<libv>
and 13ys later, allwinner did the same, but did not go as far as produce _all_ the code
<fALSO>
DivX ;-)
<libv>
ever tried watching an early divx recently, it's like watching a film or tv-series you remember from when you were wrong
<fALSO>
i just like the logo
<megi>
when you were wrong? :)
<libv>
young
<libv>
hehe
<libv>
i got interrupted halfway through
<libv>
freudian slip
<KotCzarny>
same thing, mostly.
<libv>
good thing i went there, and didn't type other things instead
<libv>
anyway, sigma designs used gpled code, then went and claimed they had rewritten it, and the disassembly said something else
<libv>
i wasn't following this space then, otherwise i would've used it as an extra stick to drum up media support 4ys ago
<libv>
for when we exposed allwinner
<KotCzarny>
but it was american company, no?
<KotCzarny>
yup
<KotCzarny>
that's why they couldnt get away easily
<libv>
yeah
<libv>
which is why nextthingco had to step up 2 weeks into their kickstarter campaign as well
<megi>
pretty much all 2 devices I reverse engineered in the last 2 years contain GPL code with manufacturer doing half hearted or no GPLed source code release
<KotCzarny>
har har, isnt that true for ANY android device? :>
<megi>
quite possible
<megi>
these were not andorids though
<megi>
one was an older payment terminal
<megi>
and second was pocketbook e-reader
<libv>
one can argue that the likes of hp and nintendo are gpl violators
<libv>
as they ship allwinner bsp versions with blobs in the likes of u-boot and kernel code
<libv>
as part of their "GPL compliance" tarballs
<megi>
yeah, I think the last company in the chain (the one that created the end-user device) should ensure gpl compliance
<megi>
and make the SoC vendor cough up some code
<megi>
they usually modify the code too quite heavily
<libv>
well, this is how we got the original two codedrops that started this community, but that was when allwinner was still shipping code to their device makers without blobs
<libv>
1-2ys down the line, and they had blobs
<megi>
hmm
<libv>
then the argument became "but the device makers are to blame"
<libv>
which is true, but which was also never enforced
<libv>
and is harder to enforce
<libv>
without involving lawyers, we would have daily shitstorms
<libv>
while it was clear that the source of the issue was allwinner
<KotCzarny>
i strongly suspect it's the arm/pvr is to blame
<KotCzarny>
:)
<megi>
yeah, it's more practical to try to make SoC vendor compliant, rather than random device makers
<libv>
so yes, devices makers GPL violations should be where it is at, but this is or was never enforced either, as far as i can tell
<libv>
no nintendo nes or snes classic sold in the us
<libv>
no allwinner based kickstarters
<libv>
that's where it should be at
<libv>
but from a community creating the public outrage pov, you go after a single source
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<DonkeyHotei>
libv: nes classic and snes classic *were* sold in the us
<libv>
yes, but they were not blocked from selling in the us
<libv>
despite them being gpl violating devices
<libv>
those 3 typed lines on irc should be read as one sentence, it's how malformed it streamed out of my old tired brain :)
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<MoeIcenowy>
no one cares upstream GPL breaks now
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<zoobab>
@libv actually the linux distro I was maintaining back in the days ended up being the first GPL enforcement case in Germany
<zoobab>
" 17 apr 2004 - GPL testing in court by the Netfilter/Iptables team, due to refuse to give source code of the Sitecom WL-122 (isl3893 based!). In the same time, some source code has appeared on the webserver of Sitecom. "