gildor changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.12.1 http://bit.ly/nNVIVH
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<NaCl> woohoo! utop is throwing an exception!
<NaCl> Not_found
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<NaCl> never mind , operator error/stupidity
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<lewis1711> does anyone know a mirror for the caml.inria.fr site? can't get at the o'reilly book. and yes I have been googling.
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<lewis1711> thanks adrien (ironically enough the inria page that lasted the mirrors was also down :D)
<adrien> heheh :P
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<flux> how do people access the batteries documentation from within emacs?
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<sgnb> diml: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-ocaml-maint/packages/obus.git;a=commitdiff;h=abf78a31e6027cec05fdd4d150b7652d4303c5f8 <- is that normal?
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<adrien> rwmjones: hi, have thougt about writing some kind of post-mortem about guestfs-browser? or maybe have already done one
<adrien> I recently found out that ocamlbuild supported per-folder _tags files, is that new or did I manage to not notice for years?
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<diml> sgnb: no
<sgnb> diml: can you fix it?
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<diml> sgnb: yes
<diml> sgnb: i have uploaded a new archive
<sgnb> diml: on place?
<diml> yes
<sgnb> diml: please, never do that
<sgnb> thanks anyway
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<thelema> adrien: per folder _tags have been around since the beginning of ocamlbuild
<thelema> flux: via firefox, no magic shortcuts
<adrien> thanks, probably lost some time with that but it's ok
<flux> thelema, :(
<flux> manual pages would be nice, but apparently I haven't submitted a patch ;)
<flux> ..integrated tuareg support would be supreme!
<thelema> flux: you'd want it to be pointing at a symbol and to look that symbol up in the documentation?
<thelema> i.e. with cursor (point) on top of "Map.union" , pressing F8 would bring up the docs for BatMap#union?
<flux> that would be superior. tuareg has some support for it, but simple things, such as the naming bat3num.mli, confuses it already. I doubt it infers module aliases.
<thelema> I wonder if -annot can resolve all the aliasing for tuareg...
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<NaCl> is there an environment variable for setting up the ocaml library path?
<NaCl> or, changing it?
<adrien> ocaml or ocamlfind?
<NaCl> uh
<NaCl> probably the latter
<NaCl> mmmm... library with no examples
<adrien> you can edit etc/ocamlfind.conf
<thelema> OCAMLFIND_PATH too, iirc
<adrien> and see 'man 5 findlib.conf', "Environment" section
<thelema> nope, OCAMLPATH
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<adrien> I'm under the impression some might be missing from the various places, but they're mentionned for guides on how to install ocaml on windows (since you have to set these variables usually)
<NaCl> indeed
<NaCl> ocamlfind: Package zed is already installed
<NaCl> ...
<NaCl> I know that.
<NaCl> any way to get that message to go away without nuking the install?
<adrien> what are you attempting? what have you done in the past?
<adrien> local install?
<NaCl> no.
<NaCl> I installed it to my root via my package manager. I want to overwrite it
<adrien> why do you want to not nuke the install (of the package?)
<NaCl> because I made changes to it
<thelema> NaCl: ocamlfind remove zed
<NaCl> uh, what does that remove?
<adrien> normally, everything
<NaCl> never mind, i don't care!
<thelema> whatever was installed by the last ocamlfind install zed
<adrien> but if you try to install over, you'll remove everything anyway
<NaCl> Removed /usr/lib64/ocaml/zed
<adrien> too much choice: labelled arguments, classes, structures, first-class modules
<NaCl> yes
* NaCl likes it when there is only one effective way to do something
<NaCl> eh
* NaCl retracts that
<adrien> if I do something like "let f = o#foo", will it remove the need to lookup the method?
<thelema> adrien: no
<thelema> but honestly, it's not worth thinking about that cost.
<thelema> until after profiling your code, at least
<adrien> thelema: so each time I'd call 'f', I would have that lookup?
<adrien> yeah but I can't find another reason to chose one over another :P
<thelema> yes, although there's a cache on method lookups for each object, so whatever method was last called is found *super* quickly the next time
<thelema> to choose one what?
<adrien> (and actually I'll probably have a lot of fonction calls)
<adrien> I need to pass a bunch of functions to another function. I can use a record (what I'll probably do), a class or a first-class module
<thelema> or a tuple or a functor or a lazy functor
<adrien> I started with a functor but I'll have to call it several times so it doesn't really work
<adrien> what's a lazy functor?
<NaCl> whoa I made a working modification
* NaCl beams
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* adrien gets the champagne
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<mauke> what happened to http://caml.inria.fr?
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<adrien> DNS rebellion, the machines are taking over the world =/
<NaCl> mauke: lost to the void of misconfigured DNS
<NaCl> adrien: and, actually, that active DVI thing looks pretty cool
<adrien> agreed, never tried it though
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<fenard> hi
<adrien> hi
<NaCl> hi
<fenard> hello
<fenard> did anyone checked out www.baoug.org ?
<fenard> it's an ocaml challenges platform
<NaCl> I took a peek at it
<adrien> same here
<fenard> you can either post problems or submit solutions
<fenard> oh cool
<fenard> any feedback? :)
<NaCl> on the "previous activity" thing on the right, I would make the name of the challenge a bit more obvious
<NaCl> like color it or something
<NaCl> ack! programming league stuff
* NaCl runs away fast
<fenard> @NaCl right there is a lot of work in terms of ux ..
<fenard> that website was supposed to be written a a large evening
<NaCl> no need for the @. :P
<adrien> fenard: I saw someone mentionned as having submitted a solution this morning for the hello world but it doesn't seem to be visible, is it the case or am I blind?
<NaCl> Ah, gotcha
<fenard> adrien right solutions are not visible
<fenard> they are stored, so we can rank them and display the max score for instance
<NaCl> fenard: also, I would personally not go for the themed text edits.
<fenard> NaCl, sry for the @ :)
<NaCl> no worries, just a nitpick. :)
<NaCl> fenard: I can't resize them if I wanted to
<fenard> ha
<fenard> ok right
<adrien> fenard: because I thought the count bits one might have interesting solutions (different peoples, different styles)
<fenard> mauke, we plan to add more "ocaml specific" features, such as typechecking on client size, (using an interpreter compiled to js), and keep iterating on this
<fenard> adding tutorials for instance
<fenard> adrien right
<mauke> meh
<fenard> we could imagine that the challenge writer would be able to "close" the challenge and display the solutions, or sth like that
<fenard> there's a lot of work ahead :)
<adrien> I understand the motivation to hide the solutions too, so if you find a good middle-ground... :-)
<adrien> well, yes, maybe
<fenard> if you want to join the discussion (or development!), we have a fresh google group at groups.google.com/group/baoug
<flux> fenard, I was thinking of a similar thing some time ago.. however, on the basis that I need code that implements a certain function, and I don't want to write it :)
<fenard> well :)
<fenard> there is now a codebase that you can improve ! :)
<flux> indeed :)
<flux> especially it's a body of eliom code, which interests me..
<fenard> oh, you're looking at ocsigen? it's a great framework
<flux> yes, it is
<flux> I have a couple projects I'd like to do on ocsigen
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<flux> especially the new comet stuff interests me, although I have had my own earlier for the same thing
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<NaCl> gildor: would you kindly delete the "nacl" account on ocamlforge at your earliest convenience? I never got around to activating it and now it's not letting me. :/
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