#ocaml on 2010-03-28 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2010-01-23 20:01 mfp changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.11.2 released | Inscription for OCaml Meeting 2010 is opened http://wiki.cocan.org/events/europe/ocamlmeetingparis2010

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00:15 * eb4890 wonders if he is still banned, and apologises for the spam if he isn't

00:16 <derdon> eb4890: I can hear you :)

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00:17 <derdon> eb4890: so you're probably not banned

00:17 <eb4890> derdon: Thanks. I found out that I needed to register my nickname so I could speak in #ocaml.

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00:18 <derdon> eb4890: a good idea of the moderators of #ocaml

00:20 <eb4890> So my question is, how would people go about making an array or list of functions, when each function is different? I am somewhat new to ocaml.

00:20 <eb4890> I'm not currently using batteries included, so can't use list comprehensions.

00:22 <derdon> eb4890: you could use tuples

00:23 <eb4890> derdon: Hmm. I'll go and have a look.

00:24 <derdon> but I'm not sure if it's good style. I am new to ocaml like you are

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00:27 <eb4890> I think arrays should be okay. All the functions are the same type. They are just partially applied to different arguments. It seems to be a matter of initialising the array.

00:29 <derdon> eb4890: you didn't say that they're all of the same type

00:29 <derdon> so I assumed that they are not

00:30 <eb4890> derdon: Fair enough, I should have been clearer.

00:30 <derdon> good, problem solved :)

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00:33 <eb4890> My trouble is I am creating an array of threads, but I don't want to initialise the array with a single function. I'm trying crazy stuff with obj.magic but getting type errors.

00:34 <eb4890> I'll pastebin it in a bit, once I have commented it.

00:35 <mfp> eb4890: by all means stay away from Obj.magic, especially if you're new to OCaml :-)

00:36 <eb4890> mfp: It wasn't my first choice. I trusted in google telling me stuff.

00:40 <derdon> mfp: good thing that I don't know it yet :)

00:46 <thelema> eb4890: each function is different in type?

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00:50 <eb4890> thelema: Nope same type. But applied to different arguments e.g. (foo x) and (foo (x+1))

00:51 <thelema> then you can use a list or array. Do you have a list or array of the arguments?

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00:53 <eb4890> Thelema: I could create one.

00:54 <eb4890> Anyway code is here http://pastebin.com/y7DgHJYw: Line 34 is where I want to create the array.

00:54 <eb4890> Trim off the : it should be http://pastebin.com/y7DgHJYw

00:57 <thelema> what should go there is what's in your for loop

00:57 <thelema> fun i -> let min = i*n1/numthreads and max = (i+1) * n1 / numthreads in (fun _ -> Thread.create ...)

00:58 <eb4890> But I get my i from the for loop....

00:58 <derdon> eb4890: your indentations and linebreakings are rather odd, not to say shocking

00:59 <thelema> yes, you will get i from Array.init instead

00:59 <derdon> eb4890: and please use EOL79 or EOL80

01:00 <derdon> eb4890: and what's that f in parentheses? it's useless to put a single name into parens

01:00 <derdon> eb4890: and for the lines 27-42 I recommend writing a seperate function

01:01 <eb4890> derdon: it is a function of type a->a->a and should be commutative.

01:01 <derdon> eb4890: and don't forget: inline comments suck!

01:01 <derdon> eb4890: so what? ``a (b) c`` is equivalent to ``a b c``

01:02 <eb4890> thelema:Let me have a look at Array.init.

01:05 <eb4890> derdon: I started ocaml a couple of days ago. My reasoning was this f is a function. How does the compiler know whether myfunc f a means apply f to a and then myfunc to whatever f returns or myfunc to f and then the function that returns to a. I was being safe rather than sorry.

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01:06 <derdon> eb4890: ``myfunc f a`` applies the function myfunc with the arguments f and a

01:07 <derdon> eb4890: ``myfunc (f a)`` is different. is applies the function f with the argument a and gives this return to myfunc as a parameter

01:08 <derdon> eb4890: you might see the difference there: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/194663/

01:09 <derdon> eb4890: the first attempt is equal to ``(print_int 1) + 3``

01:09 <derdon> which is ``() + 3`` after the first step of evaluation

01:10 <derdon> and unit + int cannot be calculated

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01:24 <eb4890> Thelema: Thanks I somehow was reading the wrong function.

01:24 <thelema> no problem. Array.init is exactly what you want for this situation.

01:28 <thelema> you probably don't want the (fun _ -> ) around your Thread.create, I think.

01:29 <eb4890> I borrowed that off something else I found that was working on the manycore variant of haskell. Which is what I want to go to eventually. It seemed to work on an earlier broken version.

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01:34 <eb4890> thelema: Well I did need to get rid of it. Now I have a bug somewhere else. Thanks for your help.

01:34 <thelema> you're welcome.

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02:34 <eb4890> Hmm, with large arrays my code takes significantly longer in oc4mc. So long I don't think it will halt...

02:35 <thelema> try forking

02:36 <thelema> how big of arrays?

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02:37 <eb4890> Thelema: It is not my code. Even doing a normal fold_left seems to make it hang. An array of 1000000, which normal ocaml deals with in a handful of secs.

02:40 <eb4890> Sorry 10000000. Counting 0s is not easy this late, which means I should probably sleep on it.

02:44 <eb4890> Thelema: Actually turns out it doesn't like creating a 10 million sized array. I'll file a bug report or question tomorrow.

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02:50 <thelema> 32-bit ocaml?

02:51 <eb4890> I'm running on 64bit. And I'm using max as my test function, so I should be going into bignum territory.

02:52 <eb4890> shouldn't*

02:52 <eb4890> Anyway sleep.

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