kaustuv changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | 3.11.1 out now! Get yours from http://caml.inria.fr/ocaml/release.html
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I'll test here
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Is it still available on GODI, or by some other means?
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<Andrius> hi, how do I set more than one directory in $OCAMLLIB ?
<Yoric[DT]> hcarty: in GODI
<hcarty> Andrius: $OCAMLLIB?
<Andrius> yes, I'm compiling a program in mingw and part of libraries are in /c/ocaml/lib and part are in /c/mingw/lib
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I don't see the update
<Yoric[DT]> Ah?
<Yoric[DT]> hcarty: which version of OCaml/GODI?
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: 3.11.1
<Yoric[DT]> I have released in 3.11 only.
<Yoric[DT]> mmmhhh....
<hcarty> I see 0.200900405godi2 as the version
<Yoric[DT]> Yea.
<Yoric[DT]> It should now be 0.20090902
<hcarty> Updating the to the latest packages doesn't give me anything newer
<Yoric[DT]> Ah, I know.
<hcarty> Goodness... this is REALLY late, going on early for you.
<Yoric[DT]> I had forgotten some files on the GODI svn.
<Yoric[DT]> And yes, it's getting kind of late.
<Yoric[DT]> I'm roughly at 1/2 of my tutorial.
<Andrius> hcarty: any way to set more than one dir in environment variable OCAMLLIB?
* Yoric[DT] doesn't use OCAMLLIB.
<Andrius> I know -cclib -L/c/mingw/lib could solve but it's an automated ( and complex ) script that is calling ocamlopt
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<Yoric[DT]> hcarty: can you try again?
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<hcarty> Andrius: I didn't know something called OCAMLLIB exists
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Still nothing yet.
<Yoric[DT]> That's weird.
<hcarty> Andrius: Sorry, that wasn't exactly clear - I'm unfamiliar with the environment variable OCAMLLIB.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Indeed.
<hcarty> Andrius: I think OCAMLPATH is used by findlib
<Andrius> hmm, thanks anyway hcarty... I'm trying to figure out how can I make the script call ocamlopt correctly
<hcarty> Andrius: Is this on Windows, or cross-compiled? (just curious)
<Andrius> windows
<hcarty> Unless you are using findlib, you may need to just use "-I" on the command line to add the appropriate directories.
<hcarty> Oh, sorry - looks like you are talking about C library paths.
<Andrius> ocaml has -I ( for includes) but has no -L ( for libs)
<Andrius> I need to leave now, thanks anyway
<hcarty> Andrius: OCaml doesn't have includes
<hcarty> Andrius: Good luck!
<hcarty> Just libraries.
<Andrius> thanks
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: If it helps at all, the update is checking http://www.ocaml-programming.de/godi-build/3.11/available.new, among others
<hcarty> Ok, that's strange
<hcarty> That file has the updated Batteries version listed
<Yoric[DT]> I'm trying again, in case there's some cache involved.
<hcarty> I'll see if there is something left behind in my install from some prior experiment
<Yoric[DT]> Rerelease in progres...
<Yoric[DT]> Rerelease in progress...
<Yoric[DT]> Done.
<hcarty> Still nothing
<hcarty> I'll dig further on my system
<hcarty> I removed all traces of Batteries from my godi/ tree, and it re-downloaded the beta1 version.
<hcarty> This is very odd
<Yoric[DT]> Yeah, on my computer, too...
<Yoric[DT]> I believe that there's no reference to the old version anywhere in the files.
<hcarty> Is 004 somehow coming out as newer than 09?
<hcarty> ocaml-programming.de seems to be the only mirror with beta2. Perhaps the other mirrors are somehow taking precedence?
<Yoric[DT]> godi-backup2 has beta2, too.
<Yoric[DT]> It just doesn't use it...
<Yoric[DT]> I have another idea.
<Yoric[DT]> No, that didn't work.
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<Yoric[DT]> Yeah, I assume it's a cache problem on http://godi.0ok.org/godi-build/3.11/available.new .
<hcarty> I can take a look - that's a mirror I'm hosting
<Yoric[DT]> Ahah :)
<thelema> Yoric[DT]: good luck with godi
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks
<hcarty> I don't know how often updates are pushed
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I'm not sure if there is anything I can do to hurry the mirror update along
<Yoric[DT]> I have no idea.
<hcarty> I think Gerd pushes the updates, but I don't know how.
<Yoric[DT]> Perhaps write to Gerd?
<Yoric[DT]> The release tool is supposed to push the updates, but it obviously hasn't done it on 0ok.org .
<hcarty> I sent Gerd an email.
<hcarty> Is the release tool a GODI package? Maybe it doesn't have information on 0ok.org?
<hcarty> Oh... I may know the problem.
<hcarty> At least the reason 0ok.org isn't updated - it was moved to a different server today.
<hcarty> I wonder if there is an ssh key mismatch error somewhere in the pipeline of pushing updates.
<hcarty> That still doesn't explain why the older package is overriding the newer package though.
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<Yoric[DT]> I guess it's using your server first, for some reason
<Yoric[DT]> Well, I've finished Section 2.
<Yoric[DT]> Now, onto Section 3.
<thelema> Yoric[DT]: can you paste the text into etherpad so I can help?
<Yoric[DT]> Actually, I've finished the section on Batteries and I'm entering the section on Camlp4.
<Yoric[DT]> But thanks.
* thelema can edit the batteries section
<Yoric[DT]> Mmmmhhh....
<Yoric[DT]> Ok.
<Yoric[DT]> Here it is.
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks.
<thelema> L259 strike "most of"
<thelema> L270 strike "'s"
<thelema> L313 & 324 "to" -> "do"
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: 0ok.org is having other trouble now, so once I removed the local Batteries files from godi/ it downloaded the new version
<hcarty> Will build now...
<Yoric[DT]> cool
<Yoric[DT]> (cool for the downloading)
<thelema> Don't forget bitstring somewhere near L460
<Yoric[DT]> good idea
<thelema> wow, how long do you have for your presentation?
<Yoric[DT]> 3h30
<Yoric[DT]> And it starts in 4h45
<Yoric[DT]> Of course, I haven't slept.
<thelema> ah, I see why it's so long. keep up the good work.
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks for the help.
<Yoric[DT]> thelema: of course, until 5 hours ago, I thought my presentation was just 45 minutes.
<thelema> heh. That changes things. Good thing you found out.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Batteries from GODI builds here without error.
<thelema> impressively few errors.
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks.
<Yoric[DT]> I hope that people manage to install Batteries without problems tomorrow.
<Yoric[DT]> Somehow, I doubt it.
<Yoric[DT]> But having a GODI package is somewhat necessary.
<thelema> yes, maybe make godi instructions
<thelema> and maybe a list of dependencies for those who want to compile it themselves
<thelema> (although it's in the README)
<thelema> maybe sufficient to point out that the README has dependency list
<thelema> additions on L1256
<Yoric[DT]> ok
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<awilcox> Hello, I'm unable to build O'Caml on my Mac running Snow Leopard.
<awilcox> ../boot/ocamlrun ../boot/ocamlc -g -warn-error A -nostdlib `./Compflags pervasives.cmi` -c pervasives.mli
<awilcox> make[3]: *** [pervasives.cmi] Segmentation fault
<awilcox> I both googled and bing'ed around for ocamlrun "snow leopard" and I was met with 0 results.
<awilcox> Is Snow Leopard unsupported by O'Caml? Or is there a patch?
<thelema> sounds like the bootstrap binaries fail on snow leopard.
<thelema> I expect it'll be supported soon, and reporting these experiences will help
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<hcarty> awilcox: There have been a number of posts on the mailing list from users attempting to build OCaml on Snow Leopard. A few folks have reported success.
<awilcox> =/
<awilcox> I guess I'll just use my FreeBSD box for now
<awilcox> hcarty: I'm using 3.10.2 with a specific patchset for the project I'm working on
<hcarty> awilcox: Ah. The success stories I've seen have all been with 3.11.x
<hcarty> And they may all be 64bit as well, though I'm not certain of that.
* Yoric[DT] has reached 66 slides + animations.
* Yoric[DT] will take a break before leaving the world of threads and entering that of Camlp4.
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Quite the heroic effort.
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I'm off - good luck with the talk. I hope everything goes smoothly for you.
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks
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<Camarade_Tux> you can have a local mirror for godi, that could be enough to push updates :)
<Camarade_Tux> (for test purposes)
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<thelema_> Yoric[DT]: you're done?
<Yoric[DT]> Yep.
<thelema_> and you're still moving? I'm impressed.
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<Yoric[DT]> I'm attempting to understand a tutorial on pattern-calculus.
<thelema> good luck. I start classes today - after only a 8.5 year gap.
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<thelema> but first, I need to survey caml-list on why they don't use batteries.
<Yoric[DT]> Good luck to you, too.
<kaustuv> Yoric[DT]: anything interesting happen at ICFP this year?
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<Yoric[DT]> Plenty of interesting people.
<Yoric[DT]> I'll need to reread the proceedings to tell you more about it :)
<kaustuv> gah, my irc connection conked out right after I asked that question
<kaustuv> so I missed all of your replies except the last two
<Yoric[DT]> There were only two :)
<kaustuv> ah, never mind then
<Yoric[DT]> I can't tell you much more atm.
<Yoric[DT]> I've just spent a sleepless night just before giving a half-day tutorial.
<kaustuv> well don't let me get between you and your bed in that case
<Yoric[DT]> Nah, I'm at a tutorial.
<Yoric[DT]> Just concentrating is difficult.
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<kaustuv> thelema: re your caml-list post, in my case it's (4), (5) and (7). I have to distribute a piece of code that is only allowed to depend on vanilla ocaml binaries, so no ocamlfind. Hence, no batteries.
<kaustuv> Possibly (8) I am not sure I buy the enum-ization of everything as good design
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<Camarade_Tux> thelema: also, batteries is quite big and it takes time to get used to it, that slows adoption down
<Camarade_Tux> the only way to get used it to is to _force_ yourself to use batteries and nothing else, like for everything
<flux> thelema, my reasons: 8a) it's not apt-gettable in ubuntu 8.04 and I'm lazy 8b) I have concerns (possibly unbased) that integrating it into existing projects would be difficult, possibly due to 4 (the build system at work for our system is not apt nor godi..)
<flux> maybe I'll bite the bullet at some point and try how difficult it is to install to ubuntu 8.04 outside the packaging system
<flux> maybe I'll do it right now; after all, it should be just make; make install?-)
<flux> I've got oen improvement suggestion right here: spit out the required libraries in one list when a configure step fails..
<flux> bin-prot 1.2.18 fails to compile on 3.10.2: File "nat0.mli", line 27, characters 4-20: This fixed type is not an object or variant
<flux> apparently my compiler doesn't support the private-keyword. well, my experiment is done at this point :)
<Camarade_Tux> it's one of the difficult things as long as you don't have a "stable" release: there is always some configuration that fails
<flux> and the bigger your release and the larger number of dependencies you have, the more likely it'll fail..
<flux> only the next devel version of ubuntu has ocamlc 3.11
<flux> so I guess it's till.. april?-(
<flux> bin-prot is actually already on the next release, so no
<flux> 1.0.5, though. could be obsolete, for all I know..
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<flux> well, none of the 1.2-series releases change nat0.mli, so I guess it's 1.0 (or is there 1.1?)
<flux> but I don't which version batteries requires, the README doesn't say
<flux> woohoo, batteries is building
<Yoric[DT]> Indeed, we don't know.
<flux> until: File "src/core/extlib/extLexing.ml", line 23, characters 0-6: Failure: "Pa_type_conv: path not set" Preprocessing error on file src/core/extlib/extLexing.ml Command exited with code 2.
<Yoric[DT]> Arf, you have an old version of type-conv.
<thelema> Yoric[DT]: can we check the version in configure?
<Yoric[DT]> I submitted a patch some time ago (patch which was accepted) to change that behavior.
<Yoric[DT]> thelema: good idea.
<Yoric[DT]> I have no idea how.
<flux> ocamlfind query -insert-magic-here?
<Yoric[DT]> Yeah, I'll try and look at that.
<thelema> probably grepping the ocamlfind query response for a position
<thelema> but maybe there's already a macro for that
<flux> actually I think ocamlfind query in itself is able to answer that question, but I'm not sure
<flux> its predicates are pretty advanced
<Yoric[DT]> $ ocamlfind query -format "%v" batteries
<Yoric[DT]> 0.20090623
<Yoric[DT]> (actually, I forgot to update the version)
<hcarty> kaustuv: For what it's worth, (7) can be avoided (camlp4 is not required when using Batteries). (8), the enum-ization can be avoided as well. The availability is (almost?) pervasive, but I don't think enum use is ever required.
<hcarty> (4) is harder to get around, and possibly (5) as well. (5) in the case of an absent findlib would hopefully be minimized by Yoric[DT]'s suggested restructuring.
<thelema> kaustuv, Camarade_Tux, flux: thank you for the feedback
<flux> well, installed the latest type-conv+latest sexplib. now already three packages outside my distribution :/, but then again, I'm not up-to-date with it.
<flux> hope it compiles this time
<flux> The implementation src/core/extlib/extLexing.ml does not match the interface src/core/extlib/extLexing.cmi:
<hcarty> flux: That's a very good point (no packages for non-current distributions). Semi-official backports would probably be helpful. Likely time consuming as well, though, as OCaml itself would probably have to be backported.
<flux> The field `new_line' is required but not provided Command exited with code 2.
<thelema> flux: make clean
<flux> did that before compiling
<thelema> maybe ./configure too
<flux> indeed, that as well. make clean; ./configure && make
<flux> maybe I'll just re-extract
<thelema> odd.
<thelema> Thanks for trying it.
<flux> did ocamlbuild btw do concurrent compilation?
<flux> I redid ./configure&&make with a clean extracted source archive, same error
<thelema> I doubt our makefile detects multiple processors and enables those options
<flux> something like make -j2 that is
<kaustuv> flux: ocamlbuild can do -j2
<thelema> oh, I bet it's a problem with our macros for dealing with versions of ocaml.
<flux> ah, it supports that
<flux> my search for 'paral' or 'concur' just failed me
<flux> :)
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<flux> thelema, are those files generated? or its dependant files? because it doesn't look like there are any macros there.
<flux> maybe it's the lack of the macros?
<thelema> flux: we have that macroed out - that function is only in ocaml 3.11 and newer
<thelema> are you somehow running without our compilation macros?
<thelema> or is your version of ocaml misrepresenting?
<flux> I have distribution-installed ocaml 3.10.2
<flux> config.log says OCAMLVERSION='3.10.2'
<thelema> curious. the new_line sig is protected by [#if ocaml_version >= (3, 11)
<flux> where is the protection?
<thelema> so your compile shouldn't be seeing it.
<thelema> extlexing.mli L144
<thelema> the compile macro that enforces #if is ... I forget
<flux> no protectino here. I'm running beta1
<thelema> okay, just delete the "val new_line ..." line
<thelema> or use git.
<thelema> I've got to get to class. back after lunch.
<flux> File "/tmp/camlpp4db8a7", line 31, characters 0-24: Multiple definition of the type name sexp_opaque. Names must be unique in a given structure or signature. Command exited with code 2. while processing src/libs/sexplib/extSexp_Conv.ml
<flux> happy studying (teaching?)
<thelema> for the next few years, studying.
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<hcarty> thelema: Given the feedback from your list post so far, perhaps a Batteries-centric OCaml tutorial would be a good thing to put together?
<hcarty> Something that new users, at least ones using GODI, Debian-recent, Ubuntu-recent and Fedora-recent, can get their feet wet with.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Are any of your recent (current?) talks suitable material for this?
<Yoric[DT]> Mmmmmhhh....
<Yoric[DT]> Probably not.
<Yoric[DT]> Extracts could.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Ok, that's good to know. I can't start on it yet, but I would be happy to help with a tutorial-writing effort.
<Yoric[DT]> Ok, thanks.
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<kaustuv> hah, Dario Teixeira likens ExtLib to minitel
<kaustuv> When I came to France I expected to see a few minitel boxes, but so far no luck
<hcarty> If there is anyone here now who wasn't around for the discussion yesterday - any interest in a OCaml library install/GODI-packaging sprint next week?
<hcarty> Likely Wednesday all day.
<Yoric[DT]> All day: no way.
<Yoric[DT]> During the evening: can try.
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: :-) Presence by individuals does not have to be all day
<Yoric[DT]> :)
<Yoric[DT]> Does anyone know how to compare two version strings from autoconf?
<hcarty> But the plan is to have someone around to help/collaborate all day.
<Yoric[DT]> i.e. I wish to make sure that 0.7.1 >= 0.7
<kaustuv> Yoric[DT]: nothing in autoconf vanilla, but see http://www.nongnu.org/autoconf-archive/ax_compare_version.html
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks
* Yoric[DT] wonders how to open a module from autoconf.
<kaustuv> Open in the ocaml sense? Surely that would be impossible unless you want to parse ocaml in m4?
<kaustuv> Oh, I guess you can write a camlp4 ast printer
<Yoric[DT]> No, I just want to use the contents of ax_compare_version without copy & paste.
<kaustuv> oh, that's easy. add an include in aclocal.m4
<Yoric[DT]> Thanks.
<kaustuv> or acincludes.m4 if you use automake (but check the docs on that)
<Yoric[DT]> Where are these files?
<kaustuv> same dir as configure.ac
<kaustuv> or if you canged the default with AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR then they're wherever it says
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<Yoric[DT]> if AX_COMPARE_VERSION([$version] , [ge], [$2]); then
<Yoric[DT]> ...
<Yoric[DT]> It doesn't like $version.
<Yoric[DT]> syntax error near unexpected token `$version'
<Yoric[DT]> ...
<Yoric[DT]> Probably an include problem.
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<Yoric[DT]> thelema: what version of the dependencies do you have?
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<Yoric[DT]> thelema: pushed new version of autoconf which checks versions
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<thelema> wow - I got a good response to my inquiry
* thelema hadn't read the emails yet.
<thelema> and there's 50% more responses than went to the list.
<mol_> hi all
<hcarty> thelema: That's wonderful news. The list postings seem largely positive, with good feedback.
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<thelema> It seems we really need to make it easy to install. But that's mostly getting it packaged in the distros, which will happen in its time.
<thelema> and do something ourselves for windows (maybe one package to install ocaml + batteries)
<hcarty> thelema: Yes, GODI polish + distro packages + a community OCaml installer for Windows would address a lot of the concerns I think.
* thelema is happy that his intuition for the problem was accurate, although maybe his solution (aaa) wasn't best
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<thelema> hmm, ocamldebug needs something to work on a batteries program
<thelema> hmm, how can I get ocamldebug to push through a layer of abstraction?
<thelema> or to show the represntation of an abstract value
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<mol_> hi Yoric, how did it go?
<Yoric[DT]> Much better than expected.
<Yoric[DT]> Still, without sleep.
<Yoric[DT]> At the moment, I'd really like to go back to the flat and grab some sleep.
<Yoric[DT]> Too bad my flatmates, who were the actual inhabitants, left for France without giving me the code.
<mol_> aaa!
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<Camarade_Tux> Yoric[DT]: is the new batteries available in godi for me right now?
<Camarade_Tux> (or rather, should it be?)
<Yoric[DT]> normally, yes
<Camarade_Tux> crap
<Camarade_Tux> Installed version: 0.200900405godi2
<Camarade_Tux> Available version: 0.200900405godi2 (from source)
<Yoric[DT]> again?
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I haven't heard anything from Gerd
<hcarty> I may have to just disable godi.0ok.org for now
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<Yoric[DT]> :/
<hcarty> I'm guessing this is all down to some error/problem in the version comparisons.
<hcarty> So that 00405 > 09xx
<Camarade_Tux> I've seen programs complain about autotools versions too: x.6 > x.12 :)
<Camarade_Tux> hcarty: is it possible to sort the mirrors differently?
<hcarty> Camarade_Tux: Please try again
<hcarty> Camarade_Tux: godi.0ok.org was moved to a different server (it's a shared host) and I think the SSH key was changed in the process.
<hcarty> My guess is that Gerd's update scripts rely on that not happening.
<hcarty> (with good reason, I suppose)
<Camarade_Tux> doesn't seem it got any new update
<hcarty> godi.0ok.org now silently redirects to the main GODI mirror though.
<hcarty> Hmm.
<hcarty> It may take some time for the update to pass through?
<hcarty> Oh - remove your local batteries files
<hcarty> This may be a bigger issue than just an out-of-sync mirror.
<Camarade_Tux> which file to rm? I'm always a bit lost in the files
<hcarty> If anyone has the beta1 package sitting around in their godi/ package directory, it won't grab the actually-newer-but-looks-older files.
<hcarty> Camarade_Tux: Any .tar.gz or .tgz with 0.200900405 in the name
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Yes - GODI reads the old package as having a newer/higher version than the new package.
<hcarty> This is rather problematic.
<Camarade_Tux> still not picked
<Camarade_Tux> but once I thought about making a library to compare versions and the conclusion was that it is easier to have people all adopt the x.y.z scheme
<hcarty> Camarade_Tux: Have you removed/uninstall Batteries?
<Camarade_Tux> hcarty: argh, no
<Camarade_Tux> stupid me
<hcarty> I don't think GODI will pick up the new one without that
<hcarty> Camarade_Tux: You shouldn't have to do that, but since the version comparison is getting in the way it's needed.
<Camarade_Tux> I fscked it up :D
<flux> thelema, I managed to compile batteries on 3.10.2.. I needed to replace 3, 11 with 3, 10 in src/libs/sexplib/extSexp_Conv.ml{,i}
<flux> sounds like the version comparison on _ocaml version_ doesn't make sense, it looks like the version of sexplib is the matter here?
<Camarade_Tux> ^^
<flux> oh, and back to compiling, apparently I want to compile the native code also..
<flux> ..and top, and syntax..
<thelema> flux: I'll look into that. I'm surprised we haven't had a problem with that before.
<Camarade_Tux> ok, new batteries properly picked up :)
<flux> thelema, maybe people have had the expected vrsions installed
<flux> well, ocamlfind batteries/ocaml gives me the batteries, and then back to prompt
<thelema> that's good for the toplevel
<flux> back to shell prompt, it exits from the toplevel immediately?
<thelema> oh, no.
<thelema> I read "back to the prompt" as having the ocaml prompt
<flux> figured it was misunderstood :)
<thelema> there's a top.ml that controls the toplevel - I wonder what its boggle.
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<flux> tried if my .ocamlinit interacts with this - but removing it made no difference
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<thelema> off to class #2 - back later tonight.
<Camarade_Tux> :)
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<Anarchos> i began a full accurate simulator for sparc v9 processor in ocaml today :)
<flux> well, if I ignore the rest of the top.ml after #camlp4o, I get I/O error: Bad file descriptor repeatedly, so I imagine it is likely an ocaml bug
<flux> anarchos, good luck, I imagine it shall not be trivial
<Camarade_Tux> but why is ocamldoc so slow, hmmmm
<flux> hmph, apparently document generation won't work for me. looks like some version incompatibility again, Type_variant expects 2 argments, ..
<flux> oh well, there's always the online doc
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<flux> (although they are painfully slow through my mobile link)
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<flux> hm, this is sort of inconvenient. I have module IO although I did not open Batteries. and it is apparently incompatible with Batteries.Standard.stdin.
<hcarty> flux: There are LOTS of camlp4+toplevel bugs in OCaml 3.10.x
<hcarty> camlp4 bugs are a large part of why (from what I understand) Batteries is aimed mostly at 3.11.x
<flux> well, I don't mind
<flux> I'm hoping the non-camlp4 features of batteries turn out to be more interesting
<flux> and I'll eventually upgrade :)
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<Camarade_Tux> installed properly
<Camarade_Tux> (batteries)
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<Anarchos> flux with the sparc manual it is not so difficult indeed
<Camarade_Tux> oh nice, *re*building batteries failed :)
<Camarade_Tux> yeah, as I expected :)
<Camarade_Tux> "configure: error: Batteries is already installed"
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<hcarty> flux: Yes, the non-camlp4 Batteries features are certainly its major strengths :-)
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<Camarade_Tux> more formats for I/O would be even nicer :)
<Camarade_Tux> (yes, I know, I said I would do xz/lzma2/lzma1 support ;p )
<Yoric[DT]> Yup
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