just talk, no action, at least no action that one can see
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<libv>
and i am pretty sure that if the FSF actually did anything, they would be very loud about it
<libv>
and ryf is just one of those things
<libv>
they just mention a piece of hardware on their website
<libv>
i sometimes wish i had no pointed out the videocore blob on the rpi
<libv>
perhaps the rpi would've gotten the RYF label ;)
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<DonkeyHotei>
afaik rpi never got ryf
<libv>
of course not, it's a very non-free device
<DonkeyHotei>
marcodiego: and an allwinner-based device _did_ get ryf
<marcodiego>
DonkeyHotei, which device?
<libv>
but initially the rpi foundation acted like it was totally open and free, as to help people get into assembly
<DonkeyHotei>
marcodiego: i don't remember off the top of my head, but it was designed specifically to comply with ryf requirements