01:36 <Oksana> DocScrutinizer05: I am guessing that I would need to switch off N900 (and possibly take out the battery?) before removing antenna and seeing the state of contact point with the C-spring. Or would it be sufficient to go into offline mode instead of switching off N900?..

02:54 <Joerg-Neo900> the latter, as long as you manage to remove antenna without complete assembly

02:54 <Joerg-Neo900> Oksana: ^^^

02:56 <Joerg-Neo900> and thanks for your reasonable post on some pretty emotional rant thread. What a silly idea to nuke parts of a forum because ... yeah why? Because some dude doesn't want to see it anymore? Then I'd suggest not looking that direction

02:58 <Joerg-Neo900> you as well could ask for complete tmo getting binned because nobody using Tor can visit it

14:24 <paul_boddie> "What a silly idea to nuke parts of a forum because ... yeah why? Because some dude doesn't want to see it anymore?"

14:25 <paul_boddie> That would be the buffoon who moaned and nagged about Neo900 "needing" to use PayPal, I guess.

14:26 <paul_boddie> It's really unfortunate to hear that the plans with PIA didn't lead anywhere in the end.

15:48 <Joerg-Neo900> EU legislation regulates call pricing: max 0.19€/minute for *any* calls in EU to/from cellphones, max 0.06€ per 160char SMS. In effect today

15:48 <Joerg-Neo900> paul_boddie: (unfortunate) yeah

15:49 <paul_boddie> About pricing: about <insert expletive> time. Shame that the operators all target "data whales" with their products now, though.

15:50 <paul_boddie> I got into a rant about Free Software on mobile again recently. It doesn't help that I was looking at viable phones and found practically zero.

15:51 <paul_boddie> One vendor that came up in discussion was this one: https://www.shiftphones.com/

15:51 <paul_boddie> Like Fairphone but German and still learning the same lessons about the software, it seems.

15:53 <paul_boddie> Really disheartening to find that the best the glorious market has to offer is something that *maybe* runs LineageOS if the planets are in alignment.

16:16 <dazinism> Maybe worth checking out new wave of AOSP forks GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, HashbangOS and RattlesnakeOS

16:18 <dazinism> Currently only on Pixel phones, but CalyxOS is working on support for Mi A2 & GrapheneOS hopes to also support a less expensive phone soon(ish?)

16:19 <paul_boddie> The problem is that few of these Android forks ever really get beyond Pixel support, as far as I can tell.

16:21 <paul_boddie> So there's a brief flash of relevant premium product support and then browsing these Web sites is like looking at a museum catalogue.

16:21 <paul_boddie> Admittedly, Mi A2 is not premium, but then one reads all sorts of things about Xiaomi, unlocking, unhappy customers, and so on.

16:21 <dazinism> All these require phones that get regular security updates from phone vendor and device support for verified boot with an alternative OS

16:22 <paul_boddie> Yes, if it isn't one thing then it's another. The planets must be in alignment.

16:22 <dazinism> Not many phones offer this. Android One phones bring a commitment from manufacturers for regular updates

16:24 <paul_boddie> I guess Android One is another Google figleaf, covering over the unsustainability of the mobile industry.

16:25 <dazinism> > The planets must be in alignment.

16:25 <dazinism> Need to buy the right device

16:25 <paul_boddie> (Honest speculation: I don't follow Android development.)

16:25 <paul_boddie> What is the right device? Honest question.

16:25 <dazinism> The pixel 3a makes price a bit more affordable. So far none of these OSs support them, but I expect it will come.

16:26 <dazinism> Guess need to watch these OSs and see what devices get support.

16:27 <paul_boddie> Pixel devices aren't available where I live: it's all Google Home Surveillance.

16:28 <dazinism> I think android one is a genuine attempt to provide less rubbish android devices.

16:28 <paul_boddie> $399, apparently. Well, not the usual gold-plated stuff, I suppose.

16:29 <paul_boddie> I think that if anything from Google were genuine, they would decisively deal with the unsustainable software and hardware stack.

16:29 <paul_boddie> But I imagine that they just find a way for the SoC vendors to deploy their blobs for a bit longer than usual.

16:34 <paul_boddie> Still, if any of the open hardware phone projects succeeds, even without a full software stack, maybe that will provide a workable platform for general software development.

17:49 <clapont> hi, everyone!