14:58 <GitHub156> [milkymist-ng] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/k1ydgg

14:58 <GitHub156> milkymist-ng/master 8504313 Sebastien Bourdeauducq: lasmicon: use namedtuple

17:20 <lekernel> _florent_, new FSM API http://pastebin.com/zHEiVNMf

17:20 <lekernel> allows any hashable Python type to be used as state name

17:28 <_florent_> ok I will look at it

17:29 <_florent_> what is it for? ;) generate configurable FSM?

17:32 <lekernel> clean up the redundant/ugly FSM syntax

17:32 <lekernel> ie the state list in the constructor is unnecessary now

17:32 <lekernel> which also simplifies building dynamic FSMs

17:34 <_florent_> ok I see

17:35 <lekernel> there's also an AnonymousState class for those dynamic FSMs

17:36 <lekernel> each instance of it represents a unique state

17:39 <_florent_> coding in VHDL must be a real pain for you that removes the redundancies everywhere ;)

17:41 <lekernel> yeah, VHDL is a terrible language

17:44 <larsc> it's a academic language

17:45 <wpwrak> each language area seems to have its COBOL. protocol specification/modelling has SDL ...

17:46 <larsc> vhdl is the ada of the hdl languages

17:47 <GitHub156> [migen] sbourdeauducq pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/MrxzNA

17:47 <GitHub156> migen/master b56cb3c Sebastien Bourdeauducq: fhdl/verilog: improve error reporting

17:47 <wpwrak> hmm, does that make ADA the COBOL of structured programming ?

17:48 <larsc> and to be honest when compared with verilog I think vhdl is the nicer language

17:48 <wpwrak> i think verilog has the potential of being a great language. it just doesn't use it.

17:50 <larsc> verilog is more of an accident than a language ;)

17:51 <lekernel> lol I missed that out

17:51 <lekernel> http://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/35818.html

17:51 <lekernel> was looking at that MCB_PERFORMANCE option from the LX9 port

17:51 <lekernel> there's really nothing right in the slowtan6

17:59 <lekernel> rjo, hi

17:59 <lekernel> rjo, another thing - Pins(*"H12 G13 E16 E18 K12 K13 F17 F18".split()) would be better written as Pins("H12 G13 E16 E18 K12 K13 F17 F18")

18:00 <lekernel> feel free to send a patch that automatically splits strings containing spaces

18:05 <wpwrak> maybe the true purpose of the spartans is to probe how much xilinx can get away with. then they can permanently lower their standards in future products.

18:07 <lekernel> for a very bad experience with suppliers, try vacuum engineering instead of electronics engineering. for example, here is the email I got today in response a complaint about paying $350 for shipping instead of $180: http://pastebin.com/nHQg7w0V

18:08 <lekernel> and that was the 4th order, the first 3 (at other suppliers) were rejected or ignored

18:09 <wpwrak> probably dual use technology :)

18:11 <larsc> military grade vacuum tubes?

18:11 <lekernel> I'm very skeptical of this "dual use" mentality; there are much easier ways to build bombs etc. that don't involve high vacuum pumps

18:12 <wpwrak> whoops, the whole wall of PRISM control stations just went to red alert

18:13 <larsc> I wonder if there is dual use ferilizer ;)

18:13 <lekernel> larsc, replacement parts for a rotary vane pump, fluid for the same, exhaust oil filter, and some KF25 hardware

18:13 <lekernel> nothing fancy actually

18:14 <larsc> what do you use that stuff for though?

18:14 <lekernel> trying to do this sort of stuff

18:14 <lekernel> http://www.glassartists.org/Gal17751_Plasma_Tubes_and_Sculptures.asp

18:15 <lekernel> http://www.glassartists.org/Gal86717_Blown_Glass_Plasma_Sculptures.asp

18:16 <larsc> interesting

19:42 <lekernel> rjo, so you are building this sort of thing? http://phys.org/news71414204.html

20:08 <davidc__> lekernel: what are you doing with vacuuum gear?

20:09 <davidc__> oh, nevermind