#milkymist on 2012-05-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2012-05-22 11:05 lekernel changed the topic of #milkymist to: Milkymist One, Migen, Milkymist SoC & Flickernoise :: Logs: http://en.qi-hardware.com/mmlogs :: Something to do? Port NuttX to Milkymist SoC

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00:41 <wpwrak> roh: hmm, i didn't pay that much attention. could be.

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19:22 <mwalle> screw fdpic..

19:23 <mwalle> just use flat binaries, even linked statically..

19:25 <mwalle> screw the rootfs, just use the flickernoise bianry, brings you the benefits of linux (the kernel).. of course there might be some 'helper' files like /dev ;)

19:25 <mwalle> without any need of an mmu

19:25 <mwalle> of course you still have to fix the scheduler bug ;)

19:26 <mwalle> and replace theobromas signalling code ;)

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21:26 <kristianpaul> flat binary :)

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21:46 <wpwrak> naw, multiple executables are useful. they allows you to break down the monolithic FN into more manageable parts. e.g., you could move the compiler into its own executable.

21:51 <lekernel_> http://www.dz.ee.ethz.ch/en/our-range/background-information/ic-digital-design-flow.html

21:51 <lekernel_> emacs lol

21:51 <mwalle> wpwrak: yeah, but for a start you could squash everything into one binary, just like were doing now, except that the os is also linked to this lib ;)

21:52 <mwalle> wpwrak: that way you can ignore the shared libs with flt binaries for now

21:52 <mwalle> and at that point there may be an mmu ready to use with elf binaries

21:52 <lekernel_> maybe the next mm will use no OS at all ;)

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21:54 <lekernel> mwalle: still want the interrupts in navre by the way?

21:55 <lekernel> don't know if you saw my reply... http://lists.milkymist.org/pipermail/devel-milkymist.org/2012-May/003026.html

21:58 <mwalle> lekernel: yeah saw it, i'll prepare a patch, little time atm

21:58 <mwalle> lekernel: but thanks for the review

21:59 <mwalle> we're planning a move atm ;)

22:00 <lekernel> oh? where?

22:01 <mwalle> not to far away, to saarbrücken city

22:01 <mwalle> 20km from here

22:01 <lekernel> never leave your state heh ;)

22:01 <mwalle> yeah :)

22:07 <mwalle> gn8

22:08 <wpwrak> (emacs) seems a bit lost amidst all the proprietary tools

22:09 <lekernel> gn8

22:15 <wpwrak> hmm ... http://www.dz.ee.ethz.ch/en/our-range/background-information/asic-cost-estimator.html

22:16 <wpwrak> production masks .. 1.75 MUSD

22:17 <wpwrak> "VC purchase and assimilation [USD] *" royalties for the borg ?

22:19 <lekernel> what's VC?

22:21 <lekernel> at least engineers are paid more than managers in this spreadsheet ;)

22:27 <wpwrak> nope. managers make 140 kUSD/yr, engineers only 120 kUSD

22:27 <wpwrak> at least still a quite reasonable difference

22:27 <wpwrak> but perhaps that VC stuff is the management bonus ? :)

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