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tautologico: just define an opam repository localy
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check the opam repository tutorial for how to do it
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bernardofpc >
The following packages have been UPDATED upstream: - camlp5.6.11 - coq.8.4pl2
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bernardofpc >
^ what exactly should I do with this kind of message ?
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bernardofpc >
opam upgrade does nothing, but I do have coq.8.4pl2 installed... so should I rebuild it ? how ?
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companion_cube >
I think that's ok
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adrien_oww >
you're a lumberjack
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bernardofpc >
"ok" to rebuild ?
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bernardofpc >
or "ok" to "do nothing" ?
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companion_cube >
do nothing
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companion_cube >
if you try opam upgrade , you may not have anything to update imho
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kerneis >
ocamlopt.opt returns "Fatal error: exception Stack_overflow" when I try to compile a large file :-(
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flux >
large as in machine-generated?
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kerneis >
yes, 5.4MB
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flux >
file an issue about it :)
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flux >
it could be it could be addressed by changing the generator a bit
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kerneis >
it's a bit hard to reduce this to a minimal case, but I'll try
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kerneis >
ocamlc.opt handles it correctly btw
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ggole >
Could be mapping a huge list
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kerneis >
I have a minimal test case
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ggole >
A lot of the stdlib functions are not tail recursive, so they can blow the stack
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adrien_oww >
and ocamlopt (not .opt) errors out too?
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adrien_oww >
you can raise the stack limit for bytecode
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adrien_oww >
but overall, the trace would be helfpul in a bug report
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whitequark >
where is canonical source for ocaml-inotify?!
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<
whitequark >
it seems to have been updated to 1.4 recently, but I can't even find 1.4 anywhere
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whitequark >
oh, tps://github.com/seanmcl/ocaml-inotify
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kerneis >
adrien_oww: Fatal error: exception Stack_overflow
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kerneis >
(Cannot print stack backtrace: program not linked with -g)
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ggole >
You could try raising the stack limit with, I think, ulimit -Ss 32768
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ggole >
That won't inform you of the source of the problem, but it may let you compile your code.
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flux >
kerneis, did you link it with -g?-)
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ggole >
He probably did not build the compiler
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kerneis >
this is how opam builds the compiler apparently
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ggole >
(Er, I shouldn't assume that kerneis is a he. Sorry.)
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kerneis >
ggole: no offence, you must assume
*something* after all
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kerneis >
(and, as a matter of fact, I am)
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ggole >
Well, I could just use your name there without too much damage to the sentence.
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kerneis >
someone recently assumed I spoke German because of my name --- that was fun
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Mmm, assumptions are very easy to fall into.
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whitequark >
or "they"
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kerneis >
Upload File (Maximum size: 2,097k)
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adrien_oww >
kerneis: ='(
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adrien_oww >
100 % 135.9 KiB / 5,459.9 KiB = 0.025 0:02
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adrien_oww >
xz is <3
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adrien_oww >
-rw-r--r-- 1 adrien users 245K Apr 8 15:29 gistfile1.ml.gz
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adrien_oww >
-rw-r--r-- 1 adrien users 136K Apr 8 15:29 gistfile1.ml.xz
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kerneis >
ah, I could have done that indeed
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kerneis >
I guess I'm too young to know those tools
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adrien_oww >
xz is fairly recent :)
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chris2 >
i'm trying to understand ocamlmktop... i use ocamlmktop -I _build -o foo _build/a.cmo _build/b.cmo
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chris2 >
but i can only "open A;;" when i run ./foo -I _build
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chris2 >
shouldnt that stuff builtin somehow?
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companion_cube >
I'm sorry, I never used ocamlmktop
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* chris2
ponders just making a init file
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companion_cube >
.ocamlinit files are cool, indeed
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ggole >
I usually make a .ocamlinit and #cd in it
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ggole >
You tend to want to install printers and maybe make some short module names for toplevelling anyway
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ggole >
By the way, if you are using ocamlbuild, there's a nice shortcut for making toplevels
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chris2 >
but i kinda expected ocamlmktop to result in a standalone byte file
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chris2 >
not sure why it needs -I at all
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ggole >
Create a toplevel.mltop with a list of the names of the modules you want included, and then ocamlbuild toplevel.top
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ggole >
Otherwise it can't find the .cmo files it links to
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adrien_oww >
.ocamlinit files are PURE CRAP
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ggole >
They're fine for testing stuff in the toplevel
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adrien_oww >
I shall explain
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adrien_oww >
".ocamlinit" in $PWD is awful
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adrien_oww >
remove the '.' and I'm fine with them
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ggole >
They could be problematic if you want to distribute them to other devs
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ggole >
Since you lose access to whatever happens to be in ~/.ocamlinit
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ggole >
I don't understand the issue: how is that different to any other dotfile?
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adrien_oww >
because they're read from the
_current_ directory and not only $HOME
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adrien_oww >
they're hidden
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adrien_oww >
if I make you clone a repository and you then run 'ocaml' from it, I've gotten you to run any code I wanted
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ggole >
If I'm cloning an untrusted repository, I'm in pretty hot water anyway :)
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ggole >
But point taken.
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hcarty >
companion_cube: I replied to your email, but to repeat - yes, more frequent releases! Particularly patch-level bugfix and backwards-compatible minor releases.
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hcarty >
companion_cube: Of course it's easy for me to say that as a Batteries user who only contributes code infrequently.
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adrien_oww >
ggole: thing is you only have to 'cd' into the directory
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companion_cube >
o/ hcarty
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hcarty >
companion_cube: Greetings
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ggole >
adrien_oww: so you'd what, write a wrapper script that passed -init some_explicit_file.ocamlinit?
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companion_cube >
it looks like Core does something like this, they release pretty often
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adrien_oww >
ggole: s/.ocamlinit/ocamlinit/
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hcarty >
I'm not sure how their release numbering works as they seem to introduce backwards-incompatible changes without major version number bumps.
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hcarty >
It would be nice if Batteries maintained its current adherence to semantic versioning
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companion_cube >
right
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companion_cube >
just bumping the third component would do.
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companion_cube >
(although currently we have some new features)
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pippijn >
gasche: Boris Düdder, Moritz Martens and Jakob Rehof. Staged Composition Synthesis
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is entirely puzzled by opam's behavior
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whitequark >
opam upgrade says: 8 to reinstall | 1 to upgrade | 25 to downgrade
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whitequark >
how on earth is that "upgrade"?!
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whitequark >
now it's even this: 8 to reinstall | 0 to upgrade | 25 to downgrade
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gasche >
whitequark: trunk opam versions can explain to you the choices they make
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gasche >
also you need to use an external solver
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gasche >
pippijn: yeah, I know about that brand of work, I met them at last year's ESOP
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gasche >
are they presenting their work at ESOP right now?
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whitequark >
how do I properly specify a conditional dependency in oasis?
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whitequark >
e.g. "only build Lwt_inotify if --enable-lwt is passed"
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companion_cube >
use a Flag
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whitequark >
yeah, I just looked at Lwt, too
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companion_cube >
at first glance, it does
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whitequark >
\o/ it works
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companion_cube >
oasis makes ./configure really easy :)
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whitequark >
it does.
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pippijn >
gasche: yes
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elfring >
Did anybody try to build OCaml software with the tool "CMake" already?
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Drup >
Use oasis already.
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adrien >
the horror
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unknownmosquito >
aint that the truth
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mrvn >
since when does cmake support ocaml?
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adrien >
I don't think it does
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whitequark >
cmake seems fine to me
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whitequark >
(but I wish they used e.g. Lua instead of a homegrown DSL)
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adrien >
their dsl is complete crap
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<
adrien >
it's macros, it's ugly, it's worse than viml and it's inconsisten
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adrien >
basically it's COBOL, PHP and m4 in a single language
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adrien >
yeah, remove the dsl and you might get something fine(*)
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adrien >
but the dsl is something that defines the tool
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adrien >
(*) it lacks support in some fields, most notably cross-compilation and it seems the people behind it insist on reinventing everything
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unknownmosquito >
what's m4
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adrien >
template language
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mrvn >
a macro language
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unknownmosquito >
gotcha
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unknownmosquito >
soo I'm basically hanging out in here because I'm ocaml-curious lol, just for the record
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unknownmosquito >
there aren't too many folks in here so I thought I'd say that
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unknownmosquito >
just sort of interested to see how the community is generally
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unknownmosquito >
i'm glad the channel doesnt appear to be a ghost town
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malvarez >
well I'm glad to see that more and more people are curious about ocaml
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well I need a new language for messing around with outside of work, because I got a job that's writing primarily Python and that used to be my "fun" language. I decided I wanted something high level, statically typed, and that compiles to native bytecode
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unknownmosquito >
and I played with Haskell a bit over the summer and enjoyed that
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unknownmosquito >
and I interviewed with Jane Street in NY over the summer also, and they use OCaml for everything and that piqued my interest
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unknownmosquito >
but OCaml seems like it fits the bill for "something different" to make me a better coder -- considered a few other languages, Rust and Go among others, but IDK, I keep coming back to OCaml, it seems to be what I want to write in
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gargawel >
Hi, does anyone know a quick and easy way to decompose a float into the underlying sign/mantissa/exponent representation ?
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gargawel >
It wouldn't be hard to do it in C and call that function from OCaml, I'm just wondering whether there is an existing lib that would spare me the burden of writing those 50 lines of code.
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Drup >
gargawel: found it : BatFloat.frexp
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Drup >
and signbit for the sign
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Drup >
oh, it's in the stdlib already, in fact
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gargawel >
Drup: <3 Thanks :)
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gargawel >
frexp as well ?
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Drup >
yes, in Pervasives
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gargawel >
heeeey: val frexp : float -> float * int
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gargawel >
why is the significand a float in the return type ?
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nlucaroni >
probably since it's between 0 and 1 .
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gargawel >
Just getting the "integer" value of the corresponding bits would be easier to handle, but OK
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gargawel >
that's not too hard to get
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unknownmosquito >
wow this is cool Drup
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unknownmosquito >
thanks for the link
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unknownmosquito >
(also holy crap how that like five line sample of Python expanded to several hundred lines of ATS)
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Drup >
that's normal
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unknownmosquito >
haha I'd never heard of ATS before but it doesn't sound like fun
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unknownmosquito >
"Go is worse than OCaml in just about every respect" LOL
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probably the only thing go excels at is attracting c coders to something slightly less horrible
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in many situation, yes. but if you don't want (or can't use) a GC, Go can't help you. so it's not really a replacement for C/C++
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malvarez >
i never understood the hype with go myself
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malvarez >
but i know a few python guys that are ok with no type safety and love it
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