00:47 <Oksana> drathir_tor: Depends on how it is done. If there is a separate memory card for photographs (with a direct bus from camera to card?), a separate memory card for map and navigation, a separate memory card for music and videos (with a direct bus from card to radio/Bluetooth/audio ports?)

21:35 <ShadowJK> Oksana, as an almost 40 year old noticing vision is getting worse, I'm finding it hard to accept that I need different glasses for viewing things at different distances

21:35 <ShadowJK> I'm kinda wondering why the hell nobody has ever solved this problem already

21:36 <ShadowJK> Is it just that most people face these things so early in life that they just accept it as inevitable and impossible to change?

21:37 <ShadowJK> It would be super cool to have some sort of "fluid" lenses that can alter shape in real time based on eye tracking interpreting the viewing distance

21:37 <ShadowJK> In hte meantime, I'm seriously considering ordering "adjustable focus" eyeglasses off of eyebay.

21:37 <ShadowJK> Adjustable in the sense that there's a mechanical slider.

21:38 <ShadowJK> On a sidenote,

21:39 <ShadowJK> A lot of people complain about the lack of resolution of VR glasses like Quest

21:39 <ShadowJK> What bothers me more are the distortions caused by the lens system in it

21:40 <ShadowJK> When I bring it up other people just say "Oh I'm so used to chromatic aberration in my peripheral vision because of my contact lenses // glasses anyway"

21:41 <ShadowJK> The VR glasses reduce resolution in all sorts of ways in the periphery, and it bothers me immensely, my eyes like physically hurt because of it, because it looks just like when there's sand in eyes or whatever

21:42 <ShadowJK> The sensation of physical pain is entirely imaginary, of course, because my brain is trained to think that the only reason for blurry peripheral vision must be sand/crap/grit in the eye

21:42 <ShadowJK> Sorry for the off topic rant.

21:43 <sixwheeledbeast> long sightedness and short sightedness are two different issues within the eye if you can get used to them a decent pair of varifocals are an option.

21:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I mean in the future some AF lens like a camera maybe possible but expensive and easily damaged.

21:47 <ShadowJK> That's the kind of thing I mean, why do I have to adapt to a pair of eyeglasses and learn which direction to point my eyeballs in order to get things in focus, when it could be the other way and the glases could adjust their lenses to compensate for where I am looking

21:48 <sicelo> what can/should those of use still with 'good' eyesight do to avoid this?

21:48 <sicelo> s/use/us/

21:49 <ShadowJK> I still count myself to the people with "good eyesight", and I'm not sure

21:49 <ShadowJK> But basically the "missing part" seems to be eye-tracking that not only tracks where you are looking, but also tracks the depth of where you are looking

21:50 <ShadowJK> tracking how far away something is that you are looking at

21:51 <ShadowJK> Since variable-focus lenses already exist, it would be a question of taking the "distance" factor from eye tracking and feeding it to the lens, making the lens change focus to a distance your eyes can actually focus to, and preferably not change that too often, because it would get tiresome to constantly track a tiny change in distance with your eyes

21:53 <sixwheeledbeast> short sightedness is normally an issue with your eyes shape that becomes noticeable in adolescence, longsightness is an age thing and the muscles become tired and not able so pull tight enough to focus close.

21:54 <ShadowJK> ( The oculus quest VR glasses have some sort of "varifocal" lenses, in that things further up and down appear at different distances with regard to focus, and you're suppsoed to adjust them up and down to find the optimal position on your head for focus, but I'm so annoyed with it because it means that there's like 15% of the field of view that is in focus and the rest is out of focus)

21:55 <ShadowJK> And as the years go by, the muscles in my eyes will get lazier, and the range of distances I will be able to focus on will continue to shrink :(

21:57 <sixwheeledbeast> AF in cameras use data from the image sensor but if your eyes are the sensor then that means you need other options for distance and calibration to your eyesight.

21:57 <ShadowJK> I realize the "dumb" solution to automatically adjusting eyeglases would just be to wear something like VR glasses coupled with a pair of cameras that focuses on things based on how "wide" or "narrow" eyes point

21:57 <sixwheeledbeast> but VR screen are close to the eye so would be an issue?

21:58 <ShadowJK> They have lenses to create a "virtual" focus point at about a metre away or so

21:58 <sixwheeledbeast> I have fortunately not got to that point in needing correction for reading.

21:59 <sixwheeledbeast> yet

21:59 <ShadowJK> So if you can focus eyesight at something a metre away, you can use VR glasses

21:59 <sixwheeledbeast> some people like wearing contacts to solve one and then reading glasses

22:00 <ShadowJK> Yes I know, my boss has like +3 lenses in his left eye and -4 in his right eye, or something like that

22:00 <ShadowJK> it would drive me crazy

22:00 <ShadowJK> (so basically one eye is for near and other eye is for far)

22:00 <sixwheeledbeast> I am not fond of poking about in my eyes tbh

22:01 <ShadowJK> So imagine the distance between your eyes is 10cm, if you are looking at an object that is also 10cm away, your eyes will be pointing "inward" by quite alot

22:02 <ShadowJK> Imagine if eye tracking could measure how much "inward" your eyes are pointing, and from that determine that distance to the object that you are viewing

22:02 <ShadowJK> Imagine if the lenses in your eyeglases could change shape in realtime

22:02 <sixwheeledbeast> even so I don't think you can rely on that for focusing

22:03 <ShadowJK> I would hope it would be better than having two fixed-focus alternatives (eye glasses on, eye glasses off)

22:03 <sixwheeledbeast> It would be a nice though tho but I think we have such a simple affordable option tech like that will be decades away

22:04 <ShadowJK> Bonus points, I guess, for an embeddeable sensor near the eye muscles that would detect straining and automagically adjust focus on the eyeglasses?

22:05 <sixwheeledbeast> even a manually operated shutter to switch between fixed lengths would be nice

22:05 <ShadowJK> yeah those exist on ebay

22:06 <ShadowJK> I've been tempted to order

22:06 <sixwheeledbeast> but how accurate to your prescription would they be

22:06 <ShadowJK> But I suspect I'd just get angry at them like I do at safety glasses :-)

22:07 <sixwheeledbeast> over safety glasses for me

22:07 <ShadowJK> Ebay has variable focus eyeglases, you turn a knob until focus

22:07 <sixwheeledbeast> it's easier

22:08 <ShadowJK> What I mean is, I get fucking annoyed at the distortions caused by safety glasses

22:08 <sixwheeledbeast> yer

22:09 <ShadowJK> First time I wore safety glasses I walked one step forward, pause, one step forward, pause, and so on

22:09 <ShadowJK> because the distortions making me unsure

22:10 <ShadowJK> Not quite blind, but it kinda felt like being blind, because there was so many visual effects

22:13 <ShadowJK> Haze in the peripheral vision like a steam leak (and since I work as a maintenance engineer, steam leaks would be pretty serious!)

22:14 <ShadowJK> Glare from light sources that dance around the field of vision, quite distracting!

22:14 <ShadowJK> Things stuck on the glass surface that I thought were objects, and when I turned head it was tracking me!

22:18 <ShadowJK> Turning head left and right by microscopic amount in order to figure out what is stuck on the eyeglass lens and what is actually "real" is not a reflexive "automatic" thing, it's something that you have to learn how to do