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<flux> good morning!
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<Camarade_Tux> morning flux :)
<Camarade_Tux> kaustuv_`: reddit users? you mean haskellers and pythonistas? ;)
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<pierre_m> hi there
<pierre_m> I have a (i guess) basic problem with functors
<pierre_m> I wonder what is the best way to keep the choice of parameter module at runtime (said as an argument from the command line) without having to duplicate too much code
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<flux> patching the compiler with the higher order modules -patch perhaps :). otherwise I don't see a way that doesn't invoolve writing a module that has a layer of indirectness in it
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<Camarade_Tux> flux: in ocaml-gir, the better I support lablgtk2, the less I can support anything else =/
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<Camarade_Tux> I need to bind C functions which take more than five arguments: I have to provide one function for bytecode and one for native code, but can I provide both even for functions with less than five arguments? ( http://caml.inria.fr/pub/distrib/ocaml-3.11/ocaml-3.11-refman.html#htoc210 and http://www.linux-nantes.org/~fmonnier/OCaml/ocaml-wrapping-c.php#ref_5params and http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/oreilly-book/html/book-ora114.html#toc148 )
<Camarade_Tux> seems to work
<Camarade_Tux> hmmm
<Camarade_Tux> it'll probably work until I try to actually link anything with that module, I haven't renamed the C functions so I'm not providing any of the native code nor bytecode version
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<thelema_> Okay, apparently there's something in ocaml's build system I don't know about.
<thelema_> I've got a findlib package for aaa with an archive called batteries.cma
<thelema_> and the META seems set up right
<thelema_> but when I compile, I just get [Unbound value] errors
<thelema_> the batteries.cma is made by ocamlbuild using a .mllib file
<thelema_> and it doesn't matter whether I use ocamlfind to compile or manually -I the .cma file in
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<thelema> hmm... do I need all the .cmi files too?
<flux> is there packing involved?
<thelema> no. no packing.
<flux> then you need the original .cmi-files
<thelema> if I pack, I'm stuck with huge batteries.
<thelema> ok.
<thelema> thanks.
<flux> if you use packing, then you must not have original .cmi-files, but one for the resulting .cmo-file
* thelema tries to include the .mllib into the Makefile's install target
<flux> actually 'must not' is slightly heavy statement, but it's annoying as hell and removes the advantage of packing in the first place :)
* thelema is conflicted on packing
<thelema> and wants to try the simplest thing that could possibly wor
<thelema> *work
<flux> so aaa is going to remove the packing?
<thelema> that's where I'm going now.
<thelema> It's not really a design goal
<flux> what happens to names?
<thelema> Although removing the sub-packing is a design goal
<thelema> I'll probably end up with all modules' names prefixed with 'Bat'
<thelema> although I'm thinking about IO and Enum as exceptions
<flux> ~\o/~
<flux> how about just B?-)
<flux> (too short?)
* thelema has no problems with B
<Camarade_Tux> B++
<flux> :-)
<thelema> I'm still trying to figure out the best way to present this to the user.
<flux> I know, I know! with a good manual!
<flux> ;-)
<Camarade_Tux> hmmm, force him to read the documentation? D
<thelema> I like how "open Batteries" replaces everything automatically
<flux> camarade_tux, the first task is to provide such documentation :)
<thelema> and I don't want to insist on [module Array = BArray module List = BList module Queue = BQueue ...]
<flux> do it the ExtLib way?
<flux> open BArray etc?
<Camarade_Tux> or some macros?
* Camarade_Tux is doing too much C
<thelema> the extlib way doesn't work for array and list because their functions will shadow each other
<thelema> n/m, I forgot the submodules
<thelema> I'm thinking that the extlib way isn't quite right either, from a documentation perspective.
<thelema> I'm actually thinking of just including the source directly. Since batteries will be large, just include all the stdlib function definitions directly.
<thelema> I agree that copy & paste is a source of bugs
<thelema> but I hope that the community will help me in keeping things in sync
<thelema> I wish ocaml had child packages, so you could include a parent package including all its private representations
<thelema> batteries' Set implementation is wonky because of this.
<thelema> hmmm... Maybe I will just let people do BArray.map if they want the batteries array.
<Camarade_Tux> how would you generate "a[0], a[1], a[2]... a[n]" with the minimum of code?
<thelema> Camarade_Tux: a list as output, or a tuple?
<Camarade_Tux> a string? :P (but a list is as good : String.concat ", ")
<thelema> Camarade_Tux: can I use batteries?
<Camarade_Tux> hehe, no :P
<thelema> :(
<Camarade_Tux> that'd be too easy
<thelema> a for loop, appending to a buffer would be reasonable, using bprintf
<thelema> bprintf buf "], a[%d" i
<thelema> preceed with "a[0" and don't forget the trailing "]"
<mfp> Camarade_Tux: you don't mean String.concat ", " (Array.to_list (Array.init n (sprintf "a[%d]"))) do you?
<Camarade_Tux> mfp: that's almost what I was going to write actually: String.concat "," (Array.to_list (Array.iteri (fun i _ -> sprintf "a[%d]" i) (Array.of_list f#parameters)))
<Camarade_Tux> but your's better ;)
<Camarade_Tux> (let n = List.length f#parameters)
<Camarade_Tux> thelema: I wanted to avoid for-loops, here I prefer short code over fast one
<thelema> Camarade_Tux: no problem.
<thelema> I admit that I over-optimized.
<mfp> the bottleneck is probably (b,s)printf anyway
<mfp> since it scans the fmt at runtime
<Camarade_Tux> a[i] (actually argv[i]) is an argument when calling a function, I hope there is no function with > 10000 parameters, but I hadn't said that ;)
<mfp> unlike Batteries' extensible printf (?)
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<mfp> Camarade_Tux: the above one-liner would do fine no matter how long the list (up to Sys.max_array_length or Sys.max_string_length being reached)
<Camarade_Tux> # Sys.max_array_length, Sys.max_string_length;;
<Camarade_Tux> - : int * int = (18014398509481983, 144115188075855863)
<Camarade_Tux> should do it ;)
<Camarade_Tux> why must there alway be a problem? ='( (* this doesn't work for C functions taking no argument *)
<mfp> what's "this"? are you generating C code?
<Camarade_Tux> yes, for ocaml-gir ( http://git.ocamlcore.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=ocaml-gir/ocaml-gir.git;a=summary )
<Camarade_Tux> and I really need a break from this
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<Camarade_Tux> at least the C seems ok now, it should create a library (with only two undefined references) pretty soon
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<Camarade_Tux> ... nearly... done...
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<flux> uh oh, now I think I've made a mistake with darcs..
<flux> I put in an exported eps-file in ascii mode
<flux> and re-exported the png. now I have tons of patches..
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<Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
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<flux> well, I stopped the resulting push which had lasted an hour and fixed the issue locally :)
<flux> oh, I first needed to kill the 250M darcs-process from the remote host..
<flux> hngh, the patch is already partially in.. this is fun
<mfp> I used darcs for a couple years before switching to git, not coming back
<flux> I still use it for small projects
<flux> and my dotfiles
<mfp> darcs is playing catch-up in terms of speed and usability, but there's nothing to bring me back (yes, I find git more usable in many ways: how you refer to a commit, coloring + auto pager, etc.)
<flux> cherry-picking works very nicely in darcs
<flux> especially my dot-files can be non-synchronized among hosts for long times, but locally in version control
<mfp> always wondered: do I have to keep rejecting patches in another repos but not in mine?
<flux> I think there's an automated way to do that. a list of rejected patches.
<flux> my files don't drift that much that I can just do it whenever I decide to sync
<flux> I suppose it automatically ignored patches that depend on patches you ignore, though
<mfp> I used to care about cherry picking, but then realized it didn't make up for all the other problems
<mfp> e.g. I've had to send patches N times because of encoding issues
<mfp> or corrupted repositories
<flux> I like darcs' simplicity
<flux> for example it doesn't have - or need - branches
<mfp> and I bumped into the super-exponential merge bug a few times
<mfp> well
<mfp> it needs several working dirs
<flux> true
<flux> yes, that merge bug can be a bitch, apparently they've done some work on that
<mfp> which is another thing I don't like (internal branching = faster recompiling)
<mfp> yes, fixed most of the time in darcs 2, I hear
<mfp> but then you have to convert the repos format and stuff
<mfp> and darcs get still seems very slow
<flux> hence the small projects :)
<mfp> (had to darcs get lwt recently because the repos format changed :-|)
<flux> in any case, when darcs doesn't have branches, it means it doesn't need to have commands for managing them either
<flux> I think I'd need to spend some quality time with my web browser to understand how to use git branches
<flux> (my other git-based projects so far haven't required it)
<flux> also, setting up a web-based git-repository is slightly more work
* Camarade_Tux made a few errors with git branches
<mfp> flux: you mean w/ a viewcvs-like interface?
<flux> mfp, no, plainly something I can push to and people can pull from
<flux> mfp, the hooks, basically..
<mfp> ah, you chmod +x 1 hook, yep
<Alpounet> "As you know OCaml always lives in an implicit big IO monad and so its
<Alpounet> 'let' syntax is a monadic do." hmm
<flux> I had an issue with the server having an older version of git the first time I tried that as well
<flux> but I suppose darcs could've easily have had the same problem
<mfp> Alpounet: but you can compose functions with foo (f x) (g y)
<mfp> w/o a <- f x; b <- g y; foo a b
<flux> alpounet, correct. however, ocaml can do this: copy_file (open_in "input") (open_out (expand_path "~foo/output" ^ "." ^ string_of_unit (Unix.getpid())))
<Alpounet> flux, mfp, it's a message from the Haskell-cafe ML, written by Nicolas Pouillard.
<Camarade_Tux> \\o o// \o/
<Camarade_Tux> labldbus compiling without warning, lablwebkit too :)
<Camarade_Tux> well, I'm not sure they qualify for "labl" right now since they use 0 labels but I guess that gives a good idea of what they are ;-)
<orbitz> ugh the most offputting thing about C# is the Capital Letters everywhre
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<shazam> but it's camlcase!
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<flux> :)
<orbitz> shazam: teehehe :)
<Camarade_Tux> ./libgWebKit_stubs.a(ml_gtkWebKit.o): In function `ml_webkit_check_version':
<Camarade_Tux> ml_gtkWebKit.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `webkit_check_version'
<Camarade_Tux> ^^ *that* is what annoys me the most when writing ocaml bindings to C libraries
<Camarade_Tux> anyway, if you want to have a look at ocaml-gir, now is a good time for it, git clone http://git.ocamlcore.org/ocaml-gir/ocaml-gir.git , and run ./me.sh
<Camarade_Tux> webkit and dbus-glib are working and will be in bindings-directory/{WebKit,DBus}-bindings/generated ( the doc folder is useless )
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<Anarchos> no idea where it comes from that caml_frametable is not found, (but defined in the /tmp/camlstartupXXX.s) ?
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<c0m> want to take [[1;2;3];[4;5;6]] and make it [[1;4];[2;5];[3;6]] but am having some problem with syntax ... anyone help me please? let rec transpose = function | [] -> [] | xs::ys -> List.hd xs :: List.hd ys :: transpose [List.tl xs; List.tl ys]
<c0m> that seems to be wrong though because i get error on ending ys
<c0m> this is f# btw but similar to ocaml
<orbitz> c0m: dumb route might be to flatten it then unflatten it
<orbitz> hrm taht woudln't work, i wasn't thinkign genrically
<c0m> do you see what i'm trying to do though
<orbitz> just a transpose
<c0m> yeah but my syntax is off
<orbitz> ys is a [[Int]]
<c0m> how though?
<c0m> ys is the second link in the list
<orbitz> List.tl ias type ['a] -> ['a]
<orbitz> no, ys is the rest of the list
<c0m> oh wait
<orbitz> match [1; 2; 3] with x :: xs -> (* x = 1, xs = [2; 3] *0
<orbitz> *)
<c0m> so when i'm doing xs::ys ... that is doing it only for the first link in the list?
<c0m> so xs is 1 and ys is 2;3
<c0m> ?
<orbitz> no
<c0m> i thought ys would be binded to 4;5;6
<c0m> and xs to 1;2;3
<orbitz> xs is [1; 2; 3], ys is [[4; 5; 6]]
<c0m> ok
<c0m> err
<c0m> oh
<c0m> wtfbbq
<c0m> so much implicit stuff
<c0m> with strict inference
<orbitz> # match [[1;2;3];[4;5;6]] with x::xs -> (x, xs) | _ -> ([], [])
<orbitz> ;;
<orbitz> - : int list * int list list = ([1; 2; 3], [[4; 5; 6]])
<c0m> so then maybe xs::ys::_
<c0m> i could match it
<orbitz> no
<orbitz> might as well just match against [x; y] at tha tpoitn
<c0m> yeah i just did that
<c0m> but it isn't returning 'a list list, only 'a list
<c0m> what am i doing wrong
<c0m> | [xs; ys] -> [List.hd xs; List.hd ys] :: transpose [List.tl xs; List.tl ys]
<c0m> err, i mean it returns back `a list list but it crashes
<c0m> it says list is empty
<c0m> nvm
<c0m> was base case
<c0m> thanks for your time/help :)
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