21:04 <ysionneau> lekernel: do you think it's a good process to ask the manufacturing company to give quotation for fixing the layout file + 1 to 10 boards?

21:04 <ysionneau> so that we have the price for 1 2 3 ... 10 boards?

21:04 <ysionneau> or will I sound ridiculous?

21:05 <ysionneau> btw I agree about the possibility to use Mixxeo for those who don't want Flickernoise

21:05 <ysionneau> I plan on doing a doodle and let people choose between the two

21:30 <davidc__> BTW - what exactly is wrong with the layout/altium files?

21:31 <lekernel> it's probably bothersome to prepare 10 quotes...

21:34 <davidc__> get them to quote you as setup+per/unit

21:35 <wpwrak> davidc__: the reset circuit is wrong. there are two main changes: one replaces a dodgy diode with a logic gate. the other replaces the reset chip with one that triggers at a higher voltage (and connects it to a different rail)

21:35 <davidc__> wpwrak: I mean, thats a 5 minute fix in altium, out of curiosity, why get the MFG company to fix it?

21:37 <wpwrak> (regarding the need for a layout change) i'm not sure you really need to fix the diode. the reset chip can also be reworked: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/m1/nor/d8/u24-to-5V.jpg

21:38 <lekernel> davidc__, the way the M1 design was done is schematics in Altium, then routing in PADS

21:38 <wpwrak> (there's a little PCB under the new chip that isolates the 3rd pin from the rail it previously connected to and attaches with the yellow wire to the proper rail)

21:38 <davidc__> lekernel: ah, yuck.

21:38 <lekernel> then the PADS layout was exported to correct Gerber files for production, and broken Altium files for pretending it was an Altium project

21:39 <wpwrak> ;-))

21:39 <wpwrak> that's what you get for relying on proprietary tools - effortless instant fragmentation :)

21:39 <lekernel> I don't have the PADS files, and Wolfgang ignored my emails asking for them

21:39 <davidc__> lekernel: the Altium gerber editor could probably be used to make the changes

21:39 <davidc__> lekernel: editing gerbers = yuck, but eh.

21:39 <lekernel> I didn't know of this PADS step before I tried to use the Altium files, and Creotech told me they looked like a botched PADS conversion

21:40 <lekernel> and after checking - the Gerber files had comments that said they were generated by PADS ...

21:43 <ysionneau> 22:34 < davidc__> get them to quote you as setup+per/unit < so you take for granted that the unit price would not change between 1 and 10 boards?

21:44 <davidc__> ysionneau: low volumes like that the cost is typically dominated by the setup cost

21:46 <ysionneau> ok

21:46 <davidc__> ysionneau: depends on the mfg. I mean, just tell the MFG you want the quote broken down that way and why and they'll tell you if you're making a wrong assumption :P

21:56 <davidc__> are the unpatched gerbers + the broken altium project somewhere?

21:58 <lekernel> http://milkymist.org/mmone/rc3_design.tar.bz2

21:58 <lekernel> http://milkymist.org/mmone/rc3_gerber.tar.bz2

22:00 <lekernel> and r4 (never manufactured, but used as base for mixxeo): http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/hardware/milkymist_one/sch/20120710/

22:13 <ysionneau> gn8!

22:39 <mumptai> lekernel, why was routing done in PADS?

22:40 <lekernel> I don't know, email Wolfgang

22:40 <lekernel> reply not guaranteed

22:40 <mumptai> k

22:41 <lekernel> let me know if you get an answer, I'm asking myself the same question

22:42 <lekernel> that and why I had never heard of this PADS thing before attempting to use the Altium files

22:42 <mumptai> actually mm1 doesn't look too complex for altium

22:46 <mumptai> did that kicad design work out?