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<bencoh> oooh, that's even nicer than what I saw in Terminal.app :)
<bencoh> awesome indeed
<Pali> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ▄︻̷̿┻̿═━一
<Pali> :D
<bencoh> :-))
<DocScrutinizer05> System Dong_______________________________ ?
<bencoh> damn, Pali was the hitman mandated to stop lennart!
<DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd
<infobot> systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel, or see http://boycottsystemd.org/, or http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ https://devuan.org
<DocScrutinizer05> dang, that's already max length
<bencoh> :D
<DocScrutinizer05> would have liked to add http://privatepaste.com/212bdba1c3
<DocScrutinizer05> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Dong_Silver as well
<DocScrutinizer05> ,eh
<DocScrutinizer05> ~System Dong is http://privatepaste.com/212bdba1c3 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Dong_Silver or see ~systemd
<infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm, seems Hetzner is quite busy with maintenance today, so dunno if it's vHost891 that's the problem, or our server, or even Hetzner network
<bencoh> traceroute stops at hos-tr1.ms-ex3k1.rz16.hetzner.de
<DocScrutinizer05> aaah thanks
<DocScrutinizer05> I don't feel up to dealing with it right now anyway
<DocScrutinizer05> https://robot.your-server.de/server says it's "active", whatever that means
* DocScrutinizer05 heads out for bed and TV
<DocScrutinizer05> o/
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<DocScrutinizer05> WTF?! sth killed maemo xchat
<DocScrutinizer05> I blame pali and his ascii graphics :-P
<DocScrutinizer05> guess what's last line in /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/#neo900.txt
<DocScrutinizer05> pali has reproduced the age old bug in xchat
<DocScrutinizer05> I thiught somebody fixed that stuff in gtk
<DocScrutinizer05> for your convenience when you happen to use maemo xchat:
<DocScrutinizer05> cp /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/#neo900.txt /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/#neo900.txt~; head -n -1 /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/#neo900.txt~ >/home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/#neo900.txt
<DocScrutinizer05> after that command xchat will no longer segfault 0.5s after startup
<DocScrutinizer05> honestly, xchat, really now? why the heck you log that line to scrollback before you segfault?
<DocScrutinizer05> btw anybody posting that line again gets kicked
<MonkeyofDoom> xchat is a piece of shit
<MonkeyofDoom> fwiw
<DocScrutinizer05> no, this is actually gtk
<MonkeyofDoom> gtk has plenty of its own bugs, sure
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<MonkeyofDoom> hm, the cheeks on that fellow look like eyebrows here
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry
<DocScrutinizer05> you'll need to adapt /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/znc/... to whatever fits your config
<DocScrutinizer05> prolly /home/user/.xchat2/scrollback/freenode/...
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway here we had the same: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh
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<useretail> hey there. how to view current sip login info located at /home/user/.signon/user_db.xml ?
<DocScrutinizer05> useretail: hmm, sorry. Maybe http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1159
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<useretail> nothing new. any ideas what encryption is used?
<fling> Will you guys add some news to the webpage?
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<jonwil> hi
<DocScrutinizer05> Pali: please check backscroll!
<DocScrutinizer05> err chanlog
<DocScrutinizer05> you found (or re-animated) a bug in xchat
<DocScrutinizer05> or rather in gtk iirc
<DocScrutinizer05> hi jonwil
<DocScrutinizer05> fling: sorry, our webmaster dos1 isn't active and I lack the competence to maintain the website
<jonwil> how does the neo900 work these days?
<DocScrutinizer05> fling: I know I need to do sth about that, alas I have no idea what
<DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: I'm still not at all up to 100% performance, but we nevertheless managed to make 512MB of the 1GB RAM PoP work, and I hope for the remaining 2nd bank to get reported as working (after resoldering SYSBOOTn jumpers on the BB-xM) any day
<jonwil> thats great
<jonwil> what about the software stack, has there been any useful progress on that lately?
<DocScrutinizer05> I also am about to secure a presumably sufficient number of N900 to revamp
<DocScrutinizer05> well, the 1GB issue is about sw stack a bit. For the rest - that's Pali's and freemangordon's domain
<jonwil> despite a few minor cosmetic things and the occasional "no SIM" error that requires me to reboot my phone, my N900 continues to soldier on as my daily-use phone :)
<bencoh> jonwil: switching to offline mode is not enough to make the SIM error go away ?
<jonwil> nope
<bencoh> did you try to bend the SIM cover and/or put a piece of paper ?
<jonwil> That I didn't
<jonwil> but I will try that next time it happens
<jonwil> try the "put pressure on the SIM to hold it in place" thing
<bencoh> :)
<DocScrutinizer05> bending the PCB is exactly what triggers the problem (snapped open BGA ball solderpoints on modem) to begin with
<bencoh> not the PCB oO
<DocScrutinizer05> SIM and SIM-tray are not the culprit regularly
<DocScrutinizer05> occasionally the SIM contacts (pads) canuse some cleaning
<DocScrutinizer05> for that I recommend unvarnished carton
<DocScrutinizer05> and thorough wiping
<DocScrutinizer05> carefull wiping of the contact springs in SIMtray also OK
<DocScrutinizer05> take care not to bend those
<jonwil> Sounds like what happened to one of my chip bank cards where the contacts on the card wore out and the thing wouldn't read in terminals reliably and I had to get the bank to send me a new card
<DocScrutinizer05> (shouldn't be a problem unless you can't fill spaghetti into a pot without breaking them)
<DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: on bank cards contact surface may wear out, yes. On SIM it's commonly just dirt that collects
<jonwil> ok
<jonwil> In any case it doesn't happen very often, if it happens again I will try to deal with it
<jonwil> At least I dont have the dreaded usb-port-of-doom on this particular N900 with my port holding up just fine
<DocScrutinizer05> mind you, the SIM is sitting there often for years and never gets significantly moved
<DocScrutinizer05> the usual "No SIM" error however is caused by midem chip popping off the PCB when pressure to the kbd keys bends the PCB
<DocScrutinizer05> modem*
<DocScrutinizer05> see "spring fix"
<DocScrutinizer05> which tries (and for some time usually succeeds) to fix the issue by adding springs into the cans that press down the modem chip and companion chips
<fling> DocScrutinizer05: I'd like to help you uploading new content there. Or to setup some kind of automation for you.
<fling> DocScrutinizer05: so you will be able to post news/updates the easy way.
<fling> This is what most interested people want to see on the site.
<DocScrutinizer05> fling: yes, I know we oughta have way more updates, the website is out of date since November
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks for offering help, I need to think about how to implement it
<DocScrutinizer05> the problem is I myself don't really grok what's going on on the server
<DocScrutinizer05> it's been dos1 who administrated it
<fling> DocScrutinizer05: What actually happened to dos1?
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<DocScrutinizer05> dos1: I think that's up to you to answer. Also could you maybe consider how to allow e.g. fling to help with server admin and website update?
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<DocScrutinizer05> ((<fling> DocScrutinizer05: so you will be able to post news/updates the easy way.)) it's not only the upload, somebody also has to redact that stuff. I'm an abysmal writer, and I'm busy with other stuff es well
<DocScrutinizer05> maybe we need a newsletter team that's not encumbered with workload about R&D and orga, just does a weekly summary e.g. like https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/home. We could publish the news/summaries on neo900.org website (when we find a way to upload), and I can help by sharing facts and answering questions - just like I already do
<DocScrutinizer05> Oksana already did some work similar to this. I think you folks could easily build up an anarchic team with somebody doing the merging and redaction of contributions, and finally the stuff gets published via neo900.org
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<DocScrutinizer05> jonwil: (spring fix) terribly bitrotten (thanks to imageshack) tmo thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80759
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<DocScrutinizer05> oops maybe not the ideal thread
<DocScrutinizer05> LOL! of course when your SIM looks like *this one*, you don't need to wonder why you got problems: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1340240#post1340240
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<kerio> "I have a slightly thin SIM card, with a little bent chip"
<kerio> i dunno dude
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<DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys SIM
<infobot> Factoid search of 'SIM' by key (10 of 92): abrasimn ;; annoy simonrvn ;; another simple prob with his design ;; be simonrvn barbie ;; cmd: assimilate (.*?) ;; http://www.simtec.co.uk/sa110eval.php ;; i don't have the answers, i'm simply saying there ;; i'm wondering how similar the tuxscreen ;; jargon pessimal ;; jargon pessimizing compiler.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~no sim
<infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
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<DocScrutinizer51> xchat-n900 late silly pro tip: "show user list" has hotkey ctrl-F7. Now it happens that Vol+ *is* F7
<DocScrutinizer51> funny enough sh+F7 causes segfault
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<ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; ya, it was mentioned in the original forum thread. :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> Pali: looks like sth I'd prefer not to touch
<DocScrutinizer05> to be more specific I hope we never will need this or any similar file
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<freemangordon> Pali: yes
<freemangordon> Pali: that comes from n9 kernel afaik
<Pali> yes, that branch is harmattan kernel
<freemangordon> unfortunately we can't have much usage of it, as we miss the signing key :(
<freemangordon> Pali: otherwise we could write an PPA and call it from the aes driver to enable whatever needed from the secure world :)
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<freemangordon> well, not PPA, but PA
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<DocScrutinizer05> ~ppa
<DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki ppa
<infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPA (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'PPA' may refer to: * US Pension Protection Act of 2006 * Point pattern analysis * Pollution Prevention Act of 1990, U.S. federal law * PPA (complexity), a class of search problems * Purchase price allocation {{TOC right}} * Palpatio per anum Latin medical term for a rectal examination. * Parahippocampal place area located within the parahippocampal gyrus * Phenylpropanolamine * Primary ...
<freemangordon> Primary Protected Application
<DocScrutinizer05> ta
<DocScrutinizer05> though I like some of the wiki definitions ;-D
<DocScrutinizer05> and I first time in my life considered and understood what's the meaning/origin of hippotalamus
<DocScrutinizer05> err hippocampus
<DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki talamus
<infobot> I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=talamus&go=Go
<DocScrutinizer05> ouch! Hypothalamus
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess it shows that I never studied Latin
<DocScrutinizer05> nor Greek ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> nor medicine or humane biology
<DocScrutinizer05> and prollly somethin gmixed up in my head with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippopotamus#mediaviewer/File:Hippopotamus_-_04.jpg
<bencoh> ...right :)
* DocScrutinizer05 listens to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FyLcHxbSRk
<freemangordon> Pali: well, seems like harmattan kernel does exactly that - it loads a couple of PAs and calls them. see what is in /lib/firmware on your n950 :)
<Pali> freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/v4EzjP7P
<Pali> looks like there are lot of omap3_pa_*.patch
<freemangordon> yep, all those _pa_ bin files are actually PAs
<freemangordon> and I guess _pub_ are the public keys
<freemangordon> fmt files describe the layout of the _pa_ files
<freemangordon> (there is pa.c/.h in plat/ which groks that format)
<freemangordon> well, seems like all variants share the same public key, just different version (?) and ofc signature
* freemangordon checks if the public on n900 is the same
<DocScrutinizer05> o.O
<freemangordon> seems like no :(
<Pali> freemangordon: I pushed some patches to linux-n900 tree
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<Pali> some fixed for omap hwmod, crypto (I believe I did not break n900 without special x-loader) and qemu ethernet support!
<freemangordon> Pali: great. unfortunately I am going on a holiday starting tomorrow and will be MIA for the next 10 days :)
<Pali> ok
<Pali> I will wait until Linus merge big media tree into mainline
<Pali> there are prepared fixes for smiapp driver (front webcam)
<Pali> maybe it starts working again...
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