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<cantstanya> troydm: nice article.
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<troydm> cantstanya: thx :)
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<rwmjones> mantis--
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<f[x]> hello grumpy rwmjones :)
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<orbitz> Ohh, ygreks job posting looks interesting
<adrien_oww> ahhhhh
* adrien_oww checks his robots.txt :D
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<orbitz> :)
<orbitz> Seems like a riduciously hard market to get into, but building a huge database sounds like fun
<adrien_oww> I need to check something because I know there was a bot which went insane on a bugtracker
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<hcarty> mk270: I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. It may be possible but I'm not sure.
<companion_cube> o/
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<hcarty> companion_cube: Hello
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<companion_cube> hi hcarty
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<kerneis> ousado: /win 1
<mk270> hcarty: thanks for looking into this
<kerneis> sorry
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<mk270> hcarty: i have this long-standing plan to document all the best practices around the toolchain, but keep ending up debugging the toolchain
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<philed> Anyone know if there's a standard "scrap your boilerplate" solution in Ocaml?
* companion_cube doesn't even know what this is supposed to mean
<gasche> philed: type-conv is probably the closest thing
<gasche> but it's compile-time syntactic metaprogramming
<gasche> companion_cube: it more or less means "ocaml-ty"
<philed> gasche: Cheers! I'll check it out.
<philed> Actually, I might just try this ocaml-ty.
<philed> The stuff I want to scrap boilerplate on are the compiler types anyway :P
<gasche> can you say more about what you're trying to do?
<gasche> (but I'm leaving in about 5 minutes)
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<gasche> if you only want convenient traversal functions for the compiler's AST for example, this already exists
<kerneis> also, you probably don't want to use it, but camlp4 has functions to generate fold and map
<kerneis> philed: I wondered exactly the same thing a few days ago
<kerneis> and found this: http://oops.math.spbu.ru/syb-ocaml/
<kerneis> I've read the article, but I'm only moderately convinced
<Drup> you can use deriving too, for fold/map generation
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<kerneis> Drup: is deriving still maintained?
<Drup> sure
<Drup> ask hnrgrgr about it
<philed> gashe: Are they part of the compiler distribution?
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<philed> kerneis: Cheers. I found that one too, just now, and was wondering whether the ideas in the papers had been standardised as a common library somewhere.
<kerneis> using type-witnesses is a bit cumbersome in practice
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<companion_cube> gasche: ah
<companion_cube> sad
<Drup> philed: sure, you can find them in parsing/ast_mapper
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<Drup> hum, that may be only in trunk, I don't remember
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<Drup> nope, it's in the stable version, and should be exported by compiler_libs.
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<philed> Drup: Cheers! Should have looked harder.
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<Drup> in general, you can read some document about the last changes in the AST in experimental/frisch. Depending of what you want to do, it may be of interest
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<bjkeller> my opam is in a state where I can't have both core and utop/lwt installed at the same time
<Drup> why ?
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<bjkeller> when I have core installed, installing lwt/utop removes core and vice versa
<Drup> does it says "solver time out" when you do that ?
<bjkeller> I'm getting an "External solver failed with inconsistent return value" warning
<Drup> huum
<bernardofpc> Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd-gtk+2.0_2.24.10-2-i386-Tg7Q_2/gtk+2.0-2.24.10/gtk/gtktextview.c:4611:gtk_text_view_paint: code should not be reached -> with coqide compiled from opam
<bernardofpc> (another bug: coqide does not recognize Mod4)
<Drup> bjkeller: what is your system ?
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<bjkeller> osx 10.9.2, brewed ocaml 4.01.0, opam 1.1.1
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<Drup> ok, I don't think I can help you, but you should open a bug report for opam
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<Drup> the real issue is this "External solver failed with inconsistent return value"
<bjkeller> yes, I'd seen some previously closed issues with that message
<Drup> you could open a bug report "don't even try to do bullshit when the solver fails" too, but that's a different issue :p
<Drup> cc AltGr
<AltGr> Drup, done on trunk :)
<Drup> :D
<AltGr> and it suggests re-running with `--use-internal-solver`
<Drup> nice
<Drup> I need to investigate the issue with aspcud on archlinux, though, because I didn't manage to make it work, and it seems to be quite reproducible with other archlinux installs.
<AltGr> bjkeller, to make sure you can specify both packages on the command-line: `opam install utop core`
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<AltGr> Drup: "don't even try to do bullshit..." -> then I am going to mistake your reports for Bünzli's :)
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<adrien_oww> hahaha :D
<Drup> :]
<AltGr> bjkeller, if you do that, in case it's really impossible it will at least explain why (well on trunk at least. _much_ improved error reporting, 1.2.0-beta tba soon)
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<AltGr> Drup, thanks a lot if you can help fix ports of aspcud
<Drup> I tried to find the issue already
<bjkeller> AltGr: OK will try it. I do like the "don't even try to do this..." version of the warning...
<Drup> but unsuccessfully :/
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<pippijn> if I want to distribute a modified ocaml compiler, do I need to do so in the form of patches?
<mrvn> the license tells you
<pippijn> 3. You may make modifications to the Software and distribute your
<pippijn> modifications, in a form that is separate from the Software, such as
<pippijn> patches.
<pippijn> "yes"?
<mrvn> no
<mrvn> you can distribute the patched source too
<adrien_oww> I don't know if it's the usual interpretation of the QPL but I'm fairly certain that XL has stated he interpeted full sources as a valid way to distribute modified sources
<pippijn> okay
<mrvn> GPL certainy accepts that
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<hcarty> jpdeplaix: ping
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<hcarty> mk270: I think I have a fix/working approach. I'm not certain, and it may not be applicable everywhere.
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<hcarty> mk270: https://forge.ocamlcore.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=291&aid=1383&group_id=54 -- ocamlbuild-pack.tar.gz attached to that bug report works for me. A similar approach should work with binaries too.
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<Drup> vbmithr: I have a weird issue when I try to use your original pkg with the updated repository
<Drup> I sometime got a "sh : ocp-build file busy" or something
<Drup> (I can't reproduce anymore, obviously =')
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<whitequark> is sexplib able to serialize structures with loops?
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<flux> my answer would be 'no', at least judging from the time I used it last
<flux> as the conversion from data types to s-expressions is pretty straight-forward, so I don't see how loops would be represented.. without using some ids.
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<whitequark> right.
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<mrvn> I hate writing C bindings when I don't know how the ocaml interface should look like.
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<f[x]> mrvn, do the lowest level possible bindings - then experiment with highlevel interface in ocaml - at last stage tweaking the bindings for speed?
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<mrvn> f[x]: this should run multithreaded so I need to put data structures into C so the GC doesn't move them around under me.
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<mrvn> for % I would rather use x*100/y or x*1000/y than 16.16 fixed point though.
<mrvn> args, ewin
<mk270> hcarty: thanks again!
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<hcarty> mk270: Sure thing - I hope it's useful for you :-)
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<hcarty> mk270: It works for a simple example using ocamlbuild only. If oasis is updated to support this then so much the better.
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