#ocaml on 2012-09-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2011-07-12 19:41 gildor changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.12.1 http://bit.ly/nNVIVH

00:00 <larhat> hcarty: btw, Lwt_zmq.Socket.send sends data immediately and returns Lwt.unit, even without Lwt_main.run. Is it ok?

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02:46 <rgrinberg> is there any sparse LA libs for ocaml?

02:46 <rgrinberg> i don't see any sparse support in lacaml

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09:45 <MHD> What is the best practice: object val mutable a = ... end or object val a = ref ... end ?

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10:03 <Drakken> MHD as long as it's in an object, I would just make it mutable.

10:04 <MHD> It just feels odd having two different thingies

10:05 <MHD> What about nullable types? Is there a standart way to do that?

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10:07 <Drakken> options

10:07 <Drakken> type 'a option = None | Some of 'a

10:08 <MHD> ok, so it is the exact same as Haskell's Maybe

10:08 <Drakken> right

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10:31 <MHD> any standardised way of avoidinng boilerplate get/set pairs?

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12:11 <flux> well, you can sometimes do let set, get = mk_setter_getter t 42 if that suits your problem

12:11 <thelema_> flux: for an object?

12:12 <flux> oh, I didn't realize it was for an object

12:12 <flux> that won't work there

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12:12 <hcarty> If larhat comes back or reads this in a log somewhere - The oasis-generated files are available in the 'release' branch; I had not seen camlunity/lwt_zmq; I'll look into Lwt_zmq.Socket.send

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12:20 <fasta> Is there some way to get rid of all the spam that's send to the caml list? I am talking about things like 'call for posters for <insert boring conference>'?

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12:21 <fasta> sent*

12:21 <fasta> Can't those people just get their own mailing list like boringconferenceaccouncements@ocaml.org?

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12:22 <fasta> OUD is the only conference announcement, I woudl think is appropriate for the list.

12:22 <fasta> would*

12:23 <fasta> Also, with their "Second call", 3rd call for papers, they look like worse people than those who operate illegal callcenters.

12:23 <fasta> If the first time people don't care about your little conference, why would they do a second or third time?

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12:29 <adrien> yes: configure your mail client; these emails have a very recognizable format so you won't have troubles doing it

12:29 <fasta> adrien: it's not recognizable.

12:29 <fasta> adrien: there is First, first, 1st, etc.

12:30 <fasta> adrien: what they should do is add some meta-data to it, such that it is easy to filter.

12:30 <fasta> Some standardized format.

12:31 <Kakadu> fasta: try to collect messages with 'Call for' in title

12:31 <fasta> I am almost done creating a stupid filter by hand.

12:31 <fasta> I just find it stupid that everyone has to do this.

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13:00 <flux> simply train your spam filter to detect them

13:00 <flux> :)

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13:36 <Kakadu> hey. I'm having fun with that error message: http://paste.in.ua/4735/

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13:37 <Kakadu> f[x] have mentioned that there is a bug in mantis about improving error messages for records and tuples. Any help too find ID?

13:37 <Kakadu> s/too/to/

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13:44 <flux> I think maybe a function with 50 arguments is not the common case :)

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13:45 <Kakadu> flux: maybe, but understanding what is wrong is a little bit untrivial :)

13:46 <flux> use diff :)

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13:47 <flux> actually meld almost works for that..

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13:48 <flux> and you can reduce differencies by annotating with proper types :)

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14:01 <thelema_> Kakadu: I agree with flux; don't have 50 arguments. It looks like you have some structure to your arguments, maybe you could pass a number of records?

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14:02 <thelema_> i.e. instead of memory_{target,static_max,dynamic_max,dynamic_min,static_min}, have a single record with all those values

14:02 <thelema_> and pass that record as parameter.

14:03 <Kakadu> thelema_: I'll investigate is this part of xen-api autogenerated or not...

14:03 <Kakadu> thanks

14:03 <Kakadu> flux: you too

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14:53 <eikke> anyone with some Async experience around?

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15:44 <hnrgrgr> "The state of the core Caml system" by Xavier Leroy @ OUD 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANwpbkSxHZs

15:45 <hcarty> hnrgrgr: Thanks for the link :-)

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15:48 <adrien> oh, will have to listen to that

15:48 <adrien> and I want rtti! :P

15:50 <thelema_> adrien: possibly in 4.00.1

15:50 <adrien> _that_ soon? :o

15:50 <adrien> \o/

15:50 <hnrgrgr> adrien: around 13min.

15:50 <hnrgrgr> I would say 4.1

15:50 <adrien> I want it for a GUI for options

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15:52 <thelema_> surprisingly, yes.

15:57 <adrien> it's pretty awesome =]

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16:05 <mehdid> hnrgrgr: do you know if malcolm wallace will publish the rest of the presentations?

16:06 <mehdid> In any case, thanks for the link! :)

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16:10 <hnrgrgr> mehdid: he will publish any presentation for which the speaker gives an explicit authorization... no further info, sorry.

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16:42 <DaoWen> If I have two Person records with the same birthday and SSN but different names, is there a way I can tell the = function to ignore the names and say they're equal if they're otherwise structurally equal, or do I just need to declare my own comparison function?

16:44 <Kakadu> DaoWen: your own, I think

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