sponge45 changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/
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<flux-> it is, atleast here
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<SooW> hi everyone
<SooW> i'm looking howto make typedefs in ocaml
<Smerdyakov> Have you read the tutorial in the manual?
<SooW> i tried "type <my_new_def> = <my_old_type>"
<SooW> but i'm getting incompatibility errors
<Smerdyakov> I don't know what an "incompatibility error" is./
<SooW> (expression has type x but is here used with type y)
<SooW> but they should be the same
<SooW> maybe, it's because my typedef is inside a module, therefore, the other module cannot see the real declaration of the type ?
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<Smerdyakov> If you've made the type abstract, then that's how it will be treated.
<Submarine> Smerdyakov, Ah, you!
<Smerdyakov> As always, it's best to create a minimal example illustrating your problem and post a URL to it, including precise error messages in comments.
<SooW> no, i didn't, i suppose that's the idea
<Smerdyakov> Submarine, is that so?
<Submarine> Would you happen to know of a system that does quantifier elimination over the theory of the real closed fields, possibly only working for low degrees?
<Submarine> I mean, I know QEPCAD and Mathematica.
<SooW> abstract type are just redefinition of types ?
<Submarine> the former seems to suck a lot
<Submarine> Mathematica is not always clever
<bluestorm> hm SooW
<bluestorm> i'm far from being a module expert
<Smerdyakov> Submarine, no
<bluestorm> but you may have to give the type definition in the module signature too
<Smerdyakov> SooW, no. Read the tutorial section on modules to learn what abstract types are.
<SooW> ok, i'll post a small example in a second
<bluestorm> if you give it in the code part only, caml may suppose it should be hidden
<bluestorm> (i mean in the .mli file)
<SooW> bluestorm, yes, but mli only contains "type x" but not its definition
<bluestorm> try to give it the whole definition
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<SooW> seems to work with a small example
<SooW> maybe the problem isn't the one i thought
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<SooW> Smerdyakov, i've got another question
<SooW> i'm sharing memory with C and CAML
<SooW> a bigarray, which is really big :)
<SooW> and i would like to know how ocaml use object like that
<Smerdyakov> I don't know.
<SooW> as an argument, is it copied or referenced ?
<SooW> ok
<SooW> is there some kind of neutral value (like NULL) for objects, or should i use None | Some of 'a ?
<Smerdyakov> I have a feeling you should read the tutorial in the manual.
<SooW> there's nothing like that on the tutorial
<Smerdyakov> The tutorial would make it clear that there is no generic "neutral value" in any context.
<SooW> there's no example of objects referencing objects in one of their mutables
<SooW> Smerdyakov, wrong, lists have their [], integers have their 0
<Smerdyakov> Neither of those is a "generic neutral value" as I meant the phrase.
<SooW> I think I'd understand if I could see an example of objects in objects :s
<Smerdyakov> Why do you want to use objects?
<SooW> because I prefer this pattern, and moreover, I'll need to make subclasses
<Smerdyakov> You can't "need to make subclasses" if you don't use objects. :P
<SooW> yes, but i'm making an OCR and i need to define a few detection area (chars, words, lines, blocks...) which mostly have to same methods
<SooW> at least, that's what i think
<Smerdyakov> That sounds like something that I'd implement with a functional combinator library.
<SooW> i don't know what it means :s
<Smerdyakov> That's not surprising. In general, you can use OCaml much more effectively if you take the time to learn the lay of the land in functional programming, instead of trying to write Java programs in OCaml.
<Smerdyakov> I think objects are usually the wrong implementation tool.
<SooW> i don't think so
<SooW> that's true that i'm not used to fonctional programing
<SooW> +m
<SooW> but i HAVE to do it in OCaml, whether I like it or not
<Smerdyakov> I think it's more than just "not used to." I think you haven't decided that you will learn functional programming.
<SooW> most caml big projects use imperative, because functional is beautiful, but not really fast actually
<Smerdyakov> That would be news to me. I think most OCaml projects use mostly functional code.
<Smerdyakov> Sure, it's common to have some imperative stuff in most projects, but it's not the central organizing principle.
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<SooW> well, i think I've got the point after a year of OCaml, but I really need to pass an object to a fucntion, and I don't know if it will be a reference or the data
<love-pingoo> SooW: objects are not copied
<love-pingoo> nothing is copied actually, afaik
<SooW> love-pingoo, thank you
<love-pingoo> SooW: for copies you have Oo.copy, but I never used it
<SooW> so if a mutable of my class is an object, i can just write "val mutable x = my_object" ?
<love-pingoo> you can certainly write that
<love-pingoo> an object is a value like an other
<SooW> and if it has no value when i initialize it, what should I write after "val mutable x = " ?
<SooW> actually, can i do it ?
<love-pingoo> you should use an option type in that case
<SooW> ok, that what i thought
<SooW> thank you both.
<SooW> time to eat
<love-pingoo> there must always be something at initialization, the option type is there to make it explicit that there is a possibility that x is not defined
<love-pingoo> SooW: bon appetit
<SooW> :)
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<SooW> re
<SooW> caml is optimized for terminal recursion, isn't it ?
<SooW> it souldn't Stack overflow with something terminal ?
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<love-pingoo> SooW: right
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<mnemonic> hi
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