<cladamw_>
except adding this 6.6 mm keep-out ring, I'll also keep J27 away from J21 about 1.5mm and still move to south 1.5 mm. The 0.32 mm you measured was traces in inner layers, but it's very nice a precaution discovery on using keep-out layer to clean. great.
<wpwrak>
cladamw: great. maybe make the ring 7 mm in diameter. that way we can be sure it's large enough, even if something in the process changes slightly
<wpwrak>
and perhaps you want to make all the 7 mm copper
<cladamw>
how about we let all mounting holes with a total 6.5 mm copper and plus 0.5 extra keep-out layer ? then total is 7 mm
<cladamw>
wpwrak, see my last sentences. :-) Is it okay to you? or you want 7 mm copper then we add extra 0.5 mm keep-out layer, so total 7.5 mm for mounting hole dia.
<wpwrak>
roh suggested 7.0 mm minimum and likes 8 mm even better
<wpwrak>
so 7.5 mm would fit that nicely :) do we have enough room ?
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<cladamw>
wpwrak, four corners I think there's no problems for 8 mm, i just want to let J27 with suitable dia and make it reserved to other routes, but overall i think J27 should be also okay for 8 mm in total.
<cladamw>
wpwrak, so let's 7 mm for copper ring and 1 mm for extra keep-out ring
<wpwrak>
yes, there should be enough room for 8 mm around J27
<wpwrak>
"ddrrow" -> "Precharged". that what i call low-level control ;-)
<guyzmo>
o/
<guyzmo>
lekernel - hey, how are you doing ? :)
<guyzmo>
lekernel - I had some adventures working the last version of milkymist (didn't know about the UI changes on right-click/esc keys :-S)
<guyzmo>
lekernel - anyway, things have gone swell, though I only had less than ten vjs that went to see the workshop, and only ~4 did actually try to write FN patches
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<guyzmo>
all were impressed by the realtime-ness of the stuff, but most of them said they don't want it, as their "usual" vj software can do everything that do the MM and more stuff, and they don't care that much about latency... while they did care about writing complicated lines of code to do stuff
<guyzmo>
(one said "I prefer to stick with Puredata programming")
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<guyzmo>
...
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<lekernel>
so, does someone want to begin the development of the "rf reactable" surface?
<guyzmo>
and last thing, they all said it's cool, but it'd be better if it could output HD !
<lekernel>
this I'm on just now
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<guyzmo>
sweet :)
<guyzmo>
so in the end, I'm quite sad to say that I don't think they will buy one
<guyzmo>
to those guys
<guyzmo>
but people working on VJ/video software were interested in the product to integrate it with they software so it can run and control stuff "blindly"
<lekernel>
you mean resolume/modul8/... developers?
<lekernel>
tell them they should instead consider running their software on a milkymist device :)
<guyzmo>
nope, they weren't there, but the milumin dev guy was interested
<guyzmo>
it's a software that helps manage a whole stage scenography
<guyzmo>
yup
<guyzmo>
and there was also some guys working on a 3D mapping software
<guyzmo>
that thought about it for a R&D project they're working on
<guyzmo>
but anyway, I don't think that will end in real stuff
<guyzmo>
and in the end, vision-r people were really nice
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<GitHub91>
[milkymist-ng] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/0VaHeA
<GitHub91>
[milkymist-ng/master] asmicon/multiplexer: fix read tag delay - Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<wpwrak>
guyzmo: code complexity is a bit of an issue indeed. and debugging is also unnecessarily hard at the moment. e.g., you can't trace most variable values and tracing those you can is inconvenient.
<wpwrak>
guyzmo: did you show the M1 with MIDI ? or did you use it just as a non-interactive effect generator ?
<guyzmo>
wpwrak - I did not have a controller, neither did the vision-r guys could give me one
<guyzmo>
but that was not an issue
<guyzmo>
people understood very well how a controller could interact
<guyzmo>
either to switch the effects, or to modify an effect behaviour
<wpwrak>
hmm. seeing is believing, though :)
<wpwrak>
when showing the M1 to friends, the reaction i get is a polite "nice geek gadget. pretty colors." (with a stifled yawn) when i show it just generating things, to "THIS IS SO COOL !" when i just run one patch but with MIDI control
<wpwrak>
i can't imagine that it wouldn;t have a similar effect on more experienced users, too. also, with MIDI, you start to care a bit more about latency :)
<guyzmo>
wpwrak - well, I had the camera on
<guyzmo>
so the "WHOA ! it's fast" effect was there
<guyzmo>
so every time I say something is fast on the MM1, they just then believed me :)
<lekernel>
writes work :)
<lekernel>
we got DRAM
<lekernel>
wpwrak: with the next UI, there shouldn't be any way to run it without controllers ;)
<lekernel>
hmm... should we maintain any current SoC support in Linux?
<lekernel>
or just switch everything to -ng
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<Fallenou>
yes !!!
<Fallenou>
awesome !
<lekernel>
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple of subtle bugs lurking in the darkness though
<Fallenou>
lekernel: I pushed a few commits about exception handling, and I added if (rst_i) in always blocks
<Fallenou>
I will do more intensive testing soon
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<Fallenou>
to check if exception handling is robust
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<lekernel>
or not-so-subtle, eg accesses above 4MB do not work
<Fallenou>
^^
<lekernel>
I suspect this is when crossing a bank boundary ...
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<Hodapp>
it warms my heart that people still exist who care about memory amounts that are less than 4 MB.
<Fallenou>
ahah
<Hodapp>
First programming class in undergrad, I heard plenty of "Why should I care about that? Computers have gigs and gigs of memory."
<lekernel>
this is only true for computers that use DRAM...
<Hodapp>
First engineering job, I was writing for a Cypress PSoC that had RAM measured in kilobytes
<lekernel>
yes :)
<lekernel>
SRAM is extremely expensive
<wpwrak>
Hodapp: my first "home computer" had 1 kB in total. including screen memory :)
<wpwrak>
when your program got too big, you had to sacrifice screen space ..
<Hodapp>
Oh, you had a screen? We used to DREAM of having a screen!
<Hodapp>
lekernel: This is all a bit foreign to me, but I do vaguely recall that DRAM has more complex refresh and access patterns... right?
<lekernel>
among other complexities, yes
<Hodapp>
I've not written enough stuff at this level... I need to.
<lekernel>
essentially, writing a good performance controller for a modern DRAM (>= DDR) will likely make you a FPGA/computer architecture expert
<Hodapp>
Hmmmmmm
<wpwrak>
Hodapp: good one ;-)
<Hodapp>
wpwrak: what, the Monty Python?
<wpwrak>
aye
<Hodapp>
it's one of my favorites
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<wpwrak>
i like the series that goes something like this: when i was a kid, we had to walk 10 km to school each day. through 2 m of snow. barefoot. ... and so on ... uphill. both ways.
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<Hodapp>
there's a Slashdot thread that goes on for like 20 replies like that