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companion_cube: ah cool. Personally I'm not fan of such extensions, btu I'm sure a lot of people will like it (I'm very into seperating code from tests because usually I want to view these in isolation)
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<companion_cube>
orbitz: the point would be to make writing tests easier
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<jerry__>
hi !
<companion_cube>
hi jerry__
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<jerry__>
adren_oww I've got a question I 've build win builds everything seems there but windows_64/x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++-4.8.2.exe is missing any clue ?
<jerry__>
iI did use the 1.4.0 version of win-builds
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<jerry__>
hi companion_cube
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<adrien_oww>
jerry__: that's not the expected name; in its longest form, it is x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++-4.8.2
<adrien_oww>
the mingw32 thing is added by some distros but it shouldn't be there usually
<adrien_oww>
also, what is your host OS? windows or linux?
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<Drup>
whitequark: a function can only be in one module, right ?
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<whitequark>
yes
<whitequark>
it's owned by the module and will be deallocated with it
<companion_cube>
?
<whitequark>
companion_cube: LLVM
<companion_cube>
oh.
<Drup>
whitequark: and a module is associated to a context
<Drup>
I don't find any function to find the contexte from a function
<whitequark>
go through the module
<Drup>
that's the point, I don't find function -> module
<whitequark>
function_parent or smth
<whitequark>
oh, global_parent llfun
<whitequark>
(** {7 Operations on global variables, functions, and aliases (globals)} *)
* whitequark
mumbles something about reading docs
<Drup>
global! ffs >_<
<Drup>
seriously, the guy who choose these names should be hanged.
<whitequark>
I suppose it's mainly the fact that an OO hierarchy was forcibly flattened.
<whitequark>
fun->parent() is nowhere as bad
<Drup>
fun#parent would have been fine too.
<whitequark>
it's flattened in the LLVM-C interface. also, objects are slow
<whitequark>
and you *will* bump into the performance of the API bridge in a real-world application
<whitequark>
apparently, it's bad enough that the binding used to define most of functions as `external` in the mli files (but that breaks for other reasons)
<Drup>
maybe, I'm not doing real world applications anyway :D
<whitequark>
you dont?
<Drup>
of course not, I'm doing research, that's obviously not real world :3
<Drup>
about objects, I think the performance cost of OO in ocaml would be negligible compared to the convoluted access through 2 bindings.
<whitequark>
disagree
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<whitequark>
convoluted access through 2 bindings is more or less two jumps (one of which could be inlined away if you compile your stuff statically)
<avsm>
whitequark: why not just distribute with 0install?
<whitequark>
avsm: how would that help?
<Drup>
whitequark: I noticed the projet, just didn't know what it was
<whitequark>
avsm: there's basically: 1) Debian/Ubuntu packages 2) a single static binary you can drop *anywhere* to instantly make a server
<avsm>
whitequark: compile multiple binaries using the native toolchains on the relevant linuces
<avsm>
whitequark: 0install selects the right one
<whitequark>
avsm: um, after doing that, why not just wrap them into relevant packages? :)
<avsm>
whitequark: because you're respecting the host os toolchain
<whitequark>
I'm not distributing weird proprietary crap, ideally I'd push it into upstream
<avsm>
well yeah — just forget binary distribution on linux. It's broken
<whitequark>
how so?
<whitequark>
only thing I have to avoid is depending on syscalls that are too new. I believe I don't do that.
<whitequark>
glibc breaks ld -static, but it would absolutely work with musl-libc
<avsm>
and hope that the various glibc-isms work in non-mainstream libcs
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<avsm>
nsswitch, pam and so on
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<avsm>
but really, isn't a source distribution in the spirit of a least authority filesystem? :-)
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<whitequark>
for a regular user, it doesn't matter whether they trust (cryptographically signed by authors) source or (cryptographically signed by authors) binary
<NoNNaN>
whitequark: glibc is versioned, you can link it to older/oldest version
<whitequark>
because they aren't reviewing it entirely
<whitequark>
NoNNaN: and then discover that old glibc can't load new nsswitch modules? ew
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<whitequark>
I doubt that glibc/nsswitch modules are designed to be both forward and backwards compatible, like Qt
<lordkryss>
but it needs brackets like it's a tuple
<mrvn>
as in you always need the (x,y,z)
<whitequark>
lordkryss: there's not a better answer than "that's how constructors work in OCaml"
<whitequark>
they're a bit hacky in that regard
<mrvn>
lordkryss: yeah. That part is a bit screwy in ocaml
<whitequark>
you can't currify them
<lordkryss>
i'm still not sure about that the reason for the brackets :S
<mrvn>
Maybe soon the first class, curried constructors are ready to be merged
<whitequark>
!!!!
<lordkryss>
everytime i used them in a match pattern or in a parameter definitoin they needs brackets around?
<whitequark>
FINALLY
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<Drup>
lordkryss: not in a match
<Drup>
just when inlined in the function definition
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<Drup>
mrvn: link to the bug report/PR/whatever ?
<mrvn>
or anywhere where "C x" is parsed as "(C) (x)"
<lordkryss>
oh... indeed if i do let point_of = function etc it doesn't
<mrvn>
Drup: don't have one
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<lordkryss>
this language is weird, interesting but weird
<mrvn>
lordkryss: it's a matter of precedence
<lordkryss>
mrvn, i thought in the definition of a function it understood that it was a parameter
<mrvn>
lordkryss: it is, in fact you have specified 2
<whitequark>
lordkryss: I think syntax is probably the worst part of OCaml. but once you get through its idiosyncrasies, lots of them, it's very smooth
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<lordkryss>
mrvn, oh, one being "Pos" and one being the triplet?
<mrvn>
lordkryss: the argument list for the function has a higher precedence than the constructor argument.
<mrvn>
lordkryss: yes.
<lordkryss>
and Pos makes no sense on its own right? that's why it complains?
<mrvn>
lordkryss: yep
<lordkryss>
oh, now i got it, thanks a lot everybody
<mrvn>
it's fun when it clicks
<ousado>
whitequark: nice!
<whitequark>
ousado: what is?
<lordkryss>
i think if ocaml syntax was a little more "verbose" it would be easier to learn though :(
<ousado>
(LAFS clone)
<whitequark>
ousado: it's not really LAFS clone, it has different goals. LAFS wants redundancy, I leave that to underlying storage (possibly LAFS!)
<ousado>
still nice :)
<whitequark>
and I move the "gateway" in the LAFS parlance strictly to the machine accessing data
<whitequark>
therefore, nothing outside of the current host is ever trusted
<ousado>
oh, I misread dropbox clone as LAFS clone
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<whitequark>
LAFS authors actually write a dropbox clone based on LAFS themselves, but it doesn't seem to go well or something
<avsm>
looking forward to integrating it with Irmin git
<whitequark>
avsm: how exactly do you want to do that?
<whitequark>
I mean, chances are it's already ready--I'm now ironing out access control--but I'm not sure what's the point
<avsm>
…so you have version control of the underlying file store
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<whitequark>
already do
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<whitequark>
I've a persistent data structure that represents a chain of all versions of the "repository"
<whitequark>
it's markedly similar to git in some respects.
<whitequark>
it's also different in that I have "submodules" which track HEAD rather than a specific revision, and also pubkey-based access control.
<avsm>
ack, not looked at it yet in detail. there are some other reasons for Irmin — data structures over the graph (queues, sets, maps, etc), transactions over trees
<companion_cube>
remind me what irmin is? a git filesystem?
<avsm>
may just be a simple integration. probably best to get the separate systems released first and take a look after
<whitequark>
still it would lock me into a model which I consider broken
<whitequark>
for example, in my case, it is explicitly designed to correctly handle removed data
<avsm>
companion_cube: a graph engine that can serialise to git or other formats
<avsm>
removal is simply a rebase and sync operation
<companion_cube>
"graph engine" ?
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<whitequark>
i.e. if some "commit" is missing, it's OK. if some files are missing, it's OK. in fact, you may want to explicitly delete files to, say, remove accidentally uploaded data, or even reclaim space.
<whitequark>
avsm: exactly, rebase
<whitequark>
have you ran git-filter-branch on something nontrivial?
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<avsm>
so how's that broken in a git dag?
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<avsm>
yeah, its slow because of the implementation, not the model
<Drup>
whitequark: Irmin is not "exactly git", it's "git like"
<whitequark>
it's broken because you need to reshuffle the complete tree
<whitequark>
I don't want that
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<avsm>
right, the names of the nods do change
<avsm>
*nodes
<whitequark>
other clients will rightfully reject such new, unrelated HEAD
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<whitequark>
(as a part of a mechanism that guards against replay attacks and such)
<whitequark>
even if it's partially related... a client only ever advances HEAD forward.
<avsm>
we're just considering secure-delete to be a more expensive operation
<avsm>
that'll force clients to consensus
<avsm>
to agree on a rebase
<whitequark>
terrible UI
<avsm>
after all, you dont want the same file hanging around somewhere
<whitequark>
well, secure delete in a distributed system is somewhat of a delusion anyway
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<whitequark>
actually now that I think more about it, I think I won't provide it at all. perhaps only as a way to reclaim storage space.
<whitequark>
you must assume that once it's there, it's there forever
<avsm>
we'll see which works; i see no evidence to claim either one will be a good or terrible ui
<avsm>
it hinges on the OS/app integration anyway
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<whitequark>
you're trying to make people learn the operating model of your system
<whitequark>
"rebase", "agreement", etc
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<whitequark>
I keep it as close to regular filesystem as possible at all. really, the only two departions from usual filesystem model are conflicts (can't do anything about them) and viewing history, the latter even being optional
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<avsm1>
whitequark: no, this is about 3 levels below what any user will ever see
<avsm1>
but anyway, must head off. later!
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<whitequark>
o/
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<jpdeplaix>
whitequark: what's up about my patches ?
<whitequark>
jpdeplaix: nothing so far
<jpdeplaix>
:(
<whitequark>
you could poke chapuni64 at #llvm at irc.oftc.net yourself
<jpdeplaix>
ok
<whitequark>
I do it sometimes
<jpdeplaix>
thanks
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<jpdeplaix>
whitequark: I guess he's now chapuni128 ?
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<whitequark>
jpdeplaix: duh
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<Kakadu>
when I extend default_mapper in ppx extension is it possible to map class type definition into [let ...; external ...; class type ...]?
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<whitequark>
Kakadu: yes
<whitequark>
you just need to map a structure to other structure