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<dbdeuce>
man, those guys are obtuse...
<dbdeuce>
"As my colleagues has assure you, the payment is completed and Neo900 UG has received the money."
<dbdeuce>
"If there is a problem on their account, then they will have to contact their PayPal customer support if they need any advise on how to solve the problem."
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<dbdeuce>
I call it quits for now and won't contact them again
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<enyc>
dbdeuce: understandabel ,though i think it will take somebody pestering financial regulator or so to change this.
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<DocScrutinizer51>
it's PP risk management to 'fix' the insane reserve. The will see all customer complaints and each single one will help to convince them that Neo900 UG is crowdfunding and not cards presale
<DocScrutinizer51>
technically what PP tells our customers is correct
<DocScrutinizer51>
only I can dispute the reserve on my account, but I appreciate each customer's complaint supporting my point
<DocScrutinizer51>
next week we'll know more, so please stay tuned at least 3 more days
<wpwrak>
i wonder if we shouldn't hold complaints to PayPay until DocScrutinizer51 had a chance to check his mail
<DocScrutinizer51>
crazy critters (camarones) with errr word... 'sensors' 4 times length of body
<wpwrak>
(i.e., next monday)
<DocScrutinizer51>
nah
<DocScrutinizer51>
PP has to cope with complaints
<wpwrak>
:)
<DocScrutinizer51>
it's their fault anyway, and no negative effects to UG expected
<DocScrutinizer51>
r or 5 or even 6 times
<DocScrutinizer51>
5*
<DocScrutinizer51>
meh
<DocScrutinizer51>
you damn sure must not be hungry to eat those
<wpwrak>
and already on the 21st day of his vacations, joerg finds out about the local cuisine ;-)
<wpwrak>
but it is indeed shocking that, on a small mountainous island, they would eat strange sea stuff and not, say, have soy plantations :-)
<DocScrutinizer51>
nah, I know those lil shrimps since ages
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: what on earth are you eating?
<DocScrutinizer51>
but those tentacles are amazing, and they got way more than just 2 of them
<Arch-TK>
There seems to be more tentacle than shrimp.
<DocScrutinizer51>
camarones aka shrimps
<Arch-TK>
Or "camerons" as I read it.
<Arch-TK>
As in, David Cameron
<Arch-TK>
I would be quite tempted to bite his head of if he was the size of a shrimp.
<DocScrutinizer51>
I just asked the very frienly german waitress about what I should have done (not miss) before leaving the island in 36h. She not only gave me a trester (missing english word) dubbed parra (brute stuff) but she also recommended goose meat
<DocScrutinizer51>
Arch-TK: it takes 15s to eat ~0.5g of shrimp meat
<DocScrutinizer51>
unless you eat the crunchy skin too ;)
<Arch-TK>
That's almost as bad as sunflower seeds (in the seed pods)
<DocScrutinizer51>
tear off the head with tentakles (please could some good soul help me out with the correct name or those?) is a matter of 0.5s, but peeling off (or spitting out) the skin is a mess
<DocScrutinizer51>
Arch-TK: sunflower seeds are easier to eat
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<wpwrak>
not to mention a nice steak ;-)
<DocScrutinizer51>
particularly you don't need two hands and all the mess
<Arch-TK>
I imagine, but I never mastered the amazing speed with which some people can eat them.
<DocScrutinizer51>
hi jonsger
<Arch-TK>
I have to spend maybe 10 seconds a seed just to get the tiniest piece of seed.
<Arch-TK>
I know people who can do it in one second without ever needing to use their fingers.
<DocScrutinizer51>
err hi jonwil
<jonwil>
hi
<DocScrutinizer51>
ok, sunflower seeds I can eat 15 a minute
<wpwrak>
Arch-TK: i think the idea is that you crack it open in your mouth and spit out the shell
<wpwrak>
else, it wouldn't make much sense so salt the critters ...
<DocScrutinizer51>
no, spitting is not 'profwessional'
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer51: i guess the pros just swallow them whole :)
<Arch-TK>
wpwrak: no, these people hold the seed vertically (pointing into the mouth) then crush the back of the seed, crush the middle of the seed and in the action of crushing the middle part, use their teeth to bite down (lightly) on the seed and pull it out.
<Arch-TK>
At least, that's what it sounds like and that's as close as I've ever gotten to such speedy seed extraction.
<DocScrutinizer51>
you hold the skin(?) with fingernails and bite-open the seed
<Arch-TK>
I never quite knew why they were salted.
<wpwrak>
so much work :)
<DocScrutinizer51>
or what Arch-TK said
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<Arch-TK>
by crushing it while it's vertical, the seed usually splits perfectly down the middle, the sides bend, and in the process, splay apart presenting just the seed.
<Arch-TK>
but even then I could never get it to happen 100% of the time
<Arch-TK>
Nobody here in the UK eats sunflower seeds.
<Arch-TK>
But in Poland, most of my family seemed to.
<DocScrutinizer51>
pumkin seeds are also nice
<DocScrutinizer51>
Arch-TK: exactly
<DocScrutinizer51>
you need to point the pinpointed end into mouth
<DocScrutinizer51>
100 percent not needed. 90 to 95 ok
<Arch-TK>
But yes, as they would eat it, you would hear: "crack, crack" and then onto the next one.
<DocScrutinizer51>
turkish guys eat sunflowr or pumkin all the time. And the greek too
<DocScrutinizer51>
yes, crrk crrk. next crrk crrk. 15 per minute, while watching good TV. ... me
* Arch-TK
has been reading nineteen-eighty-four
<DocScrutinizer51>
hmmm hows that related?
<Arch-TK>
I have no idea, but it came into my mind, I guess the idea that most of the time I would see people studying or reading and eating sunflower seeds.
<Arch-TK>
But on that same unrelated note, it's a very good book.
<DocScrutinizer51>
yes
<DocScrutinizer51>
though today the 'dark side' is more subtle and 1984 is like ancient tales
<enyc>
=)
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<DocScrutinizer51>
1948 (year he wrote the book) everybody thought you need to force the fools to comply with the system. Since facebook we learned they love to cooperate deliberately
<Arch-TK>
It's amazing how these days people are willing to simply wilfully give up their privacy simply for some small benefit.
<Arch-TK>
I doubt George Orwell could have ever possibly predicted such a bizarre concept.
<xman>
Arch-TK: Preach it baby!!
<DocScrutinizer51>
:D
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<xman>
We really don't know how all this data collect will help or harm us later. But those DNA collection sites are starting to be used by police for cold cases.
<Arch-TK>
I get weird looks when I say I don't use facebook, it is indeed a weird world we live in.
<DocScrutinizer51>
I know this 'data coolect' won't help me any time on my own person - might use it to find out about $whatever of my next business partner
<DocScrutinizer51>
coolect, cool. I keep the copyright
<xman>
Yeah, I get the same facebook reaction too. they just communicate through my friends :( ..I hate that … like my phone, email have disappeared.
<DocScrutinizer51>
last night I discussed with german CCC members about jobs where you need to disclose your FB password. I asked what the deal with people like me who ever got a FB account
<Arch-TK>
Oh I use email, but I run my own server, although I don't really know how much I can trust my VPS provider.
<Arch-TK>
At least their terms of service don't state "We can look at all your data at any time and do whatever with it"
<Arch-TK>
But even then, thankfully there is GPG
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<DocScrutinizer51>
would you galls and guys like Neo900 UG to run a *service* ?
<Arch-TK>
a *service*
<Arch-TK>
what?
<DocScrutinizer51>
like VPN and email and $younameit
<Arch-TK>
what for?
<DocScrutinizer51>
your own tiny ssh user account on a German Linux system
<Arch-TK>
:P
<Arch-TK>
Oh.
<Arch-TK>
Ok*
<DocScrutinizer51>
for ZNC for example
<Arch-TK>
But I already have 2 VPS, another VPS I have access to (which hosts ZNC for me) and a box at home which I use as another VPS.
<Arch-TK>
well, it's not virtual, but as a PS I guess
<DocScrutinizer51>
I could run a server and the only person you need to trust is me (and my expertise)
<DocScrutinizer51>
I'll come up with sth tangible next 14 days
<jonwil>
If any employer (or potential employer) asked me for my facebook password I would tell them that I dont have a facebook account
<jonwil>
Then I would tell them that I refuse to work with any employer that wants to invade my privacy in that way and leave
<Arch-TK>
jonwil: Why would they ask for the password?
<jonwil>
Dont know, Doc mentioned it
<xman>
jonwil: I may tell them to shove it. And look for another company
<DocScrutinizer51>
I think for @5 bucks per month you can do a friggin lot when more than 20 peers join in
<xman>
It's happen for some jobs
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: $5 is quite a good deal
<DocScrutinizer51>
jonwil: me too. sure like fire in hell
<DocScrutinizer51>
:)
<DocScrutinizer51>
I think we could start a nice concept that might fly
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: Then again I have a cloud at cost for $3 per year :P 493 MiB of ram and a core of some 1GhZ thing.
<Arch-TK>
and I managed to install arch on it
<Arch-TK>
which makes it just bearable in terms of performance.
<DocScrutinizer51>
sure. 'evertbody' has
<DocScrutinizer51>
yhe question is about cooperation
<DocScrutinizer51>
I can do -some_ very basic things
<DocScrutinizer51>
VPN is a start
<Arch-TK>
If you need a sysadmin willing (probably) to work for minimal wage, I know a guy.
<DocScrutinizer51>
good
<Arch-TK>
He's fresh out of studying, knows his stuff but is having trouble finding a job.
<DocScrutinizer51>
I cant pay for now
<Arch-TK>
:P
<DocScrutinizer51>
the idea is to start a movement that pays off when 10E5 + joined
<DocScrutinizer51>
for now it's a peers' web of trust
<Arch-TK>
This sounds like just the kind of crazy/great idea paypal would love to shit all over.
<DocScrutinizer51>
luckily I know what to think of PP
<DocScrutinizer51>
and we won't need it now
<Arch-TK>
You could create a peer based payment system which relies ... wait that's bitcoin.
<Arch-TK>
It's impressive how absolutely unstable bitcoin seems to be.
<Arch-TK>
Or maybe I'm just not used to stock markets.
* Arch-TK
has considered investing some money in bitcoin to cash in on any potential late 2013 style spikes.
<Arch-TK>
for the past 4 months it has been going up quite steadily, in fact, a 200% increase in value.
<Arch-TK>
In fact, if I had actually bought some at the start of this month, it would have rose in value by almost 30%
<edwin>
would this service be tied to owning a neo900?
<edwin>
or rather would there be anythinig could you could do with a neo900 and that service?
<Arch-TK>
edwin: I imagine that considering the neo900 is being made to be literally a smaller laptop with a GSM modem on the motherboard, you can do anything.
<DocScrutinizer51>
I had a connectivity dropout
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: did you miss anything?
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<DocScrutinizer51>
how would I know?
<DocScrutinizer51>
anyway my BL-5J makes BME playback funny sounds. Need to go afk until abck 'home'
<DocScrutinizer51>
ok, I will charge battery and then check
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<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: the thing is quite clunky, and seems entirely out of the question for most people, but for the few people that want it, it's a great buy, it's pretty much just like the neo900 project, it's a open source laptop, from the case through to the motherboard
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer51: It seems like it had shitloads of features in lots of tech related news and information outlets
<xman>
try the search on startpage.com it uses goggle results.
<jonwil>
going to see if my self-compiled microb-engine might be at fault (by switching back to stock microb-engine temporarily for testing)
<DocScrutinizer51>
drrrf
<xman>
I see, well as our machine get older the browser has slowed down from all the JS and other new trends. Who know what they've done on the backend.
<DocScrutinizer51>
errr even
<xman>
jonwil: self compiled nice. Good place to start for sure.
<DocScrutinizer51>
never mind
<jonwil>
ok, lets reboot the phone (reboot command is great for that instead of powering off and on again) and see if switching back to stock everything has helped
<jonwil>
nope, that rules out the self-compiled microb-engine
<jonwil>
its still failing with the same error on a stock setup (i.e. mp-fremantle-generic-pr installed and all versions of software matching the ones that package references)
<DocScrutinizer51>
sorry you lodt me
<jonwil>
I tried with stock microb-engine rather than my locally compiled version and the error still appears
<xman>
Too bad, that would have been at less work to track down
<jonwil>
so that rules out both my local compile and anything extra in the CSSU microb-engine repo
<xman>
Have you tried any other browser?
<xman>
Btw, your probably way more experience than me, so tell me to go fly a kit if you need … :D
<jonwil>
I dont have any other browser on my N900
<xman>
I guess I mean there are a few (they all have there own issues) you could install that you could just see. But perhaps it not the best approuch to see if the phone can handle it still … which it should.
<xman>
I could try it on mine if you like
<DocScrutinizer51>
nfc what U R talking about. But rogue wensites that fuckup Uf PC browser...
<DocScrutinizer51>
sory ziamm afk. I might engage and tey to help at bleeding front starting from 21st late night
<DocScrutinizer51>
nevermind I'm in holiday for another 36h