meh` changed the topic of #opal to: http://opalrb.org - Ruby runtime and library on top of Javascript | 1.0.0 is near | This channel is logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/opal/
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<femto> hello
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<adambeynon> femto: hi there
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<GitHub44> [lissio] jibi opened pull request #5: component/autocomplete: add local completions (master...autocomplete-static) http://git.io/bPCjiw
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<femto> hello
<adambeynon> hi femto. were you looking for any help with opal at all?
<elia> hi femto
<elia> uuid?
<elia> adambeynon, redirecting the ML to SO now in the readme
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<adambeynon> ah yeh. I think its a good call
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<elia> adambeynon, should I remove the ref to the ggroup?
<adambeynon> elia: yep. I will keep the group around, but disable new messages. have a banner message pointing towards stackoverflow then as well
<elia> good
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<GitHub109> [opal] elia pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/mEza_Q
<GitHub109> opal/master cbca29d Elia Schito: Migrate from the google group to Stack Overflow
<elia> adambeynon, you could also change to topic to say that ppl can ask on SO if no one answers here
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<GitHub48> [lissio] meh closed pull request #5: component/autocomplete: add local completions (master...autocomplete-static) http://git.io/bPCjiw
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<GitHub183> [lissio] meh pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/torKaQ
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<GitHub183> lissio/master 7cba2e9 jibi: component/autocomplete: add local completions
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<elia> meh`, thanks for the gh507 hot potato :)
<[o__o]> Making shifts with negative counts reverse the shift direction: https://github.com/opal/opal/pull/507
<ryanstout> I noticed you guys are testing with browserstack, do they offer free open source plans?
<adambeynon> ryanstout: Im not sure. meh` sorted the testing out with them. I think its usually a paid service though
<ryanstout> adambeynon: thanks
<ryanstout> does opal have StringScanner?
<elia> ryanstout, I think yes
<elia> ryanstout, yes, require 'strscan'
<adambeynon> yeap. the parser uses it (when running client side), so it should be fairly complete/functional
<ryanstout> elia: thanks
<ryanstout> adambeynon: cool
<adambeynon> ryanstout: have you ever come across batmanjs? (another dom binding type lib)
<ryanstout> yea
<ryanstout> its written in coffeescript right?
<adambeynon> yes, I think they rely on it for some dsl style things
<adambeynon> looks a lot nicer than angular, but still with a similar approach
<ryanstout> yea
<ryanstout> is it reactive or does it use diff checking?
<adambeynon> sets up observers like emberjs
<adambeynon> very influenced by cocoa
<ryanstout> thats right. I looked it a year or two ago I think
<adambeynon> just reading up on it now - saw it a while ago
<adambeynon> yeh, been around for a while
<adambeynon> trying to get a full grasp of the entire client side rendering/binding libs this evening :)
<ryanstout> yea, there's a lot of different ways to do it
<ryanstout> basically most are observers, except for angular, which just triggers a diff check whenever certain things happen
<ryanstout> and models are scoped to controllers so you only have to update the contents of a controller
<adambeynon> ryanstout: angular is the one that I find really akward to try and read
<adambeynon> not sure if its just the code samples
<adambeynon> but I would hate to write code like that
<adambeynon> (the js side of things)
<ryanstout> yea
<ryanstout> I find it funny its so popular
<ryanstout> I think the directives thing people really like
<ryanstout> also, angular and batman you have to do .set(...) and .get(...) everywhere
<ryanstout> sorry, ember and batman
<ryanstout> I mean
<adambeynon> yeah, thats the only problem.
<ryanstout> I will say, doing diff checking simplifies things internally, at the cost of performance.
<ryanstout> hence why ruby is a better language for this stuff :-)
<adambeynon> ryanstout: absolutely. combining real getters/setters in ruby with either ember/voltrb style templates or batman/angular directives seems a really great place to target
<ryanstout> yea, I think so
<ryanstout> adambeynon: what's your preference on handlebars vs custom attributes?
<ryanstout> for view logic
<adambeynon> ryanstout: Im not sure. I would be happy using either. I think custom attributes might make it easier for a middle ground - rails views using erb/haml could easily generate the templates
<adambeynon> where as handlebars/voltrb templates might be better for full client side things
<adambeynon> or a full client-server stack like you are doing
<ryanstout> yea
<ryanstout> I personally like the handlebars style, but I'm a bit worried part of the reason angular is popular is its directly in the html
<ryanstout> (even though it makes some stuff impossible, like an ng-repeat with two tr's in it, hehe)
<adambeynon> ryanstout: is there much of a performance issue with manually traversing the dom looking for these directives?
<ryanstout> on my stuff, it happens on the backend before its sent to the server
<ryanstout> so it gets cached and the rendered html+bindings are spit out
<ryanstout> I know ember has a handlebars parser thats pretty fast
<ryanstout> not sure if its faster than doing a css selector for ng- attributes though
<ryanstout> when its on the backend though, it gets cached and isn't an issue either way :-)
<meh`> ryanstout, they offer sponsorships to open source projects
<meh`> I don't know how "important" the project has to be
<meh`> since the service costs a fuckton because it actually costs a fuckton
<meh`> all those licenses
<meh`> for all the Windows and OS X machines
<meh`> ryanstout, but yeah, you can try contacting them
<ryanstout> meh`: thanks for the info, will do
<meh`> we had an "insider" that knew one of the browserstack guys, so he put a good word
<ryanstout> meh`: I have been fighting with sauce labs all day :-(
<ryanstout> adambeynon: you're adding observer stuff to vienna right?
<adambeynon> ryanstout: yep. had basic observers for a while, just been a bit slow in adding them because they aren't quite up to the level I want them to be
<adambeynon> they are basic in function: object.add_observer(:foo) { puts "foo changed" }
<adambeynon> it basically overwrites object#foo=
<ryanstout> adambeynon: I know the feeling, it took me a ton of work to get all of that stuff where I wanted it in volt
<ryanstout> I had something very similar in volt for a while
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<ryanstout> question, why is it this works sometimes but not others:
<ryanstout> if RUBY_PLATFORM != 'opal'
<ryanstout> is it that if there's a require in it, it won't work?